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    D800, totally silly?

    My pusher has a D800 with MB-D12, 11,000 clicks and mint condition, for $800. Is that totally silly or should I grab it?

    They also have a D850 for $2,200, 35,000 clicks and no grip. I would probably have preferred that one, but the D800 I can actually afford without eating porridge for the next 12 months.

    Opinions? Does the D800 stay its ground even after seven long years?

    Oh, and I actually have cards for the D800, a couple of fast 64GB CF cards. An XZQ%&D card would add $150 to the price of the D850.

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    I had an 800 and while I was blown away at the time, the 810 was what the 800 should have been.
    OTOH, there was nothing basically wrong with the 800 as long as you didn’t have the left side oof problems.
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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    I had an 800 and while I was blown away at the time, the 810 was what the 800 should have been.
    OTOH, there was nothing basically wrong with the 800 as long as you didn’t have the left side oof problems.
    I had the D810, and was very happy with it. Sold it to save some money. The D810 is still very popular, so they sell fast at higher prices. Also, this time around, it will not be my main camera (I think), since I'm keeping all my MFT gear.

    I get a feeling that the D800 has become the Prügelknabe of the D8xx family. But at $800 with the grip and as new, I can't really go wrong, can I? Unless I try to sell it again that is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I get a feeling that the D800 has become the Prügelknabe of the D8xx family. But at $800 with the grip and as new, I can't really go wrong, can I? Unless I try to sell it again that is...
    Hi Jorgen,

    I love the D800 (actually the D800E).
    In fact, I own three of them, one for each eye.

    What the heck is a Prügelknabe?

    - Leigh

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leigh View Post
    Hi Jorgen,

    I love the D800 (actually the D800E).
    In fact, I own three of them, one for each eye.

    What the heck is a Prügelknabe?

    - Leigh
    Prügelknape, or whipping boy:
    "A whipping boy was, supposedly, a boy educated alongside a prince (or boy monarch) in early modern Europe, who received corporal punishment for the prince's transgressions in his presence. The prince was not punished himself because his royal status exceeded that of his tutor; seeing a friend punished would provide an equivalent motivation not to repeat the offence."

    And I bought the camera

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Prügelknape, or whipping boy:
    "A whipping boy was, supposedly, a boy educated alongside a prince (or boy monarch) in early modern Europe, who received corporal punishment for the prince's transgressions in his presence. The prince was not punished himself because his royal status exceeded that of his tutor; seeing a friend punished would provide an equivalent motivation not to repeat the offence."

    And I bought the camera
    Welcome back in Nikon land, Jřrgen!
    I was about to suggest the Df, but I guess its hard to get that at that price, and perhaps 16Mp is too small to crop and so..

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    I owned both the D800 and D850. The D800 imo, was the better camera for my style of shooting. Actually, it's probably the best DSLR I've ever owned. It has the best dynamic range of any camera, imo. The D850 offers more resolution, but only on paper as I never noticed a difference. 36 mp is absolutely the sweet spot for most Nikkor lenses and that's a great price too. Get it and if not satisfied, you could probably sell for your initial cost.
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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    D800 with Nikkor 300mm f/4 AF @ f/5.6



    The only lens that I have available is this 300mm AF non-D that I bought for $600 15 years ago. Perfect for street photography on a rainy day if you ask me

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    It was called the Land of Smiles. That was before our western culture entered and convinced people that they had to get an education, work in offices and make a career.

    D800 with Nikkor 300mm f/4 AF @ f/5.6

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    Welcome back in Nikon land, Jřrgen!
    I was about to suggest the Df, but I guess its hard to get that at that price, and perhaps 16Mp is too small to crop and so..
    I wanted a Df, but they sell for at least 50% more and are generally difficult to find here. Also, I have now gotten rid of the dilemma surrounding my good CF-cards; should I sell them for a dime a piece or not?

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    Hi Jorgen,

    from what I read throughout the thread I am not sure if you finally bought that D800. I owned the D800E years ago and was not happy at all - too many issues!

