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    Since Sony was not prepared to let me handle the camera in the field, so to speak, and no replace policy;
    I bought myself a Nikon Z6 bundle plus the 50/1.8S.

    Seems like meeting a friend after a few years! We both have changed. But yet deep down we are the same.

    It is a Nikon, in the grand scheme of things. Why not the Z7? It will happen with the Z7 II.

    My first MLC Is the Fuji X system. So I might be finding the changeover slightly awkward. But nothing too deep.

    These are my opinions only. They may not matter to others, but make my shooting less fluid.

    Nikon have to bring firmware upgrades fast, to make it competitive.
    CFExpress support does not do it for me.

    I have updated to the latest firmware.

    I have only played with shooting setup. And not explored all the possibilities yet, so take these with big lumps of salt. I might be stupidly missing something and/or not understanding the proper setup. Blame me!

    Blinkies! Where are they, when I need them the most, selectable of course, during shooting?

    Where is my RGB histogram?

    Cannot center focus point with joystick immediately. Pressing OK button removers a very important zoom in facility, for me, during shooting.

    I have found a roundabout way, on the tube, to close down the aperture to actual shooting aperture, rather than F5.6. This is critical for me while shooting landscapes and zoom around to check infocus areas.

    The delay timer! Same rubbish as the Fuji. Camera should be on all the time to keep it functional!

    How to I backup my xqd card easily in the field to a portable ssd drive, without a intermediate iPad,laptop etc.
    Many options available for ssd cards to just insert and backup.

    I find the ejection of the memory card a little fidgety.

    VR..superb.
    Ergonomics...Excellent.
    Menus...mostly familiar...very refined.
    I am ok with the battery life so far. Not what I read on the net! Of course, the Df runs it to the ground!
    The 2 function buttons between the lens and grip, excellent placement for my fingers.

    Lock position of 24-70S..good for travel packing.

    Did I mention, it feels good in the hands! Looks functional, no nonsense too.

    p.s. I ain’t leaving my XP2 and X-T3. With the wr 16, 23/2 and 50/2...a brilliant light weight go anywhere kit!
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    Re: Very early impressions...Z6

    Have fun Rayyan - glad to see you made the plunge.
    Look forward to seeing pix....
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    Re: Very early impressions...Z6

    Swissblad, pegelli..thank you.

    Swissblad, I shall be visiting SE Asia in late January. As good a place for me to subject the z6 to heat, rain,humidity, maybe salt spray at the beach, and of course condensation moving in/out from hot/cold.

    And mosquitos!

    Till then I shall just photograph around the house and familiarize myself with the z6.

    Thanks for the comment.
    Best and a glorious new year to all.

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    By blinkie are you referring to focus peaking?

    Itís a bit buried on the Z series.

    Fuji fixed the self timer and power off with the GFX100 I agree it should be a simple thing to implement on the Z.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    By blinkie are you referring to focus peaking?

    Itís a bit buried on the Z series.

    Fuji fixed the self timer and power off with the GFX100 I agree it should be a simple thing to implement on the Z.

    Paul C
    Blinkies are typically referring to blinking highlights, showing parts that may be overexposed.
    One can see blinkies and RGB histogram in image review (see page 124 of the reference manual).

    One common pitfall of Z cameras is that there are two ways to change exposure: one resets itself the other one doesn't.

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    Paul, SrMphoto...thanks for your responses.

    Indeed blinkies refer to overexposed areas of an image. While they are indeed available during playback; I wish the blinkies and RGB histogram were available during image capture.
    Zebras during video are a different matter.

    Take care and a happy new year 2020.

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    24-70 + 50: That is a good lens combo for traveling. Have fun with it. I just love my z7. The most versatile camera I ever had.

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    Jack, pics shall be forthcoming.

    I take an image, if Ayesha and/or her friends like
    their pictures...that is a good camera. Else, money wasted!

    I donít do sniff tests or Ď blow Ď tests on camera bodies.
    Reserve those for pulmo and medical labs.

    Very secondary in importance comes the weight test
    In this household. Can the users lift the camera and lens
    Combo.

    Even further down is can the picture be posted on
    social media?

    Not forgetting the brand. Is it primarily a camera or
    Lens maker? Or does itís fame rest on Walkman or such?

    How good is the Ď P Ď button?
    Menus? At a restaurant?

