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    Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    The Nikon Df has been out a while now - so hopefully the dust has settled.

    As a F3, FM2, FM3A user, I was initially very attracted to this camera, but was disappointed by its high price, D600 style AF etc.

    BUT…. in the interim a very good Df can be bough for less than $2k 2nd hand…. so… I'm interested in acquiring one.

    However, before that - I would just like to know what the consensus (if any) amongst current Df users is.

    Thanks for indulging my whim……
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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    I'm biased. I still love mine.

    I shoot it mostly with manual focus lenses - either Zeiss or AI-s. Once the controls are set up properly I have no issues with any of the interlocks and I use the rear dial for 1/3 stop exposure control vs the top control. I generally also shoot in manual mode so exposure compensation dial lock isn't an issue for me either. (Plus you can get away with letting it pick exposure in AE mode anyway and have enough latitude for most images). I may be a heretic because I leave mine on ISO800 most of the time and shoot B&W. For me, it's the low light killer Nikon combo and I really bought it for the great D4 sensor in a smaller, less expensive body.

    Regarding all the retro mystique - sure, it's nice but that wasn't why I bought it.

    Are there any things I wish could be changed? Well, it would have been nice to have interchangeable focus screens for manual focus lenses. I use a DK-17M magnified finder to help with that side of things. Likewise the AF central sensor region should have been for a full frame viewfinder vs the smaller crowded AF from the D600. I think that's a shortcoming of the fusion between the D4 sensor and the inferior D600 parts bin that would improve AF coverage in the frame. Obviously with live view you do have the fine granular control of the AF point but it's a shame that it's not the same in the viewfinder.

    Image quality? I have no complaints and the high ISO performance is excellent. I don't need nor want 36mp and 16mp is just fine for my use of the camera which is predominately walk-around.

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    Wait …..I ve been considering a 2nd Nikon Df body now for a few weeks and finally decided to wait . In a few weeks it will become clear what the Nikon body line up will look like going into 2015 . Check Nikon rumors for insights into a possible new D750 body .

    The strongest feature of the Df body is the sensor from the D4. The files are just excellent . The camera is fast and responsive ..so if you shoot any action or strive for the moment …its ready . But 16mps requires that you get it right in the camera and has much less flexibility for cropping even to improve composition .

    I greatly prefer the files from the D800E and now the new D810 …with the high end manual focus lenses you are getting close to MF image quality (with of course a different aesthetic) .

    The other missing capability in the Df (if you favor AF for at least some of your work ) is the 39 focus point AF system which is inferior for action the the 51 point AF used in the D4S and the D810 . If the new D750 has the proven 24.3 Sony sensor ,the version 4 processor and the 51 point AF …we may have fully capable body with small form and lighter than the Pro D4s or even the D810 . The D610 which uses that same Sony 24.3 sensor has superb color (in lightroom ) better straight out of the camera than any of the other Nikon bodies .

    If you are still going with a Df …I have a nice black body I will be selling this week .
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    Roger, while I broadly agree with your post, especially about waiting to see how the rumoured D750 shapes up, I think that 16MP files allow for a reasonable amount of cropping to improve composition and that "getting it right in the camera" is necessary only if you intend to make larger prints. Of course having more MP allows for greater latitude in this area but for the majority of regular usage 16MP is still reasonably flexible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve P. View Post
    Roger, while I broadly agree with your post, especially about waiting to see how the rumoured D750 shapes up, I think that 16MP files allow for a reasonable amount of cropping to improve composition and that "getting it right in the camera" is necessary only if you intend to make larger prints. Of course having more MP allows for greater latitude in this area but for the majority of regular usage 16MP is still reasonably flexible.
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    But we are getting closer to having screen viewing that matches a large print . In 3 years I expect to viewing my portfolio in 4K and at that resolution it will be easy to see the difference between a 16mp file and a 36mp file . If I crop from 16mp to say 10mp .it will be an issue .

