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    Nikon D500 is on the way

    B&H emailed me yesterday. This camera will simply be a tool for some jobs such as sports and wildlife
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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    The D500 will aid in images like this
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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    Congrats. Be sure to post your thoughts and images!
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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    This camera actually looks very good

    Youtube ISO 51K:



    Very impressive

    This could be a game changer for bird photographers - where a DX body is very handy since the crop factor acts like a virtual tele-extender.

    Have fun and post some images asap....


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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    I'll be able to take it out mid next week.
    The advantage of this camera for bird photography is indeed the 1.5 crop factor, and the disadvantage will be the relatively small sensor size when compared with the D810.
    The trade off will be acceptable to me if the camera's focus ability is fast and if the focus can track the the subject.
    I'll report my impressions
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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    I took out the D500 today with the 200-500mm lens attached which afforded me 750mm on the long end.
    I discovered last week that the 200-500mm lens doesn't focus quickly enough with a 1.4 extender to capture birds in flight so using the lens with my D810 limited my range to 500mm.
    Other long lenses such as the 500mm f4 does focus quickly enough with a 1.4 extender but the lens is heavy and difficult for me to hand hold for extended periods of time. Therefore not a pleasurable experience while photographing birds in flight.
    For the record my success rate of images in focus (when subjects are moving erratically) is much lower while photographing on a tripod than hand holding a camera
    Therefore the D500 which does focus quickly and does track sufficiently and does capture 10 FPS and does handle a burst of 200 images at a time is a reasonable choice for wildlife and sports photography.
    However to be perfectly honest, the reduced file size of the D500 versus the D810 does not compare favorably in photoshop when processing the images! In addition the prints must be smaller in size due to the lower resolution of the 20 megapixel chip
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    Well I took the plunge and ordered a D500...... not something I usually do.... I really like to get the feel of a camera body before buying..... but...... the D500 is just too tempting.

    Looking forward.......

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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    I am enjoying the crop factor, fast focus and the fps. I do miss the megapixels of my D 810, but this camera is definitely the best tool for some jobs.
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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    Quote Originally Posted by stngoldberg View Post
    I am enjoying the crop factor, fast focus and the fps. I do miss the megapixels of my D 810, but this camera is definitely the best tool for some jobs.
    Stanley
    This is definitely not the camera one should buy if MP count is the top priority!

    But otherwise it must be a beast!

    WRT MP count - I am working since years with 36MP D810 (D800E) and 16MP Df and Olympus EM1. I cannot say that I am usually missing anything by the reduces count of MP!

    So I do not quite understand your complaints

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    No complaints.... just stating fact...when I print big with D500, I can see the lack of megapixels

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    Well I got my D500 today - quite happy so far - best DX body I've used so far.
    Hope to get some pix over the long WE.
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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    Some D500 early testing:




    Testing autofocus settings very humble 18-105, the disposable zoom



    Bluebells are a difficult colour for both digital and film, the auto white balance is not getting much mention but I find it very good indeed an advance on the D3 for me.



    24mm f2.8D Nikkor, out of camera jpeg with tweaked B/W picture control no further work other than square crop.



    @51,200 1/200th f11
    some NX-D sliders for noise and sharpening on NEF but I'm no expert, never used it before, but figured this early they would have best inside processing track.
    Posted in fun thread with link to full file and Exif, another good example of untouched auto white balance.
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    This little camera rocks.....



    Nikon D500, Nikkor 300mm F4.0 PF, Nikkor TC 14E.

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    A little more fun with the new D500......







    A little sumting out of nutting

    Nikon D500, Tamron 95mm Macro
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    Good review on the D500...



    This camera is a game changer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swissblad View Post

    Good review on the D500 (...)

    Thanks, Swiss

    In the video at around 7:10 Chris Niccolls from The Camera Store says that the shutter sound is rather noisy (maybe just because a deer heard it).

    How do you (and others) judge the shutter sound at normal settings, e.g. compared to your D800 (or other Nikon DSLRs) ?
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    I actually haven't noticed it to be loud..... but then again .... I'm really used to the D700.