    Since Ayesha paid for the camera, and it meets
    her approval....it is a superb product.

    Ď Rayyan, here is some money for extra memory card
    and...ok for a battery also Ď.

    Ď You know, Rayyan, Sara and her friends loved
    the pics the camera took Ď

    Nothing more to be said.
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    Re: Very early impressions...Z6

    Rayyan,

    congrats on your new camera (system). The Z6 and lenses are currently very cheap, also in Austria and I am tempted again and again to jump into the Nikon Z system. So far I could resist

    Anyway have much fun and I do appreciate your initial thoughts on getting back to Nikon after many years of shooting different mirrorless cameras.

    I am currently in the phase of really loving the X-Pro3 (did not buy it yet) as I most probably will stop further investments into m43 since I do not see much future for me there. But the Z system could be a viable alternative to getting back into Fuji X system. So your honest thoughts as a veteran Nikon shooter (like myself) are very valuable for me

    We will see .... looking forward to some images ....

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    Re: Very early impressions...Z6

    I just pulled the trigger on the same combo -- we shall see!
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    I bought the Z6 several months ago. Dipping a toe in the water so to speak. I am starting to love it! The view finder/screen has a little bit of lag making it harder to use for action compared to the D850 but when getting used to it is usable. Battery life is horrible compared to the D850 but still better than MF and getting some extra batteries is no biggie.

    I find the image quality of the lenses (combination of sensor and lenses probably) phenomenal! Pleasantly surprised of the results afterwards every time I have used the Z6.

    I am still fiddling with AF sometimes. Face detect/Eye detect works often but when scenes get crowded with a lot of heads/eyes the af tends to get confused.

    Pity Nikon hasn't produces a 70-200/4.0 sofar...

    I am now far beyond just having my toes in the water, I guess I have plunged in way deeper than initially anticipated. The D850 has not seen much use lately..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustbak View Post
    Pity Nikon hasn't produces a 70-200/4.0 sofar...
    Even better...

    https://www.dpreview.com/articles/09...traffic_source

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    Gawd! What a monster. Sorta by-passes why I went to the Z7. Will have to wait for the 70-200 f4...

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    Lens quality of the kit 24-70mm is wonderful. The 50/1.8S is super.

    AE bracketing with a single touch! One has to set up by accessing 2 different menu items. I have them now in the U1 menu which holds my landscape setup.

    I am coming to grips with this Z6 of mine. While I can get it to do most what I want, With custom functions, U! and the iMenu...there is a slight delay, for me, for spontaneous shooting. I however seem to to shoot much more fluid when I don't use all the menus.

    I have not touched video yet, except to zoom to evaluate Dof. The camera focuses at the aperture selected in movie mode and DOF can be evaluated but not for stills. Not ideal at all.
    Assigned F1 to dof, but this requires a 2 finger press...

    The trip is near..and I have not yet decided to take the Z6 or my Fuji setup. I need a tele. And the use of the FTZ is just a kludge, imho..say what others might.
    CF and face/eye is lovely, for what I use it for.

    But the EVF and the LCD..gorgeous; a pleasure to shoot with.
    Again, on a very personal level, the strap lugs bother me when I have the PD connectors installed. I shall remove them and the Nikon D ring.

    Movie button is not used by me, and I have assigned it to another function.

    So far, small niggles, but definitely no regrets. ( I need to get a remote shutter release..a bummer that that there is no countdown timer for the T or B shutter choice ).
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    Well my "kit" arrived. Totally DOA. Nothing, nada, zip. Charger won't light up, cam won't activate. Even with cam on USB, nada. Screw this, I am done.
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    Canít blame you.

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    Ooh, what a bummer Jack ...you're right to be pi**ed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post

    Oh, yes. That will come for sure! I now own the 35/50/85 and the 24-70/4. The f4 zoom is small but delivers an insane quality. I hope eventually a 70-200 with the same characteristics will emerge, small but with great quality.

    The 2.8 zooms are beyond insane, at least the 24-70 is. I have not had the chance of toying around with the new 70-200.

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    Well I have played with the Z6 for some
    time now.

    Right now, I have just finished packing.

    The Z6, 24-70 F4 S, the 50/1.8S and
    the venerable 70-300 af-p.. with the
    FTZ adapter. Leaving the 18-35 behind.