    I can already see this in my M8 and DMR files which were originally 10MP FF.

    But granted 24mp isn t that much more than 16mp and if the file is good you have plenty to work with . And of course a perfect file with a great lens …far exceeds most requirements . I ve been fortunate that my wife shoots with a D600 ….so I can compare files from the Df/D4(16mp) : the d600(24mp) and the D800E (now D810) 36mp . Each file is best for a range of subjects and they are all great by my standards .

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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    I am in Graham's camp. While the overall retro design was one of the big marketing points, they do not excite me greatly. What does excite me is the file quality: color rendering, noise character; and then the relatively small size and low weight make it easy to have in the bag or carry at all times. I find 16MP enough for most walk-around applications and for me it does allow perhaps a small amount of cropping, but like Roger I tend to try and get it all right in the cam to begin with. A note on the ergos in use -- they are surprisingly close to the D800/810 which is almost puzzling since the cameras are so totally different in design -- clever, clever Nikon!
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    After the latest D810 “white spot issue “ …I deferred my 2nd D810 and found a store display Df ….so I will now be using two Df bodies . At the price I paid I can revisit the decision later this year when the D810 is fixed and the new D750 is available .

    I need the body next week to shoot at the US Open …I had to make a decision and the Df is a nice option for that venue.
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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    I share Jack's opinion about the Df. It's my walkabout camera. I currently have it sporting a Nikon 28-105mm zoom I picked up off of eBay, but will more likely spring for a Sigma 24-105 f/4 A lens (despite it's weight - I got to try one at a local dealer and it is a rocking lens). The one thing it is really missing is an AF assist light. I picked up a Meike MK-310N flash and that helps as it strobes to act as an AF assist.
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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    Thanks for the replies gents - I think this could be an ideal walk about / travel camera - just want some more info on the D750.
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    Everyone I know who has one swears by, rather than at the Df. Strongly considering one.
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    I purchased my DF in early Dec and it's become my favorite digital camera since starting with digital in 2000. Actually I started with a scanning back before that. I currently own a D800 and it's fantastic in every way but Ive setup the camera for AIS primes and use the aperture ring and speed dial like a film camera. I even shut off the LCD. It's as close to shooting with a film camera that I've seen. It's comforting and familiar in a digital age for an old film shooter.

    I'm amazed at the high ISO. Unmatched in anything I've owned. I'm a commercial and documentary photographer and it fits well in my array of gear and needs.

    I'm sad to say that my camera crashed three weeks ago and would not respond. It's been at NPS for three weeks awaiting parts. Fortunately if needed I can get a free loaner. Despite this I'm still nuts about it and anxiously awaiting it's return. I've put about 40,000 frames on it and it was just a freak thing. This is the first problem I've heard of in a Df.
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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    My Df is used the same way with just AIS lenses for the most part. It's been good for business for several of my favorite used gear stores!

    One complaint, or rather thing that I still forget about sometimes, is that I wish I didn't have to manually select the AIS lens on the menu. It's hardly difficult and not disastrous when I forget but it would just be nice if it were simpler to do with less clicks.
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    Graham, pardon me in advance if this is a dumb question, but doesn't the DF have a programmable function button? On my D600 I have my AI-s lenses assigned to the Fn button and then it's just a press and hold while scrolling through the list of AI-s lenses (in my case a mighty THREE!) via the rear dial to select the right one. Or do you have yours assigned to other settings?

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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    Steve - yes that gets me to the menu. I'm just lazy and would like to jump directly to the lens. It's no biggie as I'd still forget to do it.

    Btw, yes if you assign non-CPU to the fn+dial option it works well and displays the lens on th info display. I think even I can manage that

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Steve - yes that gets me to the menu. I'm just lazy and would like to jump directly to the lens. It's no biggie as I'd still forget to do it.

    Btw, yes if you assign non-CPU to the fn+dial option it works well and displays the lens on th info display. I think even I can manage that

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    This is exactly what I do and I too forget at times. The only lens in my kit that has a chip is my 85 1.4D.