    I got the D810 and was very happy with it but finally sold it as I completely went out of any DSLR stuff of any vendor some 3 years ago.

    I would have got a Z6 kit for a good price if I would go FF Nikon again, there are some great offers here in Austria at least.

    Anyway if you moved the D800 route I wish you much fun and happy shooting if this is the right stuff for you. For me it is definitely no longer.

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Hi Jorgen,

    from what I read throughout the thread I am not sure if you finally bought that D800. I owned the D800E years ago and was not happy at all - too many issues!

    I got the D810 and was very happy with it but finally sold it as I completely went out of any DSLR stuff of any vendor some 3 years ago.

    I would have got a Z6 kit for a good price if I would go FF Nikon again, there are some great offers here in Austria at least.

    Anyway if you moved the D800 route I wish you much fun and happy shooting if this is the right stuff for you. For me it is definitely no longer.

    Peter
    I did buy the D800, and the price was exactly a third of what a Z6 body with adapter and an XQD card sells for here. As opposed to the Z6, the D800 will focus with old (cheap) pre-AF-S lenses, like the 300mm that I've used in the photos above and the 20+ year old 85mm f/1.8 that I also own.

    If I feel the need to use mirrorless cameras or travel light, I have four MFT bodies and more lenses than I care to admit. But with the D800, I can use the same lenses as I use with the F80 that sees increasing use. The large Nikon bodies also have the advantage over most mirrorless bodies that I can fit a diopter lens to the viewfinder without reducing the functionality of the finder. This is becoming increasingly important to me as I get more farsighted than what can be adjusted with most viewfinders, Panasonic being one of the few exceptions. Older viewfinders, like the one of the F80 can also be adjusted more.

    Most of the lenses that I'll buy for this camera (and the F80) will be from Nikon's excellent series of f/1.8 lenses, lenses that are compact, lightweight, of very high quality and very reasonably priced. The Nikkor 35mm f/1.8 in F-mount costs $527 and weighs 305g, while the corresponding lens in Z-mount costs $847 and weighs 370g.

    Then there's battery life...

    But hey... I'm not leaving mirrorless, I just want to have some variety and an optical viewfinder. I might even buy a Z6 one day, whenever some early adopter upgrades to the latest, greatest.

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    It was called the Land of Smiles. That was before our western culture entered and convinced people that they had to get an education, work in offices and make a career.
    Yes its wastly overrated (western culture), and in a minute or 2 it is burning out the earth too (seen in the long perspective), and the smiles will become even less convincing..

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    D800 with Nikkor 300mm f/4 AF @ f/5.6



    The only lens that I have available is this 300mm AF non-D that I bought for $600 15 years ago. Perfect for street photography on a rainy day if you ask me
    ...but that is really welldone (for an aging D800 too) !

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    ...but that is really welldone (for an aging D800 too) !
    It's the lens. That old 300mm renders in a particular way, and can make cloudy days look sunny without getting yellow. You can get them in nearly mint condition from Japan for under $300:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Excellent-N...MAAOSwNT9dHYug

    It isn't really sharp at f/4, can't be used with teleconverters and sounds like an early T-Ford when focusing, but it's a lovely lens.

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    It's the lens. That old 300mm renders in a particular way, and can make cloudy days look sunny without getting yellow. You can get them in nearly mint condition from Japan for under $300:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Excellent-N...MAAOSwNT9dHYug

    It isn't really sharp at f/4, can't be used with teleconverters and sounds like an early T-Ford when focusing, but it's a lovely lens.
    it looks and sound tempting, even though I have stopped investing...it must be in family with the spatter design lens 180/2.8D which Jack recommended, I guess some years ago, which I won't sell either. When I regain the use of the Df, it could make fun having, and it certainly looks capable...but one has to stop down to 5.6 and 8 I can understand.

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Totally silly?

    Why on earth would it be? Unless the pictures you make are obsolete!

    And we all know you make great images!

    Besides, my favorite camera of late is a mint D2x, thanks to fellow member bensonga!!! It is just like I used a decade and more ago for weddings and sports. I absolutely love that thing!

