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    Thorkil, you raise another interesting point. The little zoom is so good, it obviates primes in that range for me since I don't need optical speed with ultra and wide angle. The 24-70/4 is as good or better, and will likely suffice for travel and all-around, but for the shallower DoF look I want some optical speed and these little 1.8S primes are simply killing it performance-wise! Point is, one can get by with a whole lot less than before if they choose wisely to suit their needs. On that topic, if I'm honest I do not need the 85 --- but I still want it for the look it renders
    When I bought into the Z system I intended to wait for the 20 S but got impatient and bought the 14-30 zoom. Could be my best buy ever!
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    Thorkil, you raise another interesting point. The little zoom is so good, it obviates primes in that range for me since I don't need optical speed with ultra and wide angle. The 24-70/4 is as good or better, and will likely suffice for travel and all-around, but for the shallower DoF look I want some optical speed and these little 1.8S primes are simply killing it performance-wise! Point is, one can get by with a whole lot less than before if they choose wisely to suit their needs. On that topic, if I'm honest I do not need the 85 --- but I still want it for the look it renders
    Yes, but I still want the 20/18.S, but I honestly really don't know why, so I better be patient to look at some carefull made reviews to state if I need it or not. And I tend to walk with only one lens on, and if its the 20, I could not stumble over and do a courtyard-picture like my last one from Copenhagen, so...like Keith, I presume.. the 14-30 might be my most used lens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    Yes, but I still want the 20/18.S, but I honestly really don't know why, so I better be patient to look at some carefull made reviews to state if I need it or not. And I tend to walk with only one lens on, and if its the 20, I could not stumble over and do a courtyard-picture like my last one from Copenhagen, so...like Keith, I presume.. the 14-30 might be my most used lens
    Firstly, I am the absolute last guy who should be lecturing on not giving into wants; if I want something bad enough, I will figure out a justification to get it! But for me, the only logic I had toward wide primes was I wanted the best possible image quality for landscape shots. But at the same time, I knew there was a negative side to them; and that is their inability to adjust framing from a fixed position often mandated in landscape imaging.

    My story: I sold my favorite landscape zoom at the time -- a particularly good copy of the 17-35/2.8 AF, very sharp centrally but fell off to just "pretty good" in the outer third, to virtually unusable in the very corners. But the rest of it was so good, I learned to shoot it a little loose and crop the bad corners out when I needed good corners. What was interesting is a majority of the images I made with it were closer 24mm after the crop than they were 20mm. So I sold the 17-35 and bought a Sigma ART 24. An exceptional lens, perfectly sharp corner to corner. And a beast. First workshop out with it, I was left wanting the 17 end of the zoom I had sold... So before the next trip, I bought a 20/1.8 G -- another very good lens, but not quite as good as the Sigma, though not as massive either -- a good compromise. I liked the 20G so much, I sold the Sigma ART and bought the 24/1.8G -- it wasn't as good as the 20/1.8 and I never really connected with it. And most of all? I still missed that 17-35 zoom... Should have never sold it, and have felt remorse until now -- the 14-30S has finally assuaged my guilt of letting that 17-35 go... I respect your needs and desires may vary from mine, but I felt my story may be relevant
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    I was convinced that the new 20/1.8S would be the one I just had to buy, but on the other hand, what can it offer that the 14-30 don't offer?
    Focus separation where you allow objects partially obscuring one another to separate from each other by limiting the DoF so definition varies subtly by distance. A 20mm f/4 doesn't provide a whole lot of separation in something like a cityscape.
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    Firstly, I am the absolute last guy who should be lecturing on not giving into wants; if I want something bad enough, I will figure out a justification to get it! But for me, the only logic I had toward wide primes was I wanted the best possible image quality for landscape shots. But at the same time, I knew there was a negative side to them; and that is their inability to adjust framing from a fixed position often mandated in landscape imaging.