    I have a few very old non AI that I don't use regularly on it, use on my F, and will put my 28 3.5 and 105 Sonnar version on it for giggles. They're both superb classics. The flip down meter follower tab makes this possible. I don't think any other of the digital cameras will do this. Great feature.

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    A one day old user's perspective...

    First and foremost, I bought this more with my heart than my head. One could say the same about Leica M bodies..not the lenses.

    Takes much less volume than my D700. Is comparatively much lighter ( not in mirrorless territory ).

    A super sensor mated with a so so af. I am ok with it, but would have expected something better. Struggles in low light. Not like my XT1, but unlike the more recent Nikon offerings.

    Superb images out of the cam.

    Not much care for the exposure compensation dial. It would appear ( correct me if I am wrong ), this function cannot be assigned to a function button.

    First thing I did was to reassign the aperture control dial. I find it awkward and very unintuitive and i mostly use ' A '.

    The fit and feel with my zf lenses is heavy with a forward tilt..so they are out.
    With the 50/1.4 af-s G is very very good.

    One sd slot and in the same chamber as the small battery..could have been better
    with 2 sd slots somewhere else; but hey it is what it is.

    First impressions..something I could get on well with. Just 2 primes, and I am set.
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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    First impressions..something I could get on well with. Just 2 primes, and I am set.
    This may be the best "summary" statement for the Df -- I suspect a lot of us feel the same way... Head out with a 50 mounted and my 28 (or 20 or 85 or 105) in a bag or pocket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    The fit and feel with my zf lenses is heavy with a forward tilt..so they are out.
    With the 50/1.4 af-s G is very very good.
    I found the same issue with my Zeiss lenses too. I love them but the balance on the Df is off due to the ZF lenses feeling like they've been made from depleted uranium. I found myself navigating to the AIS lenses instead and the joys of only needing one lens cap size - 52mm!

    First impressions..something I could get on well with. Just 2 primes, and I am set.


    Df + 28/2.8 AIS, 50/1.2 AIS and 105/2.5 AIS is my typical set up. With a bag I add a 20/2.8 AIS or may just take it instead of the 28.

    It almost feels like Nikon did some optimization with these lenses, or at least the resolution of the sensor matches their characteristics since we're not pixel peeping to the n'th degree. I think that helps with the out of camera image performance - a goldilocks combination?
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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    Has anyone used the alternate 3rd party focus screens for the Df? I'm tempted to order one.

    http://www.focusingscreen.com/index....D&cPath=22_139
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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    Graham,

    I shoot mostly AF lenses now, and when I do MF, I am so used to plain GG it is almost an assumed screen type for me. However, that said, if I shot manual lenses I might consider a custom, but would want a slanted RF patch inside a microprism collar similar to old FE/FM/F3 screens... YMMV...
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    I am sloooow. In everything. I do not read manuals. I have to say each letter loud before I get to the word. So manual/s take forever for me to read.

    And I am borrrring. I get a cam, and shoot away. Just a water bottle, table lamp. Again and again and again.

    Why? Because I am sloooow; like I said before. Once I do this a few thousand times, I generally do not need the menu or the manual. Except for a very very few things like ' format ' and such like.

    So, the Df has been with me about a week. The shutter count is way past the 1000 mark..( I am sloooow; so keep file numbering continuous; nothing fancy so as not to confuse myself ).

    I bought me a 50/1.8 G; and a 85/1.8 G. But you know what?
    I prefer the look of my 50/1.4 D and the 85/1.4 D on the Df. But the 85/1.4 D is heavy. And so was the 85/1.4 G.

    But the 50/1.4 D. Seems to go with the Df.

    I feel pretty confident now that I can work this cam blindfolded ( well almost ).
    The manual controls fall just right for my hands. I pause, for a millisecond..for the exposure comp dial. But slowing me down slightly is a good thing. I am sloooow, by birth.