    Btw, great image with that 300 lens!!! I should get one like that for birding...
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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by dave.gt View Post
    Totally silly?

    Why on earth would it be? Unless the pictures you make are obsolete!

    And we all know you make great images!

    Besides, my favorite camera of late is a mint D2x, thanks to fellow member bensonga!!! It is just like I used a decade and more ago for weddings and sports. I absolutely love that thing!

    Btw, great image with that 300 lens!!! I should get one like that for birding...
    Be aware that the AF of that lens might be a bit sloooooow for birding. I did use it successfully for car racing photography for many years though, but race cars mostly move within a predictable pattern.

    The D2X is indeed a fun camera. I have a D2Xs myself, and cosmetically it has held up remarkably well in spite of lots of use and abuse on race tracks.
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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Bought my D800 new and still own it to this day. My 200 f2 and that body are practically never apart and can't imagine a better combo, not for the price anyway.
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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    The D810 solved a few minor nits and had better AF than the D800 -- in those respects it is the better camera; whether or not it's worth the extra $300-$400 is really up to your pocketbook -- I'd say "probably, but not exclusively" -- I know, zero help I actually preferred my D800 to my D800e as it rendered smoother images to my eye, and any micro softness was easily corrected with careful application of C1's sharpening sliders, so in that, it was my second favorite to my D810. Just confirm that your above D800 does not have the side af-boxes focusing issue --- or if it does, remind yourself to only use the center box with that body, as it's not going to be worth paying to have it fixed
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    Nothing wrong with Porridge. Go for the D850
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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Well I did buy the D800, and in a way, it was like coming home. I was planning to take off the vertical grip that came with the camera, but it feels great with it mounted, so I'll just keep it there for now.


    I was planning to just buy a couple of primes for this camera, but now I see that there's a mint 70-200 f/4 and a mint Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 for sale at the same shop... hmmm

    Then there's the new Tamron 35-150mm f/2.8-4, which would convert this camera into a great alternative for travel too. The disadvantage with that lens is that it won't work on the F80 (elecronic aperture). The 70-200 will.

    As for the D810 being better, yes, particularly the group AF and the shutter sound, but who says that a man can't have two... bodies? I'll see what becomes available locally the next few months/years/decades. I'm in no hurry. I prefer to buy locally though, since that saves me shipping costs and import duties.

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoelM View Post
    Nothing wrong with Porridge. Go for the D850
    I was actually rather close to that, but I also needed a new, larger, more practical camera bag for travelling. That set me back another $350. I'll come back to my choice, the Lowepro Whistler 450 II, later.

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    If you want the Nikon go for the D850.
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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    A second hand, mint 16-35mm f/4 has appeared also. Does anybody have experience with that lens?

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Well I did buy the D800, and in a way, it was like coming home. I was planning to take off the vertical grip that came with the camera, but it feels great with it mounted, so I'll just keep it there for now.


    I was planning to just buy a couple of primes for this camera, but now I see that there's a mint 70-200 f/4 and a mint Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 for sale at the same shop... hmmm

    Then there's the new Tamron 35-150mm f/2.8-4, which would convert this camera into a great alternative for travel too. The disadvantage with that lens is that it won't work on the F80 (elecronic aperture). The 70-200 will.

    As for the D810 being better, yes, particularly the group AF and the shutter sound, but who says that a man can't have two... bodies? I'll see what becomes available locally the next few months/years/decades. I'm in no hurry. I prefer to buy locally though, since that saves me shipping costs and import duties.
    Jřrgen, I can only just strongly recommend the 70-200/4 !
    But perhaps, while the Tamron 15-30 is extremely stellar (go for it if you dont care about size and weight, and go for the VC the last years model), or the lighter Nikkor 16-36/4
    And for the 24-70 region, perhaps the Nikkor 24-120, and don't use it above 70mm while its gets softer at the longer end, and its almost useless there.
    (and while you are not in Z-land, you can't have the stellar Z24-70/4S...)