    My story: I sold my favorite landscape zoom at the time -- a particularly good copy of the 17-35/2.8 AF, very sharp centrally but fell off to just "pretty good" in the outer third, to virtually unusable in the very corners. But the rest of it was so good, I learned to shoot it a little loose and crop the bad corners out when I needed good corners. What was interesting is a majority of the images I made with it were closer 24mm after the crop than they were 20mm. So I sold the 17-35 and bought a Sigma ART 24. An exceptional lens, perfectly sharp corner to corner. And a beast. First workshop out with it, I was left wanting the 17 end of the zoom I had sold... So before the next trip, I bought a 20/1.8 G -- another very good lens, but not quite as good as the Sigma, though not as massive either -- a good compromise. I liked the 20G so much, I sold the Sigma ART and bought the 24/1.8G -- it wasn't as good as the 20/1.8 and I never really connected with it. And most of all? I still missed that 17-35 zoom... Should have never sold it, and have felt remorse until now -- the 14-30S has finally assuaged my guilt of letting that 17-35 go... I respect your needs and desires may vary from mine, but I felt my story may be relevant
    I'm totally with you here, specially your statement "if I want something bad enough, I will figure out a justification to get it!". I have always had that romantic vision, just one camera, one lens, I'm sure if that was the circumstances, one would be just as lucky, if not even more, instead of this consumption-circus we all are a part off.
    Your words encourage me to (for a while at least) be fully satisfied with the 14-30, while its just so much more mature than it's size let you know, more crisp than the old 14-24/2.8G, more interesting. Even though I think Jan is right with the statement above, you might always be able to separate enough, if you just get close enough. If it is street, trying to catch people, getting close, it's almost always a matter of being in the sufficient mood (which not always are there, but one can try to dig it out) to throw your inhibitions overboard, meeting people with an optimistic childish smile, hipshooting, and 95% of the time you will get the same childish smile including forgiveness back (apart from: the more educated or wealthy people are, the more difficult it often is to, for the needed seconds, to establish that rewarding ping-pong featherlight interaction, sorry to say, often a matter of willingness to play your whole human existence (also from the "victims") into the game without being afraid of status-loosing). With buildings I often have traditional and perhaps a bit boring approach wanting it all to be fairly sharp , and the 14-30 just deliver.
    But yes, Jack, as you remember, I bought the 17-35 on your recommendation, still got it, didn't use it that much (too much choices, too many disturbing dreams, I guess), but on the Df it certainly did deliver, in a way I in one word would call: smooth (and charming). just a revisit back (and just to step in your wound..) to one posted in 2017 (but at f8, and the Df sensor certainly is guilty in the (in my eyes) delicate drawing too), would the 14-30 on the Z7 be able to draw in the same way?, I doubt:


    but I have just weighed them: the 17-35 is 764 grams and the 14-30 is just 512 gram, both with filter but without caps. 252 grams less, or in another way: the 17-35 weighs 49% more than the 14-30. So I think there is still no reason to regret... , its so handy and communicating, the Z7/14-30 combo..
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    Haven't shot much with the 85/1.8 S yet, other than to make sure it doesn't suffer from decentering.

    It did get put to use a moment ago though; I put the Z7 with it (in P&S Auto Eye-AF mode) in the hands of my wife to capture a shot of me to use on linkedin. M 1/60 f/4 ISO 110. I wanted it to look casual, spontaneous, open, inviting, warm, friendly.

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    Jack,
    Enjoy the Z50mm 1.8, I knew you'd love it. I've decided to demo a Canon EOS R for the incredible f/1.2 and f/2 zoom RF lenses. Sony's are nice, but I don't need 60mp and prefer the ergonomics of the EOS-R. Actually, the build quality (EOS R) is outstanding. I think Nikon should have made at least a 1.4 prime at launch or a battery/ grip that actually works in portrait mode. Otherwise, it's a great camera. I watched a video recently, where someone said you buy Canon for the lenses and Nikon for the cameras, but the EOS R has me thinking otherwise

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    Re: Nikon Z lens roadmap

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    Jack,
    Enjoy the Z50mm 1.8, I knew you'd love it. I've decided to demo a Canon EOS R for the incredible f/1.2 and f/2 zoom RF lenses. Sony's are nice, but I don't need 60mp and prefer the ergonomics of the EOS-R. Actually, the build quality (EOS R) is outstanding. I think Nikon should have made at least a 1.4 prime at launch or a battery/ grip that actually works in portrait mode. Otherwise, it's a great camera. I watched a video recently, where someone said you buy Canon for the lenses and Nikon for the cameras, but the EOS R has me thinking otherwise
    For sure! Enjoy the EOS system -- it's great too!
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    Got my 20/1.8 S, but unfortunately is shows a high amount of spherical aberration along the right 10-15% closest to the edge. The center and left side are stellar though. EXCELLENT optic, except I need to exchange it.