    The battery life? Honestly, I thought it is excellent. In trial mode, I am chimping all the time. And it has lasted more than a full day of clicking.

    I have not attached any strap to it yet. because I wanted to carry it for a long time. To assess if I could do it when I am traveling. Yes, I can.

    I love the ' damped thump ' of the shutter.

    The focus acquisition is not blazing fast..I did not expect it to be; but not lethargic by any means. In the dark, excellent.

    Am I justifying it because I bought it. To some minor degree, yes. But it is something that is growing on me..fast. And I am sloooow, as I mentioned previously.


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    Vielen Dank, Rayyan - great post - I know the feeling……
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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    I'm not sure what it is about the combo, but my 17-35/2.8 af pretty much lives on the Df body now -- for whatever reason, that combo just sings classic... And then the 105DC if I need longer. My big zooms and faster primes are relegated to the D800e and D810.
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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    Sigma sent me the 24-105mm f/4 A lens to review (coming soon). I've had it for 3 weeks now and it is amazing when combined with the Df. I don't use a neck strap, just a Gordy wrist strap and I can shoot all day with it.


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    When I had the 17-35/2.8, I used it on the D70/s, D200, D300 and the D700.

    Besides being a super optic, I found that it just balanced well on all the cams. It has ' that ' something of size and weight distribution that enamored itself to me.
    And the images it makes are super, of course.

    That with the 105DC is an excellent kit indeed. Top optics combining with a super sensor.

    Unfortunately, I have to think of weight and volume of the kit I carry.
    I do have the perfect 28/50/85-1.4 kit. Way too heavy and bulky.

    Serious considerations are being given to just the 50/1.4 D and the 85/2 ai-s.
    Just, maybe just, I might re-purchase a 55/2.8 ai-s macro. And call it a day.

    Good luck with your kit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    I'm not sure what it is about the combo, but my 17-35/2.8 af pretty much lives on the Df body now -- for whatever reason, that combo just sings classic... And then the 105DC if I need longer. My big zooms and faster primes are relegated to the D800e and D810.

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    To you too my friend; to you too.

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    Vielen Dank, Rayyan - great post - I know the feeling……

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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    Interesting comments on the 17-35, had that lens years ago but the quality of optics on this lens eluded me. Just never got the results most of you are talking about and thats even with a Dx sensor no less. On the plus side it did fit and feel good, much more so than the 24-70 I sold earlier in the year. In any case I bought the 17-35 based upon the glowing reviews it had at the time, just never saw it myself and oddly enough know others who had the same issues, go figure.

    As for the OP, have had the Df since the spring, but embarrassingly enough have hardly had the time to use it. OPW's (other peoples work) provide so little time to do any of my own personal work. Some day maybe.

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    Times move fast, would like to see some of your work again

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    I've since bought the Df and the AF-S Nikkor 58mm f/1.4G. It is a magical combination.
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    I'm pretty happy with mine. If you're using manual lenses I would totally recommend the focusingscreen dot com 'precision matte screen.' It's way more accurate than the stock. Instillation takes some time because you sort of have to calibrate it with shims but it's not at all challenging.

    I find the D750 is a better pair for my AF lenses though, even my 58mm G. The Sigma 35mm is really front heavy on the Df. If I was shooting a wedding I could probably do some great work with a Df w/ the 35 and the D750 w/ the 58. Put them on a Hold fast and shoot all day. That's actually my plan for this season's weddings! With Rolleiflex shots mixed in throughout the day of course.