    I have taken hundreds of shots of windows
    trees, anything around the house and itís
    inhabitants.

    I was originally heading to Batangas, Philippines
    but the Taal lake volacanic eruption n earthquakes
    I changed my destination to Negros Oriental in the
    Same country. The next few days I shall fly to
    Cebu. And rent car to drive around the island.

    The only thing reserved is the flight to Manila.
    The rest, I shall see.

    p.s Ayesha is heading off to Mt. Kenya and then
    Visit Ethiopia. The XT3 goes with her.
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    Have a great trip Ray!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    Well I have played with the Z6 for some
    time now.

    Right now, I have just finished packing.

    The Z6, 24-70 F4 S, the 50/1.8S and
    the venerable 70-300 af-p.. with the
    FTZ adapter. Leaving the 18-35 behind.

    I have taken hundreds of shots of windows
    trees, anything around the house and itís
    inhabitants.

    I was originally heading to Batangas, Philippines
    but the Taal lake volacanic eruption n earthquakes
    I changed my destination to Negros Oriental in the
    Same country. The next few days I shall fly to
    Cebu. And rent car to drive around the island.

    The only thing reserved is the flight to Manila.
    The rest, I shall see.

    p.s Ayesha is heading off to Mt. Kenya and then
    Visit Ethiopia. The XT3 goes with her.
    We will almost meet. I was heading to the Philippines myself a few days ago, but there was no plane, so trying again in a few days. I'm going to Mindanao though, but via Manila and flying over Batangas and Cebu on the way. Have you been to Mindanao? It's a fascinating island, particularly the southern part where I am going, General Santos and Maasim. Zamboanga is a very beautiful city where the local language is in reality Spanish. Probably safer for you than for me, but I go there anyway.

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    Thanks Jack and John.

    Jorgen, small world. Manila has always been a transit
    for me. Too crowded, smoky and noisy.

    When will you be in Manila? Who knows our paths
    might cross. Coffee and something stronger for you.

    I have never been to Mindanao. And have no desire
    to go there. Safer for me or not! I donít believe it
    for one second!

    There are so many unbelievably beautiful islands
    in the Philippines. I prefer them..thank you sir.

    I am dropping the 70-300mm. Hassle for me.

    Letís see how it pans out for me.

    But would love to meet you.
    I expect to travel with Ayesha to Lombok in
    March. If u are there or near about...

    Visiting Thailand is restricted for us except for
    business, medical reasons. This is due to the
    murder of our diplomats there and a big time
    theft in my country by some Thai people.
    We have visited most of Thailand before this
    incident.

    Anyway safe travels to you and let me know
    your plans.

    Best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post

    I am dropping the 70-300mm. Hassle for me.
    Understood. The more I travel, the less encumbered I prefer being... And you can do an awful lot of great imaging with just the 24-70. Or even a lone 35 or 50...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    Thanks Jack and John.

    Jorgen, small world. Manila has always been a transit
    for me. Too crowded, smoky and noisy.

    When will you be in Manila? Who knows our paths
    might cross. Coffee and something stronger for you.

    I have never been to Mindanao. And have no desire
    to go there. Safer for me or not! I donít believe it
    for one second!

    There are so many unbelievably beautiful islands
    in the Philippines. I prefer them..thank you sir.

    I am dropping the 70-300mm. Hassle for me.

    Letís see how it pans out for me.

    But would love to meet you.
    I expect to travel with Ayesha to Lombok in
    March. If u are there or near about...

    Visiting Thailand is restricted for us except for
    business, medical reasons. This is due to the
    murder of our diplomats there and a big time
    theft in my country by some Thai people.
    We have visited most of Thailand before this
    incident.

    Anyway safe travels to you and let me know
    your plans.

    Best.
    I will be in Manila between 03:15 and 06:30 on Tuesday morning. You'll find me sleeping in a chair at the Domestic Lounge, Terminal 2

    Same routine on Friday, only the International Lounge and in the afternoon. Unfortunately, this is what my travels look like at the moment. I will stop at my favourite fishing village in Maasim though

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    I am falling more and more for this neat system. The lenses are simply great, even the 24-70/4 which you might consider a standard kit lens is great.