    Form my very quick testing it shows nice bokeh, and very "classic" looking - probably from out-of-plane spherical aberration. (And, I suspect the defect in mine is excessive field curvature, since the edge improves when I explicitly focus on it, but then the rest of the image goes out of focus.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Brittenson View Post
    Got my 20/1.8 S, but unfortunately is shows a high amount of spherical aberration along the right 10-15% closest to the edge. The center and left side are stellar though. EXCELLENT optic, except I need to exchange it.

    Form my very quick testing it shows nice bokeh, and very "classic" looking - probably from out-of-plane spherical aberration. (And, I suspect the defect in mine is excessive field curvature, since the edge improves when I explicitly focus on it, but then the rest of the image goes out of focus.)
    Sorry to hear that Jan.

    I see that Jim Kasson is currently testing this lens, starting with https://blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/2...itial-testing/

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    Mine was sharp as a tack across most of the field wide open, and the bad edge looked like his center.

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    Here's the only "real" shot I took with it before packing it up, to check color, rendition, bokeh, etc. As you can see from the crop, it's an excellent lens. ISO 64, f/1.8 1/15s handheld. Not the best light or anything. I think the performance is absolutely stellar for a 20mm lens at f/1.8. The left side performance was very close to center, while the right side had a nasty "fuzz" to it. Bokeh looks okay, should be workable. (This is a visually cluttered subject, so I think it'll be just fine.) Can't wait to get my hands on one that performs across the frame. And, yes, there is slight chromatic aberration in high contrast lines, especially around the plane of focus, but it's not particularly severe.





    BTW, I screwed up the crop. I meant to make it 1100px wide but made it 1100px tall, and it gets downsized when inlined like this. Right click on it and open the image in a new tab to see it at 100% for the full pixel peep!
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    Re: Nikon Z lens roadmap

    FWIW, there is a new 1.01 FW update for the 24-70 f4 lens. Resets aperture values and apparently improves exposure consistency. I installed it and it went seamlessly -- took all of 30 seconds. Have not shot enough with it to say I notice a difference.
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    Got a new 20/1.8 S, and this one checks out fine out of the box!

    Pics will be forthcoming.
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    Re: Nikon Z lens roadmap

    I ordered a Nikkor S 2.8/24-70 together with the Nikon Z7 last week, as we have some great discounts going on here in Austria. I could not be more happy

    Camera and lens should arrive in the next weeks.

    Figured out from tons of Youtube videos and reviews that the 2.8/24-70 S is one of the best if not the best available today for mirrorless cameras.

    Looking forward to this combo and being back in FF territory again after so many years exclusively shooting m43 Olympus. I will keep my Olympus gear as prices for used m43 gear are pretty much down in these times and also for when I really need long reach with minimal weight.

    I am sure I will really enjoy to be back in Nikon FF land and will keep you updated on my journey ....

    I am planning to add some of the really excellent 1.8 S prime lenses later as well as the 100-400 that should arrive till 2021
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    Re: Nikon Z lens roadmap

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I ordered a Nikkor S 2.8/24-70 together with the Nikon Z7 last week, as we have some great discounts going on here in Austria. I could not be more happy

    Camera and lens should arrive in the next weeks.

    Figured out from tons of Youtube videos and reviews that the 2.8/24-70 S is one of the best if not the best available today for mirrorless cameras.

    Looking forward to this combo and being back in FF territory again after so many years exclusively shooting m43 Olympus. I will keep my Olympus gear as prices for used m43 gear are pretty much down in these times and also for when I really need long reach with minimal weight.

    I am sure I will really enjoy to be back in Nikon FF land and will keep you updated on my journey ....

    I am planning to add some of the really excellent 1.8 S prime lenses later as well as the 100-400 that should arrive till 2021
    Congratulations! It is an outstanding combo!
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    Nikonrumors.com published yesterday it’s rumored the 50mm f1.2S and 14-24mm 2.8S could be announced/released at the end of the month. Heres to hoping they’re right

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcdeveau View Post
    Nikonrumors.com published yesterday it’s rumored the 50mm f1.2S and 14-24mm 2.8S could be announced/released at the end of the month. Heres to hoping they’re right
    I hope is true and the 50 is not gigantic.
    I don't understand why the 85mm 1.2 is not even in the roadmap.