    That sensor is crazy good. I'm really hoping to see a much smaller, and even simpler Df2.
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    I'm impressed by Df Color Response values. Nikon has finally proved that CMOS can record reds as accurate|better as the best CCDs. Skin tones must be truly spot-on right in the raw file.
    http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Nikon/Df---Measurements
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    Best damn low-light DSLR that works with all my lenses.
    It is my go-to travel camera and frankly the best ever for hotel-room boudoir.
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    Best damn low-light DSLR that works with all my lenses.
    It is my go-to travel camera and frankly the best ever for hotel-room boudoir.
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    That and the iPhone ... Oh, err, oops maybe that was too much information and boudoir is the tame stuff

    Seriously though I still think that my Df is a long term keeper and maybe the earlier note is correct about tweeked colour profiles because it does look different to my other Nikons and definitely the Sonys.

    The D750 does seem like Nikon got their act together in a compact higher res camera as an alternative to the D810 (the D800 equivalent of the D3s in my book - a goldilocks camera). However, with Older glass that Df sensor just sings.
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    However, with Older glass that Df sensor just sings.
    In fact, almost ANY glass and it sings... But I know what you mean about older. There is just something special to the look of the Df file when coupled to legacy glass. I think it's when the smoothness of color off this particular sensor mates with the softer contrast of legacy lenses you get an extra special look...
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    I am currently testing the Df and I am overwhelmed by the IQ I am getting out with NEF OOC. It makes obviously a huge difference which processing SW you use, I tried LR6 and C1Pro8 and the results from C1Pro8 are just stunning. Almost no PP and if needed it is easy and fast and improves somehow the IQ again. Looks really magical to me! I never achieved that even with heavy PP from the NEF files of my D800E.

    I shot the Nikkor 1.8/35 and 1.8/85 on this camera and both are very good. I think this could become my everyday camera combo easily!
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    One needs to get connected with the Df..


    else it goes nowhere.
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    I am currently testing the Df and I am overwhelmed by the IQ I am getting out with NEF OOC. It makes obviously a huge difference which processing SW you use, I tried LR6 and C1Pro8 and the results from C1Pro8 are just stunning. Almost no PP and if needed it is easy and fast and improves somehow the IQ again. Looks really magical to me! I never achieved that even with heavy PP from the NEF files of my D800E.

    I shot the Nikkor 1.8/35 and 1.8/85 on this camera and both are very good. I think this could become my everyday camera combo easily!
    Be careful, this sensor`s output is addictive. There won`t be a way back to mft or aps-c, unless it was a Foveon
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    Be careful, this sensor`s output is addictive. There won`t be a way back to mft or aps-c, unless it was a Foveon
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    Be careful, this sensor`s output is addictive. There won`t be a way back to mft or aps-c, unless it was a Foveon
    I'm not sure there's a way back to most full frame sensors either - so I'm keeping clear for now . . . for now!

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    I'm not sure there's a way back to most full frame sensors either - so I'm keeping clear for now . . . for now!
    I think I am already cought

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    I'm not sure there's a way back to most full frame sensors either - so I'm keeping clear for now . . . for now!
    Yeah, that little EM5 II has a few things going for it. But who says men should only have one camera.
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    just a little test run over a weekend...its back in the store now but I really did like the body and the IQ (the 50/1.8G showed some busy bokeh though in some images). The DF really feels straight forward for an old guy from film times.
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    I'm not sure there's a way back to most full frame sensors either - so I'm keeping clear for now . . . for now!


    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    Yeah, that little EM5 II has a few things going for it. But who says men should only have one camera.
    Who says a man only does have one camera! The Df would be in direct competition with my M kit . . . and I'm not ready to go there. At least, not now.

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    Who says a man only does have one camera! The Df would be in direct competition with my M kit . . . and I'm not ready to go there. At least, not now.
    Why not give it a try

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    Why not give it a try
    Well, good question. Image quality isn't the limiting factor in any good picture i take . . . so a better question might be "Why give it a try" or, even better, "would it help me to take better pictures" . . . I know that these questions are bizarre for a real GAS sufferer like me,

    The reason I got rid of the A7ii was that it was only really a substiture for My M240/MM, but didn't solve any of my other requirements (lightweight, long focal length). Nothing at all wrong with the camera.