    Just a snapshot of what I woke up to this morning. Great to be moving to longer days again!
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    I have not had the chance to try out my z6
    kit.
    what with flights via Clark n the H1N1 virus
    i have not had time to settle

    Then it is the Chinese New Year. And i am
    unable to get continuous stay in any one
    hotel for > 2 days at exhorbitant cost.

    The Z6 n kit lens begins to feel heavy
    just lugging it!

    Hopefully, i might get some lion dance
    images tonight or tomorrow.

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    After having used the z6 and the 24-70/4s n 50/1.8s setup here is an update.

    Obviously this opinion reflects my lack of knowledge and/or my shooting experience.

    Overall, I couldnít be more satisfied with this setup.
    Performed as and when I wanted it.
    Weight n bulk never an issue on international or domestic flights.
    Tripod in hold. All else with me as carry on. Plus medicines, cc, passport, few filters, IPhone, batteries, chargers and 4x64gb xqd cards. And a pair of jeans shirt.

    I took 2 batteries for the z6. Never needed a second one after a full days shooting.

    Caught up in tropical torrential downpour. Just wiped with soft cloth n good to go.

    A/C, humidity..I took a little care to avoid moisture condensation. Noting special.

    Want list.

    Blinkies.
    Horizontal level indicator along with histogram. Missed this.
    Shutter T mode needs to go over 30 seconds. And a count down on screen timer.

    Honestly, thatís it.

    I realize I crop. Shall wait for 2nd gen Z7.

    Good job Nikon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    After having used the z6 and the 24-70/4s n 50/1.8s setup here is an update.

    Obviously this opinion reflects my lack of knowledge and/or my shooting experience.

    Overall, I couldnít be more satisfied with this setup.
    Performed as and when I wanted it.
    Weight n bulk never an issue on international or domestic flights.
    Tripod in hold. All else with me as carry on. Plus medicines, cc, passport, few filters, IPhone, batteries, chargers and 4x64gb xqd cards. And a pair of jeans shirt.

    I took 2 batteries for the z6. Never needed a second one after a full days shooting.

    Caught up in tropical torrential downpour. Just wiped with soft cloth n good to go.

    A/C, humidity..I took a little care to avoid moisture condensation. Noting special.

    Want list.

    Blinkies.
    Horizontal level indicator along with histogram. Missed this.
    Shutter T mode needs to go over 30 seconds. And a count down on screen timer.

    Honestly, thatís it.

    I realize I crop. Shall wait for 2nd gen Z7.

    Good job Nikon!
    I knew it, before you did, that you would love it Rayyan...now you like it, but when you later will be slowly aware of the fact that your mind is a Nikon-mind that don't leave you, you will realize that you love it (because its utterly faithfull to you)...congrats...KR thorkil
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    Thanks Thorkil.
    And thanks, Jack, Swissblad.

    I was not so sure before I put it to use in a limited field test on this trip.
    But I guess, Nikon habits die hard!!

    Take care you all.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    I knew it, before you did, that you would love it Rayyan...now you like it, but when you later will be slowly aware of the fact that your mind is a Nikon-mind that don't leave you, you will realize that you love it (because its utterly faithfull to you)...congrats...KR thorkil

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    After having used the z6 and the 24-70/4s n 50/1.8s setup here is an update.

    Obviously this opinion reflects my lack of knowledge and/or my shooting experience.

    Overall, I couldnít be more satisfied with this setup.
    Performed as and when I wanted it.
    Weight n bulk never an issue on international or domestic flights.
    Tripod in hold. All else with me as carry on. Plus medicines, cc, passport, few filters, IPhone, batteries, chargers and 4x64gb xqd cards. And a pair of jeans shirt.

    I took 2 batteries for the z6. Never needed a second one after a full days shooting.

    Caught up in tropical torrential downpour. Just wiped with soft cloth n good to go.

    A/C, humidity..I took a little care to avoid moisture condensation. Noting special.

    Want list.

    Blinkies.
    Horizontal level indicator along with histogram. Missed this.
    Shutter T mode needs to go over 30 seconds. And a count down on screen timer.

    Honestly, thatís it.

    I realize I crop. Shall wait for 2nd gen Z7.

    Good job Nikon!
    After a long hiatus (on my part), nice to see some of the usual suspects.