    We were photographing birds last weekend .... and it wasn't a drawback.

    I should say that the D500 with the 300mm f4.0 PF make a dream team for this task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swissblad View Post

    (...) I should say that the D500 with the 300mm f4.0 PF make a dream team for this task.


    Good to hear, I do have the - now let me see, what was the name - Nikon AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR N - or something like that .-)

    Indeed a sweet little optic
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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    I've been photographing birds ( sometimes only yards away), and as far as I can tell the shutter noise isn't disturbing them.
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    Ditto - tried it again this week - no issue - positively quiet when compared to the D700.

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    Nikon D500 is on the way


    Nikon D500 -- a splendid Video Review from the perspective of a wildlife photographer -- by Steve Perry

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ComP...ature=youtu.be


    plus a supplement page with lots of additional information

    http://www.backcountrygallery.com/ph...n-d500-review/


    highly recommended
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    Congratulations Swissblad.

    Enjoy and share images with us.

    Best wishes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swissblad View Post
    Well I got my D500 today - quite happy so far - best DX body I've used so far.
    Hope to get some pix over the long WE.
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    Thanks Rayyan - some more pix posted in Fun with Nikon thread......



    All we need now is some good weather and time off.....
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    Very nice. Enjoy.
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    Nikon D500 is on the way


    Quote Originally Posted by Swissblad View Post

    (...) I should say that the D500 with the 300mm f4.0 PF make a dream team (...)



    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post

    Good to hear, I do have the - now let me see, what was the name - Nikon AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR N - or something like that .-)

    Indeed a sweet little optic

    and now combined with 'the right camera'
    at least until the FX versions of the new generation compact pro DSLRs are released
    think D700 / D750 successor, and D810 successor - (depending on 'speed vs resolution' and 'AA filter' preferences)



    ©lick for actual pixels


    © • Nikon D500 • AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR • 1/800 sec. at f/4 ISO 800 • Capture One Pro
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    Nice, Steen!
    Hope you have a lot of fun.
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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    I don't know if a review is even needed for this masterpiece of a camera, but here's one from a trusted source:

    https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-d500

    There are some nice photos there too, for those of you who aren't interested in cameras
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    Nikon D500 + AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR



    ©lick for actual pixels


    © • Nikon D500 • AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR • 1/1600 sec. at f/4 ISO 200 • Capture NX-D
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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    The para surfers were probably a mile away
    The D500 with the 200-500mm lens with the 1.4 extender at f8, 1,2500 sec, iso at 1000
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    Re: Nikon D500 + AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post

    ©lick for actual pixels


    © • Nikon D500 • AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR • 1/1600 sec. at f/4 ISO 200 • Capture NX-D
    Steen,

    congratulations on this marvelous camera and lens, just a very perfect approach for wildlife and anything requiring fast and precise AF.

    Looking for more pictures

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    What Nikon is the D500 supposed to replace? $1999 seems pretty high for not being full frame

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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    What Nikon is the D500 supposed to replace? $1999 seems pretty high for not being full frame
    It replaces the D300/D300s. The price is very close to what those cameras were at launch, and less than a third of what the D2Xs, not full frame either, was 10 years ago. This is a camera that "outshoots" any current Nikon model except the D5 when used for sports and action. In addition it offers 50% more reach than the D5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    What Nikon is the D500 supposed to replace? $1999 seems pretty high for not being full frame
    A D5, $6,496.95 seems pretty high for full frame with the same SOTA autofocus

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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisLivsey View Post
    A D5, $6,496.95 seems pretty high for full frame with the same SOTA autofocus
    It's important to realise that the high price of the D5 is not so much due to the larger sensor. The D2X was relatively speaking more expensive than any of the FX models that followed it except for the D3X, which was rather exotic technology when it was launched. There are other factors that contribute to the higher price as well:

    - A larger, more complicated and stronger body
    - More physical buttons and switches
    - Much lower production numbers
    - Electronics that to a certain degree is made for the "one digit" model only
    - Production in Japan instead of Thailand
    - A much more expensive battery and charger made in much smaller numbers too

    If I were a still sports shooter, I would have preferred the D500 sensor in the D5 body, a camera similar to the D2X, to be able to use smaller, lighter telephoto lenses. While the absurd high ISO capabilities of the D5 are great, and sometimes even needed, lighter gear would extend the time I would be able or willing to carry my gear. That extra time is sometimes more important than being able to shoot beyond darkness.