    I think the Df would exist in the same area - I can see that it would make a wonderful package with a couple of good primes . . . but I already have a good FF with some good primes, for which I don't need AF. . . . and micro 43 works well with zooms and telephotos.

    Later maybe . . but I do find it particularly interesting.

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    I've only had mine a few months, but I am quite smitten - especially when coupled to either my 28mm f2.0, 50mm f1.2 or 105 f2.8 AIS lenses.

    I too have too many cameras - though I am slowly selling some off to simplify things, so I can relate to the "what role does it fill" question. I already have focal length overlap with my RX1r and my Fuji XT-1.

    But at the end of the day, life is short and just everything feels right on the Df, especially with my dad's old primes. My husband had an interesting observation (and he finds my GAS endlessly amusing) when we were traveling recently. I brought the Df and the D810 on a trip to some Utah/Nevada national parks and he commented that I was almost "affectionate" with the Df.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Well, good question. Image quality isn't the limiting factor in any good picture i take . . . so a better question might be "Why give it a try" or, even better, "would it help me to take better pictures" . . . I know that these questions are bizarre for a real GAS sufferer like me,

    The reason I got rid of the A7ii was that it was only really a substiture for My M240/MM, but didn't solve any of my other requirements (lightweight, long focal length). Nothing at all wrong with the camera.

    I think the Df would exist in the same area - I can see that it would make a wonderful package with a couple of good primes . . . but I already have a good FF with some good primes, for which I don't need AF. . . . and micro 43 works well with zooms and telephotos.

    Later maybe . . but I do find it particularly interesting.
    These arguments make sense! Especially weight/size wise you will not get any advantage over m43.

    For me the temptation of the Df is the excellent IQ (which of course you also get from the M240) plus the AF capabilities in FF plus NO EVF. Yes your hear right - I think one EVF camera (EM!) is enough for me. So the Df seems to be the perfect package. But this is definitely a different story than yours :-)

    BUT - try to hold/operate it for a while - for me that brought the special click and now I am kind of hooked - I am knw you understand this
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Well, good question. Image quality isn't the limiting factor in any good picture i take . . . so a better question might be "Why give it a try" or, even better, "would it help me to take better pictures" . . . I know that these questions are bizarre for a real GAS sufferer like me,

    The reason I got rid of the A7ii was that it was only really a substiture for My M240/MM, but didn't solve any of my other requirements (lightweight, long focal length). Nothing at all wrong with the camera.

    I think the Df would exist in the same area - I can see that it would make a wonderful package with a couple of good primes . . . but I already have a good FF with some good primes, for which I don't need AF. . . . and micro 43 works well with zooms and telephotos.

    Later maybe . . but I do find it particularly interesting.
    Differences between DF and M I see are mainly
    -AF (which can be an advantage for kids etc), and
    -when using lenses longer than 75mm rangefinder focusing gets difficult
    -DF has more flexibility in the higher ISO range
    - The exp metering of the DF is better IMO

    But I agree that there are many similarities between the DF+primes vs the M.
    And if one is used the quality of M lenses...
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    I’m working with my Df since one and a half year now and I love this camera.
    One of the strength of the Df is that the pictures made with old lenses look beautiful, there is some magic in the files it produces.
    I use my old 50mm lenses a lot, my favorite is the Nikkor-S Auto 1,4 which I think was manufactured in the early sixties.






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    Re: Nikon Df - current user consensus?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    For me the temptation of the Df is the excellent IQ (which of course you also get from the M240) plus the AF capabilities in FF plus NO EVF. Yes your hear right - I think one EVF camera (EM!) is enough for me. So the Df seems to be the perfect package. But this is definitely a different story than yours :-)
    HI Peter
    Quite agree that one EVF camera is enough . . . but I only ever put the EVF on the M if I want to do macro . . . . so µ43 and M ought to be the perfect combination. . . . . but like Tom, I also have a soft spot for the T - lovely lenses and interesting and satisfying interface . . but missing IBIS and speed.

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