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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Since another thread on the forum is quesioning how alike are the D3 and D300 I thought I would repost some of the images I took with both. The lens used on the D3 was the 28-70 and on the D300 was the 17-35/ Basically processed using the ACR defaults with identical and slight sharpening on each image.

    Not great images but hopefully good enough for those evaluating the Nikons to get a feel.

    Best

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    by the way I have others if you need more to see.

    The top image is with the D3 and the bottom with the D300

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Illustrative. And convincing ! Thanks Woody.
    And yes, I'm sure those who haven't made up their minds yet would love to see more comparisons, maybe even with actual pixel crops. Just along the road if you yourself feel like comparing. No obligations. Let's just have fun illustrating this thread. Join the party folks.
    rgds Steen

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    you guys are making me want to dump my canon gear---with the nikon i would at least know where the buttons are.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Fulton, I have uploaded my own sample pictures from this thread to a web page: "bondo dot be" where you can see full res versions of the pictures. If you want to play with a couple of RAW files and if you have a converter that can read D300 .NEF files, just send me a PM or an email and I will send the files to you with "yousendit dot com". rgds Steen

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    From inside Hagia Sophia (turkish: Ayasofya), Anno Domini ~535. D300 + 18-70mm.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Cropped high res mosaic: GetSPI

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    and an even further crop with actual pixels
    (full res has been uploaded)

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Shot with the D3 and 70-200 zoom. Handheld at 1/20th f/8, ISO 100. Did some PP on these... curves, saturation, sharpening but it was getting dark and the AF works like a champ. Just realized the crop is from a different shot... but you get the idea
    Last edited by David K; 31st January 2008 at 16:50. Reason: Inserted wrong crop.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Whoa, David. Great captures, nice lighting.
    And "70-200mm zoom, handheld at 1/20th" ... you have a steady hand, Sir. Impressive.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Bosporus
    D300 w. ZF 1.4/50mm at f/8

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    and an actual pixel crop: the BIG APPLE

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Shot with the D3 and 70-200 zoom. Handheld at 1/20th f/8, ISO 100. Did some PP on these... curves, saturation, sharpening but it was getting dark and the AF works like a champ. Just realized the crop is from a different shot... but you get the idea
    Hey David

    Great stuff. Was this a shoot at Dale Labs with David and Andre? I am so envious that you can hold the camera still with the very large 70-200 2.8, even with VR. I love that lens but it is almost always used on my tripod

    woody

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Hi there Woody,
    The shoot was in a model home up here in Jupiter together with Andre and his lovely model Stephanie. Really no big deal to have a slow shutter speed when you're using strobes because they freeze the action... or at least that's how I think it works. I'm really starting to trust the D3 to get the job done. It may not offer some of the advantages of the Leicas or a MFDB, but for these kind of shots with low ambient light the only way I can focus with those other systems is to have someone shine a flashlight in the model's eyes so I can see whether I'm in focus. I've done just that on a number of occasions but it really kills any kind of rhythm you might hope to get from the model. Using the right tool for the right job is really what it's all about.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    I spotted grandma heading for the market

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    followed her

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    and sneaked to snap this one
    even a bulky DSLR can be used for a candid street shot if you rely on the autofocus and don't put the camera in front of your face, only maybe it needs some serious rotation and cropping ... or maybe not

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    some actual pixels

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    bondo,
    Some nice shots there... I'd love to see those last few in B&W.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Thanks David, I actually thought about that myself, especially after having seen your excellent conversions.
    Only I am such an ignorant jerk with postprocessing, so how about it if I send you the last couple of NEF files with yousendit dot com and you play with it and post your preferred method result, and afterwards you tell me what you consider the best black and white conversion strategy for these NEF files ?
    There are so many ways it can be done, and stages when it can be done. Right at the moment I don't have the time for countless blind trial and error attempts. I need someone to teach me a good strategy.

    (And btw I am waiting for 'Joey' to rescue me - do you feel the pressure, Lars ? )

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    Here's my conversion on two of the images but they come with a disclaimer. I am far from an expert at B&W conversion. Honestly I just fiddle to taste with levels, curves and a bit of dodge and burn. I let Alien Skin Exposure do the initial conversion (here T-Max 100) and then play around with it. Jack, on the other hand, is very good with B&W conversions, and if you can get his input it is well worth having.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Thanks a lot David, very nice. And inspiring.
    Here's my attempt.
    As usual I do everything in the RAW converter if possible, and I think that is usually possible with the excellent but very memory consuming Nikon software. Here Nikon NX.
    (1) Remove the checkmark from Base Adjustments >> RAW Adjustments >> Auto Color Aberration
    (2) Remove the checkmark from Base Adjustments >> Detail Adjustments >> Noise Reduction
    (3) Crop
    (4) Filter >> Black and White Conversion >>
    Filter Hue = 30 degrees | Color Filter Strength = 40 % | Brightness = 10 | Contrast = 5 | >> OK
    (5) Adjust >> Levels & Curves >> hit the Auto Contrast button >> OK
    (6) Adjust >> Focus >> Unsharp Mask >>
    Intensity = 20 % | Radius = 3 % | Threshold = 1 | >> OK
    (7) Save as jpeg
    It could be done in so many different ways, and I wouldn't know which are the better ones

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Quote Originally Posted by bondo View Post
    I spotted grandma heading for the market
    Steen

    What an absolutely wonderful shot.