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    I hope is true and the 50 is not gigantic.
    I don't understand why the 85mm 1.2 is not even in the roadmap.

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    From the shown images the 50/1.2 is quite a bit larger than the 24-70/2.8. I would say for a 50 it is huge, it better be magical

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustbak View Post
    From the shown images the 50/1.2 is quite a bit larger than the 24-70/2.8. I would say for a 50 it is huge, it better be magical
    Indeed, it seems to be huge and no doubt heavy.

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    Yeah “lens size” does not appear to be a variable they were trying to optimize during lens development with the 50 1.2. Agree fully it better be magical and darn near perfect for the size!

    Also have no clue why a faster 85mm (faster than the current 1.8) isn’t on the roadmap. I’m in need of portrait lenses and have been unsure of whether to get the 58/85mm 1.4 f-mount lenses and adapt, wait for the 50 1.2 and get the 85 1.8 too, or pick up a canon Eos R for the 85 1.2 RF, or.....?? I really like the Z bodies but need native lens selection/availability to expand.

    I worry a little about the availability of the lenses once announced. The 70-200mm 2.8 S still isn’t shipping AFAIK they’ve had delays and that was before the virus situation.

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    Re: Nikon Z lens roadmap

    I picked up my Z7 and the 2.8/24-70 today and I am VERY HAPPY! Will share some images as soon as I have something slothful sharing for public.

    Anyway I am surprised how far I got sucked into m43 and the larger DOF now with 2.8 and 70 I am almost overwhelmed by the shallow DOF - which I was completely used to several years ago but now I am staring to appreciate it again.

    Having said that - I now have the feeling that 1.8 in some primes will be all I need - so not sure if I will even consider that 1.2/50.

    And if I really need/want this I still can use the Leica M 1.4/75 or 1.0/50 Noctilux with the Novoflex Leica M to Z adapter manually - which I order today as well.

    Looking forward to some really great experiences with Nikon FF after so many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I picked up my Z7 and the 2.8/24-70 today and I am VERY HAPPY! Will share some images as soon as I have something slothful sharing for public.

    Anyway I am surprised how far I got sucked into m43 and the larger DOF now with 2.8 and 70 I am almost overwhelmed by the shallow DOF - which I was completely used to several years ago but now I am staring to appreciate it again.

    Having said that - I now have the feeling that 1.8 in some primes will be all I need - so not sure if I will even consider that 1.2/50.

    And if I really need/want this I still can use the Leica M 1.4/75 or 1.0/50 Noctilux with the Novoflex Leica M to Z adapter manually - which I order today as well.

    Looking forward to some really great experiences with Nikon FF after so many years.
    Glad you’re enjoying it!

    The Novoflex M to Z adapter works well, I’ve been using it with a 50mm 0.95 Noctilux without any issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I ordered a Nikkor S 2.8/24-70 together with the Nikon Z7 last week, as we have some great discounts going on here in Austria. I could not be more happy

    Camera and lens should arrive in the next weeks.

    Figured out from tons of Youtube videos and reviews that the 2.8/24-70 S is one of the best if not the best available today for mirrorless cameras.

    Looking forward to this combo and being back in FF territory again after so many years exclusively shooting m43 Olympus. I will keep my Olympus gear as prices for used m43 gear are pretty much down in these times and also for when I really need long reach with minimal weight.

    I am sure I will really enjoy to be back in Nikon FF land and will keep you updated on my journey ....

    I am planning to add some of the really excellent 1.8 S prime lenses later as well as the 100-400 that should arrive till 2021
    I hope you enjoy it.
    From today a good discount for the z7 should cost around. 2500$ to be competitive. The current price is too high.

    The Canon. R5 is out with ET level focusing (speed, acuracy and low light), dual card slots, proper grip and maybe,, competitive dynamic range.
    If the camera does not have a mayor flaw is well ahead the competition. I am crossign fingers for the Z6 and Z7 replacements. I hope Nikon understand that they don't have 2 years.

    Another option, if they see they can't compete will be lower prices. We are waiting for the. 85mm f1.4/1.2 to appear in the roadmap!!!

    Best regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jduncan View Post
    I hope you enjoy it.
    From today a good discount for the z7 should cost around. 2500$ to be competitive. The current price is too high.