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    Jřrgen, I can only just strongly recommend the 70-200/4 !
    But perhaps, while the Tamron 15-30 is extremely stellar (go for it if you dont care about size and weight, and go for the VC the last years model), or the lighter Nikkor 16-36/4
    And for the 24-70 region, perhaps the Nikkor 24-120, and don't use it above 70mm while its gets softer at the longer end, and its almost useless there.
    (and while you are not in Z-land, you can't have the stellar Z24-70/4S...)
    If I go for Nikon zoom lenses, the 70-200 is first priority. The Tamron 15-30 is too much. They have a smaller 17-35 f/2.8-4 though. I'm a bit sceptical to the Nikon 16-35. Had the Nikon 24-120. I liked everything about it except the fringing. It's also a bit too short. They sell for peanuts though.

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    If I go for Nikon zoom lenses, the 70-200 is first priority. The Tamron 15-30 is too much. They have a smaller 17-35 f/2.8-4 though. I'm a bit sceptical to the Nikon 16-35. Had the Nikon 24-120. I liked everything about it except the fringing. It's also a bit too short. They sell for peanuts though.
    Cameralab and Dustin Abbot cant find out why Tamron came out with this 17-35, lens tip is a bit more possitive.
    But Nasim at Photographylife seems to like the nikkor 16-35/4 VR very much... is it too big?
    Else you have to turn around to get a Z, while the 14-30/4 is without competition compared to size and weight (I just have to check the weak left side at 14mm and complain to the dealer), so a rather rather nice travel-and-walkaround-combo together with the 24-70/S, but the FX 70-200/4 does not AF that good at the Z's - but there will be an 70-200/4 S in a 1˝ year or so I guess. But I know its a heavy investment...(but a rather nice one - nice to hold - nice to use)

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    If you don't need the VR and can live without 2mm, I think the 18-35 is the little gem to look at.

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoelM View Post
    If you don't need the VR and can live without 2mm, I think the 18-35 is the little gem to look at.

    Joel
    You are right. I had forgotten about that one.

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    Cameralab and Dustin Abbot cant find out why Tamron came out with this 17-35, lens tip is a bit more possitive.
    But Nasim at Photographylife seems to like the nikkor 16-35/4 VR very much... is it too big?
    Else you have to turn around to get a Z, while the 14-30/4 is without competition compared to size and weight (I just have to check the weak left side at 14mm and complain to the dealer), so a rather rather nice travel-and-walkaround-combo together with the 24-70/S, but the FX 70-200/4 does not AF that good at the Z's - but there will be an 70-200/4 S in a 1˝ year or so I guess. But I know its a heavy investment...(but a rather nice one - nice to hold - nice to use)
    I believe the Tamron 17-35mm is meant to be paired with the 35-150mm. They are both relatively compact and cover pretty much everything most photographers need for everyday use. Opinions have always been devided about the Nikkor 16-35mm, and it is rather big.

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoelM View Post
    If you don't need the VR and can live without 2mm, I think the 18-35 is the little gem to look at.

    Joel

    I had to leave that lens, while taking pictures of houses and other straight lines unveiled some heavy moustache-distortion, so I had to return to the old nikkor 20/2.8D at that time, which in comparison did things perfect ...

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I believe the Tamron 17-35mm is meant to be paired with the 35-150mm. They are both relatively compact and cover pretty much everything most photographers need for everyday use. Opinions have always been devided about the Nikkor 16-35mm, and it is rather big.
    Yes perhaps one should rely on the competent and mature summery at lenstip considering the tamron 17-35..

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    Re: D800, totally silly?

    There is probably something seriously wrong with my brain Since I don't have many lenses for the D800 yet, I brought MFT gear (GX8) with me on my current journey. I miss the Nikon OVF alfready. I miss it in contrasty light and I miss it when shooting bursts. I rarely do the latter, but sometimes I have to. Optical viewfinders give more control, period

    I'm not giving up on mirrorless (I think), but I'm more attached to optical viewfinders than I thought.

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