    Woody

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Thanks Woody, yeah one has to love that brave little lady
    While I was at it I sneaked to take a couple more candids in the street.
    Autofocus, shot from the chest or from the hip, long distance and heavily cropped afterwards.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    This old female dog with the white beard is a wild dog, she doesn't really belong anywhere. She just visits some nice homes to get something to eat, and maybe take a nap in front of the fireplace before she walks on.
    She is the most stoic dog I have ever met, she rarely barks, rarely does anything else than just lie or sit, starring like a sphinx. In other words she was the perfect victim for my portrait exercises with my ZF 1.4/85mm manual focus lens .-)
    And believe me, Ray is right. It ain't easy to reliably manual focus this focal length on a short distance with the built in D300 matte screen. After all the D300 viewfinder isn't optimized for manual focus. Nine out of ten could be trashed immediately.
    Then again I'm an old dog too, and my eyes certainly aren't what they used to be. Here is a f/4 keeper at 1/200 sec.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    And a 75 % crop (in order to see a little of the dog and not just some fur)

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    This one is stopped down to f/5.6

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    And again something like a ~75 % crop

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    and while we are at it, a kennel and its owner
    seen from a roof
    D300 & ZF 1.4/50mm

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    three 100 % details to peep the file characteristics

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    The headquarter asked me to send their greetings to you.
    For some reason they seemed to know you all ... ?

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    Hey Jack

    Two days ago I would have agreed with you but having shot many D3 images in the past two days since I received it I would say the D3 files are slightly better. Both cameras need some sharpening for sure but both hold up very well with the sharpening. Still hard for me to imagine carrying the D3 on my shoulder all day (I will use it primarily for landscapes) but the D300 with the 40mm Voightlander 2.0 is small, lightweight and sweet. I am anxious to try the Zeiss 50 1.4 as well.

    Woody
    Great to hear these good things about the D3. I ordered mine a month ago and should get it in March

    Looking forward to be able to use all my Nikon glass again on FF

    I have waited for this the last 10 years or so

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    Peter

    I predict you will love it. The files are great (if a little soft out of camera) but I also predict that after experimentation you will bias towards the Capture Nx software in spite of the fact that it is slow and cumbersome. But it produces the best colors and uses the EXIF data to real advantage. I have become a Lightroom fanatic for all other work but when I have that special image that needs work prior to printing, if it came from a Nikon body it will be processes with NX! YMMV

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Just fiddling around with the D3 and 14-24 to get an idea of how the colors render. Not bad...

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    - talk about understatement
    Nice !!


    btw, Dave Black has these articles up about D3 & D300

    "New Nikon D3", November 2007
    http://www.daveblackphotography.com/...op/11-2007.htm

    "D3 Questions, Answers and Images", December 2007
    http://www.daveblackphotography.com/...op/12-2007.htm

    "The Nikon D300", February 2008
    http://www.daveblackphotography.com/...op/02-2008.htm

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    This framing is not so good, I had to step to the left to avoid the sun reflecting and blowing out the golden text field, but it doesn't really matter to our purpose here. The textures on the surfaces still make good illustrations as for details in the D300 image file. Here with the ZF 2/50mm.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    It is a part of Ayasofya, as far as i remember
    3 crops, actual pixels

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Sort of a windy, rainy day down here but I stopped by the beach and grabbed this shot. Not quite as sharp as I'd like but the wings almost appear to glow on the original shot (hope you can see it here). The Leica glow from a Nikon D3 and 70-200 zoom... who would have thunk it

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    Another from the beach... for texture and color.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    David, thanks for posting that last one. I'm trying to get an impression of the colors and textures from others who have shot with the DMR and Leica and Zeiss glass. Some of the images I've seen on the various forums seem very cool and clinical. The last shot that you've shown definitely has some mojo. What are your overall impressions of the D3 files? Thanks.

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    Well you guys are going to have to put up with me experimenting with photos from a D3 now. After PMA, I was just floored by the files and high ISO performance of the D3. I got to use one for a while in Vegas, came home, sold the D300, and received my new D3 today.

    Batteries are charged, menus are set how I like them, LOOK OUT TOMORROW.