    Curious how you compare the Z6 to your X-T3. A few months back I sold an A7ii and some glass to move to the X-T3 (still have an A7iii that I use at work). I've actually been quite happy with the Fuji setup and gestalt, but I also shoot a lot of low-light handheld and a FF/IBIS combination can help a lot. The X-T4 might solve part of that equation, but given my first digital camera was a Nikon way back when, the Z6 has my curiosity up, especially given the recent FW update.

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    Re: Very early impressions...Z6

    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    After having used the z6 and the 24-70/4s n 50/1.8s setup here is an update.

    Want list.

    Blinkies.
    Horizontal level indicator along with histogram. Missed this.
    Shutter T mode needs to go over 30 seconds. And a count down on screen timer.

    Honestly, that’s it.

    I realize I crop. Shall wait for 2nd gen Z7.
    Ray, I had missed this initially -- you can get highlight warning blinkies, but NOT with manual focus peaking turned on. So, you first turn off focus peaking in the menu, then scroll down to the "movie" menu and turn highlight warning on! (I bet you never even opened that one up LOL!) Anyway, it will be grayed out until you turn off focus peaking in the upper menu. (And WHY the F&^% Nikon chose to bury the exposure warning blinkies in the movie menu is beyond me, and why it cannot be had at the same time as focus peaking indicator is beyond me too, but that's a different gripe LOL!) So now you will have exposure blinkies show at whatever level you set them to. You can now now go back and turn focus peaking back on and now focus peaking will work normally, however exposure blinkies will only show on playback, not during exposure. I know, it's a stupid design and hopefully they fix it for us in a future FW. On the upside, I have yet to get any truly blown RAW file --in my Z7 anyway-- using multi-matrix and a Z lens. However with jpegs, yes I've gotten a few edged out channels, but they are mostly in specular highlight/heavy reflection areas and not overly critical to the overall image.

    Hope this helps a little
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    Re: Very early impressions...Z6

    You are right Jack. I never scrolled through the video menus!!

    Thanks for the insights.

    Best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    You are right Jack. I never scrolled through the video menus!!

    Thanks for the insights.

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    The Z has video?!!!

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    Stills only Keith!

    Best.

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    The Z has video?!!!

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    Re: Very early impressions...Z6

    Here's a neat trick I just discovered, for easy switching of colored filters (not really spectral cut filters, but still) when set to a B&W view.

    I set Fn2 to "Set Picture Control". By default there is only a "Monochrome" view, but under "Manage Picture Control" custom picture controls can be created with filters enabled. (Note: custom white balance using K temp doesn't affect the monochrome conversion at all, otherwise this would have been a good tool as well.)

    Under the Photo Shooting Menu:
    - Manage Picture Control (click OK)
    - Save/Edit (click Right)
    - MC Monochrome (click *Right* to adjust)
    - Scroll down to Filter Effects
    - Right click to pick a filter, for example Y
    - Press OK
    - Select a C- custom slot to save it to
    - For example, C-1, press OK
    - Name the slot, for example "BW Y" if you chose the Y filter
    - Press the magnifying glass to save

    It's sorely lacking a blue filter though. What was Nikon thinking? Replace the Y (minus-blue) with B if there's insufficient space; the last thing this camera needs is to further light up reds!!! And the color temp setting should permit easy R-B sensitivity balancing! Or even better, get rid of the "filters" and just give me three controls for R, G, B and let me set them to whatever factor I want.

    Repeat for the other filters, saving custom Picture Control entries.
    I also saved a plain monochrome as just BW so it's right next to the others in the rotation. Otherwise there's a gazillion gimmicky settings.
    Saved it to U2, so now I have U1 - regular, U2 - B&W, U3 - P&S mode for non-photographers.

    With one of the front Fn buttons set to Set Custom Picture I can now press it and use the rear dial to switch between the custom B&W settings.

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    Yes for sure Jan! You can also assign "the first item in your 'My Menu'" to a custom button. I chose the red "movie" button since it continues to work as movie on-off in video mode. I also have the picture control in my "i" menu for ready access. I find I am using sepia more frequently than filters (not mutually exclusive!), but I agree with you that the sensor is overly sensitive to the Red channel, boosting most reds to low-mid grays, so a minus red would be welcome -- and I agree that getting rid of yellow (or Orange) since we have Red and Orange and giving us a Blue makes sense. But here's a tip -- use Green --- It does almost perfect for Reds and doesn't kill the sky, AND gives really nice skintones
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