    The Canon. R5 is out with ET level focusing (speed, acuracy and low light), dual card slots, proper grip and maybe,, competitive dynamic range.
    If the camera does not have a mayor flaw is well ahead the competition. I am crossign fingers for the Z6 and Z7 replacements. I hope Nikon understand that they don't have 2 years.

    Another option, if they see they can't compete will be lower prices. We are waiting for the. 85mm f1.4/1.2 to appear in the roadmap!!!

    Best regards,
    I am really enjoying the Z7 - and I paid €2100.- for it - so this is a really good price. And the EVF is from another world - well coming from the Olympus EM1.3 ...

    Despite the price I feel it is a superior camera especially with that beautifully rendering sensor. You can actually feel and see the great DR coming from m43.

    The 2.8/24-70 has been my dream lens since I tested it a year ago and I have no regrets having bought it finally. Extremely sharp, silent and a joy to use in combo with that Z7 body.

    I am very happy - even after that R5/R6 launch yesterday and far away from considering Canon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jduncan View Post
    I hope you enjoy it.
    From today a good discount for the z7 should cost around. 2500$ to be competitive. The current price is too high.

    The Canon. R5 is out with ET level focusing (speed, acuracy and low light), dual card slots, proper grip and maybe,, competitive dynamic range.
    If the camera does not have a mayor flaw is well ahead the competition. I am crossign fingers for the Z6 and Z7 replacements. I hope Nikon understand that they don't have 2 years.

    Another option, if they see they can't compete will be lower prices. We are waiting for the. 85mm f1.4/1.2 to appear in the roadmap!!!

    Best regards,
    They are rumored to refresh both the Z6 and Z7 later this year (https://nikonrumors.com/2020/07/06/b...his-year.aspx/).

    Looks like some of the rumored improvements include dual processors, dual card slots, and a proper optional vertical grip accessory with camera control (not just a "dumb" battery grip).

    I'm with you on the 85mm f1.4/1.2, although I have a feeling it could be awhile....sigh.

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    Re: Nikon Z lens roadmap

    The updated Z roadmap -- some interesting decisions here ... :



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    Re: Nikon Z lens roadmap

    I am definitely most interested in the 100-400 and the 1.4TC.

    Very interesting is also the 14-24/2.8 if it allows screw in filters - which I somewhere read it should.

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    I am interested in both --or more accurately EITHER-- the 200-600 or 100-400 with the 1.4x converter as well. I won't bother with the 70-200 with the longer options on my radar, as my uses of the 70-200 historically have been mostly at 200 and little else. If the 100-400 is significantly more compact and possibly a stop faster than the 200-600, that could sway me towards it. I am quite happy with the size and performance of the 14-30/4 for what I need in an UW zoom, so no plans to move away from it. My other prime interest is the pancake 40 -- I'm hoping it's a stellar performing f2.8 lens and if so, could easily become my walk-around prime, and I'd sell my 50/1.8S even though it's the absolute single best optic I've ever owned or used... Lastly, I'll probably round out with the 105 macro or possibly keep my current 105G Macro and get the 85/1.8S prime. Then I'd be pretty much done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Then I'd be pretty much done.


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    Re: Nikon Z lens roadmap

    It would be nice if they could make one of the macros (the 50/60mm?) an f/2 1:2 lens (like the Zeiss Milvus etc.). I have found those "half macros" to be perfect travel lenses for general photography and for the occasional close-up of food etc.

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    Re: Nikon Z lens roadmap

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    It would be nice if they could make one of the macros (the 50/60mm?) an f/2 1:2 lens (like the Zeiss Milvus etc.). I have found those "half macros" to be perfect travel lenses for general photography and for the occasional close-up of food etc.
    I think there is a 60mm Macro on the Z lens roadmap, so that might be it!

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    It would be nice when the long expected update for the Micro Nikkor 200/4.0 will be a Z version...
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    Re: Nikon Z lens roadmap

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I am definitely most interested in the 100-400 and the 1.4TC.

    Very interesting is also the 14-24/2.8 if it allows screw in filters - which I somewhere read it should.
    It might, but it's hard to tell. Nikon Rumors has a larger perspective view here: https://nikonrumors.com/2020/07/21/t...-roadmap.aspx/

    I'm disappointed they didn't release the 14-24 and 50mm 1.2. Oh well, back to the waiting game. At least we have a shipping date for the 70-200mm.

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