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    Kurt,
    I was going to say that's the million dollar question... but it's probably closer to $10k. The short answer is I like them a lot. Shooting in RAW, they need work... levels, curves, and aggressive sharpening for sure. The longer answer, to a question you really didn't ask, is that I love the camera and the three zoom lenses I have (14-24. 24-70, 70-200). Once you get the camera set to where you want it, (no small task with the endless menu options), it really delivers the goods. The AF is superb and the low light capabilities are second to none. The auto exposure is as good as anything I've ever used and better than most. Back to the files. Not to sound cute, but they are great until you compare them to something better. I shot a similar subject yesterday with the D3 and today with the Aptus back and they are not in the same league... not even in the same universe. Truthfully, I think both the Leica DMR and M8 files are better but the Nikon is the better camera (at least for me). I'm able to get consistently sharp keepers in low light situations where I wouldn't even have tried the shot with my Leica gear. I've been printing a lot of 18x24 posters lately from the D3 files and they look great. If you want some RAW files to play with let me know and I'll send them to you. I think I still owe you some ZD files too

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    Ray,
    Looking forward to seeing some images from you and I'd love to hear how you've set your menus.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    David, thanks for the reply. I'm trying to consider all of the options available with a DSLR as a compliment to the M8 including waiting for the potential R10. In the meanwhile, it certainly would be nice to shoot some long glass again.

    Kurt

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    David, thanks for the reply. I'm trying to consider all of the options available with a DSLR as a compliment to the M8 including waiting for the potential R10. In the meanwhile, it certainly would be nice to shoot some long glass again.

    Kurt
    And to think Kurt that at one time you had more long Leica R glass than anyone on the planet. You must feel a little naked without them. If you remember I almost bought them but the accountant in my life (wife) went nuts and of course she was right. I don't make money with this endeavor, just have fun.

    be well

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Woody and Kurt,
    Funny thing is that Kurt's long glass wound up down here in Florida with a neighbor of mine, Roger. If there were a demographic of "most Leica long lenses per capita" we'd probably be near the top of the list. Roger is doing some amazing work with that glass shooting kiteboarders. Perhaps he'd be kind enough to share some of those images with us here. I'll ask him next time we meet.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    The ZF 1.4/85mm isn't exactly a macro lens, but it was what I had on the D300 when I spotted this Mandrake Root (lat.: Mandragora). There are a lot of strange myths about this plant. I had to photograph the beautiful yellow "knobs", stamens (?) or whatever they are called in english. Not my native language as you may have noticed

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    crop, actual pixels

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Woody and Kurt,
    Funny thing is that Kurt's long glass wound up down here in Florida with a neighbor of mine, Roger. If there were a demographic of "most Leica long lenses per capita" we'd probably be near the top of the list. Roger is doing some amazing work with that glass shooting kiteboarders. Perhaps he'd be kind enough to share some of those images with us here. I'll ask him next time we meet.
    David

    I know Roger well as we were together on the Leica trip to Germany this summer with his lovely wife. He certainly has lots of wonderful glass including my old Zeiss 28 2.0 Hollywood. And a nicer man is hard to find. I hope too that he will post some of the APO/Telyt work he is doing.

    Woody

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    I have been shooting so much ....my editing and processing is way behind. Sound familiar? I received my D3 and the same 3 zooms that David has last Thursday. So I set out to do 3 days of shooting and see what I could come up with. The goal ...shoot what I know ...no test targets just the same stuff I have been shooting with my Leicas. I will attach a few ...but I came up with 16 images out of 190 that are representative. If you can remember Nikon verse Leica on kodachrome ..its the same right out of the box...at least in Lightroom. The Leica lenses have a richness of color and an ability to separate the tones that is unmatched. The nikkors are every bit as sharp and IMHO for zoom lenses just amazing . The big difference was when I worked hard on the raw conversions(lightroom) the nikon images can be made to almost match the leica images (especially in print). Things I expected....super fast handling.. a pro point and shoot. High Iso just amazing ..you can shoot at midnight. Things I didn t expect(good). The new lenses are silent..I had to check to see if the autofocus was on. The shutter is very reasonable. I didn t see anyone flinch when I was street shooting. Its big but I forgot it in a few minutes .Things I didn t expect (bad)....I forgot full frame has a narrow depth of field. Shooting at 1/2 stop down f3.2 with a 24-70 you have to really watch the exact focus point. The very high resolution makes it easy to see the focus plane..maybe too easy. .Overall it will not replace my M8 or the DMR but now I can shoot action without trying so hard. Ok lets see if I can attach a few . And yes it is 75 and Sunny in Jupiter.

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    Re: D3/D300 illustrated

    Emerald Bay at Lake Tahoe yesterday. D300 w/Sigma 10-20mm at 10mm, f/8. Heavily salted in post:


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