    Also, the crop factor would often give me an extra aperture stop, compensating for some of the high ISO deficiency of the D500. A 200 mm f/2 becomes the equivalent of a 300 mm f/2, while with a D5, I would have to use a 300mm f/2.8 to get the same reach. Same thing with 400 mm f/2.8 vs. 600 mm f/4, and with zoom lenses, the difference is often even more radical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    It's important to realise that the high price of the D5 is not so much due to the larger sensor.
    You make very valid points.
    I have "moved" (not moved I still own it) from the D3 to the D500, the D2H is retired.
    Yes I miss the single digit feel, the D500 good as it is, and it is very good, is still not a single digit body. They have a je ne sais quoi and for all the reasons you quote I would have it except for my applications the D500, with the same autofocus as I said, would allow me to own two bodies with change. I don't rant against the pricing model, it is what it is, primarily the relatively small market for the flagship but it does have its disadvantages primarily of bulk and weight, after cost. Despite their similarities the D5 and D500 are different market segments and I don't see why, to revert to the question, why it needs to be perceived as replacing anything.
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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    The D5 is simply a FF Pro body of 2016 - this is that simple. Price and function and haptic result from this.

    The D500 is a very capable attempt from Nikon to stay relevant in the high end APSC sports/action/wildlife market. And they had done a great job with that.

    For me the D5 is simply too big, heavy and also expensive, given the fact that in 2 years from now a new model will replace it. Too much waste of money for what I do and need.

    The D500 is in a high price range and much better suited for my sports/action and wildlife ambitions. And costs a fraction of the D5. This makes decisions pretty simple.

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    Nikon D500 + AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR


    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post

    Steen,
    congratulations on this marvelous camera and lens, just a very perfect approach for wildlife and anything requiring fast and precise AF.
    Looking for more pictures
    Peter

    Thanks a lot, Peter
    The D500 works quite nicely in combination with the AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF, that I already had.
    For some reason my D610 didn't work all that well with the 300mm tele, the results usually seemed a bit blurry.
    So my considerations were, should I sell off the 300mm lens or should I try it in combination with another body.
    And in that case which camera body ?

    Would it make any difference to switch to the D750 which is supposed to have a superior autofocus performance compared to the D610 ?
    Or would I be better off switching to the new D500 without a blurring filter and with higher pixel density ?
    I ended up selling the D610 in order to partially fund the D500 purchase, and fortunately this new camera works very well with the tele lens as well as with my macro lens (a Carl Zeiss Makro-Planar 100mm f/2).

    So - to answer Doug's question - in my case the new APS-C sensor based D500 replaced my old 24x36mm sensor based D610.
    Weird ? To some extent, yes. And I need to admit that I already miss having a 'full-frame' camera along with my new D500 APS-C camera. The DX camera for tele and macro, and an FX camera for everything else.
    Hopefully I can afford the D700 / D750 successor when it is released at some point next year or so.
    (By the way, I agree that the price level seems rather hefty for the D500 as an APS-C camera, though I believe that Jorgen is right that sensor size actually doesn't need to matter all that much pricewise).

    Here's another D500 + 300mm shot, the picture shown here is a 100 % crop, but if you click on it you can see the entire frame.
    The bird is a juvenile Common Redstart (Phoenicurus phoenicurus).
    It illustrates that 300mm is basically too short for bird photography, but the 300mm tele was all I could afford among the tele primes.
    For the wildlife purpose the perceived extra 'reach' of the APS-C sensor helps to some extent.



    A 100 % crop -- ©lick to get the entire frame


    © • Nikon D500 • AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR • 1/1250 sec. at f/4 ISO 100 • Capture NX-D
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    My Sentiments echo those of Steen - the D500 is a terrific dx camera - and coupled with the lightweight 300mm PF Lens, has become our take everywhere P&S combination.
    It has also breathed new life into our Tamron 90mm Macro.......
    For wide angle Landscape of architectural work - the best Option remains an FX Body.

    And... Great as it is... The D500 cannot compare with a D5!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post

    (...) congratulations on this marvelous camera and lens, just a very perfect approach for wildlife and anything requiring fast and precise AF (...)

    Peter, before you or anybody else rush out and buy this lens I want to add that I personally think that perhaps the AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR lacks a bit of contrast.
    At least with this lens I now and then find myself adding a tad of contrast in post processing (just about 10 %), something I cannot remember having done before.
    Just to keep in mind if considering buying the 300mm (or even better: try it before you buy it).
    Don't get me wrong, I like the lens a lot now that it works well for me, I just wanted to share this perceived detail with the rest of you.

    @ Swissblad:
    Swiss, have you noticed a slight lack of contrast with the 300mm f/4E PF, or is it just me imagining things, or is it perhaps simply a common thing with tele lenses ?

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    Re: Nikon D500 + AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post



    Peter, before you or anybody else rush out and buy this lens I want to add that I personally think that perhaps the AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR lacks a bit of contrast.
    At least with this lens I now and then find myself adding a tad of contrast in post processing (just about 10 %), something I cannot remember having done before.
    Just to keep in mind if considering buying the 300mm (or even better: try it before you buy it).
    Don't get me wrong, I like the lens a lot now that it works well for me, I just wanted to share this perceived detail with the rest of you.

    @ Swissblad:
    Swiss, have you noticed a slight lack of contrast with the 300mm f/4E PF, or is it just me imagining things, or is it perhaps simply a common thing with tele lenses ?
    Many thanks Steen for this update!

    My next Nikkor lens will anyway be a zoom for wildlife - either the 200-500 to the 80-400, which is IMHO the more practical choice anyway.

    Only then I would go for a fixed focal length and then the 300mm f/4E PF is high on my wish list.

    Enjoy your new camera!

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    Nikon D500 + a tele

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    (...)
    My next Nikkor lens will anyway be a zoom for wildlife - either the 200-500 to the 80-400, which is IMHO the more practical choice anyway.
    Only then I would go for a fixed focal length and then the 300mm f/4E PF is high on my wish list.
    (...)

    Steve Perry has made this new video that compares and reviews the AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4 PF and the AF-S Nikkor 200-500mm f/5.6

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1obqCxg52Q
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    Re: Nikon D500 + AF-S Nikkor 300mm f/4E PF ED VR

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post



    @ Swissblad:
    Swiss, have you noticed a slight lack of contrast with the 300mm f/4E PF, or is it just me imagining things, or is it perhaps simply a common thing with tele lenses ?
    Hi Sten

    no - we have no similar experience. We have found this lens to be super sharp and have great contrast / colours.

    Indeed, coupled to the D500 - the 300mmPF , usually in combination with the TC14EIII, has become our favourite rig for birding etc.

    We used it extensively on our trip through Lapland, Nord Norge etc



    Waxwing portrait, Rondane NP, Norway.



    Elk at dusk, 6400ISO on a crop factor body.....!

    It is also ideal for spontaneous landscapes......



    2 photo stitch, Ronda NP

    As well as for insect portraits....



    HTH, S
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    Re: Nikon D500 is on the way

    One more image with the D500, Nikkor 300mm PF and TC14EIII combo...

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    Concerning the 300mm PF issue.....

    this is pretty much SOC......



    Colour and contact seem OK to me....?
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    Nikon D500 is on the way


    yes, indeed

    and I like the bokeh, it has a very painterly rendering of the background

    thank you, Swissblad
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    As an absolute fan of this camera, I was very pleased to see it voted camera of the year by CamerastoreTV



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