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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

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    One from me
    I don't understand this sign, if Anyone understand it, please translate it for me
    thx u.

    It says something about who donated (Dr. C.J.K van Aalst), and 2-liner career resume. (Someone who actually knows Dutch can probably be more precise.)

    Here he is:

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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    AlexLF, The photo of Red Square is stunning!

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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Wow, that's interesting... I find I have *significantly* more total DR out of my MF back than any DSLR file I've played with, including the 1Ds3, D3x and A900, given each is properly exposed to begin with.
    Jack, in terms of f-stops, what would be the increase in DR of a P25/45+ compared to a Canon 1Ds3 ?

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    Thanks for your responses! I'll be posting some more pics later when they're ready (I'm trying to understand and use everything I've read from Dan Margulis book "Professional Photoshop: The Classic Guide to Color Correction"...).

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    Thx Lars, that's translation is already good enough for me
    one pic from D3X iso 800



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    Nice shot Andree!
    Looks like you are enjoying your new 80 Lux.
    I like the smooth sharpness of this lens and the
    beautiful skin tones. Usual great Leica color in the dress.
    This shot looks to be around f4?
    How do you like the lens wide open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayne_s View Post
    Nice shot Andree!
    Looks like you are enjoying your new 80 Lux.
    I like the smooth sharpness of this lens and the
    beautiful skin tones. Usual great Leica color in the dress.
    This shot looks to be around f4?
    How do you like the lens wide open?
    Hi Wayne, glad that u like the pic
    it was taken using F2- F2.5
    this lens is a bit weird, from F1.4 - F2 the result is a bit glowing, not pin sharp (but with superb bokeh..!!)
    however, starting from F2.5 and above, this lens will give a super sharp result

    these 2 was taken using F2




    this @F1.4


    I really want to try LEICA 90/2 APO and compare the result with this lens at F2...
    Need to start saving money >_<
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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    Stay with the 80 lux it has a look the 90 cron will not give you. The 90 cron is more clinical in look but it is sharp as a razor wide open. The 80 lux at F2 it starts to come alive and at 2.8 it's very sharp but at 1.4 it has the glow. For models and fashion I would stay with the 80 lux myself. Even F4 on a 80 lux is a sweet Fstop
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    Hi Guy!
    thank a lot for the information.
    sometime when i look at the result from LUX 80/1.4 @F2, I'm a bit disappointed due to not too sharp. However, when I look at the image + the bokeh, the result is very interesting. I really like the look from it

    I wish lux 80/1.4 is as sharp as 90/2 APO at @F2
    anyway, here is a simple shot that I took this morning using LUX 80/1.4 at wide open



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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    Andree, that 80 Lux looks great at f2, internal vignetting is mostly gone so background bokeh is more symmetrical across the image circle. I'd say it's more important to pay attention to the background at f1.4 than at f2, especially at night where you have specular light sources against a dark background. OTOH as you point out at f1.4 it has that glow softness around the plane of focus which is eliminated when stopping down.
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    Hi Lars.
    Thx for the tips
    I need to learn more about this lens. Need to get familiar with it's character.
    Btw, here is a snap shot that I took this afternoon.
    @F1.4



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    Here's the classic one from Moscow (1/250, f/8, 24-70 lens):


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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    Any time soon we will see a D700X or however they will call it?

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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Any time soon we will see a D700X or however they will call it?
    I wouldn't hold your breath ...


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    I've also been shooting with the D3X since January or so - as mentioned elsewhere here it's really been a joy to use and in practice it's identical to using the D3. What you do have to watch out for is the glass quality as it is brutal with anything less than excellent glass and technique. The D3/D700 and D3x complement each other and I don't consider the D3x to be a replacement for the D3. The D3 is a more flexible camera with more DR flexibility and high ISO/low light performance. The D3x provides the pixel resolution that I've been missing since shooting LF, 6x7 and exceeds the performance I was getting a while back with a Kodak DCS 645M/Mamiya AFD II combo (no surprise there really I guess).

    The frame rate at 14bits is significantly slower. However, this really isn't a problem for the landscape type of shooting that I bought it for.

    I ignored all the bleeting about price/D700x/etc etc - I wanted a high resolution platform that supported my body of Nikon & Zeiss ZF glass which made it a no-brainer decision.

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    I have both the D3 and the D3x and agree with the other comments. It's much easier to be wowed by the D3's high ISO capability than by the D3x's high resolution - the D3's performance is more accessible but I'm not the first to find the images out of the D3 a bit soft out of the camera. The D3x fixes that and having two cameras which are so close ergonomically makes good sense.

    The D3x really only comes into its own with the best glass and a tripod and I have not yet got into Zeiss and Leica R; whatever the merits of putting an 80mm Summilux on the camera, going back to a manual diaphragm does seem a retrograde step.

    Main impact of using the D3x is the increased storage requirements because the files are so big and I've had to buy another NAS RAID box - ReadyNAS PRO with 6 * 1.5Tb drives, recommended.

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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    I sold my D3 and bought a 5DII.
    Still trying to figure out if that was a good thing.
    I would have bought a D700x, but oh well...
    Still, The Canon just does not handle like a Nikon. I it is a bit awkward and had an awful stupid mode dial which does nothing but get in the way, but The Canon lenses are promising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marknorton View Post
    The D3x really only comes into its own with the best glass and a tripod and I have not yet got into Zeiss and Leica R; whatever the merits of putting an 80mm Summilux on the camera, going back to a manual diaphragm does seem a retrograde step.
    .
    I guess that where the Sony comes in with its Zeiss glass. I have heard the same comments from a friend regarding Nikkors and D3x, he ended up with some new Zeiss ZF glass in thed but is bitching about mf and like you he feels that its a step backwards too. This is were he draws the line though and wont consider having to manually stop down converted Leica lenses.

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    In my personal opinion.
    D3X is harder to handle compare to D3.
    I got more "blur" picture rate from Nikon D3X
    Shooting with Leica 80/1.4 at 1/80 sec, ended up with some blur pics.

    This never happened before when i was shooting with Nikon D3 + Zeiss 85/1.4 at 1/80 sec.
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    You are much more likely to suffer from blur handheld with the D3x due to the smaller sensor size and increased pixel density. Any minor movement will be picked up by adjoining sensors and rendered in the final image where with larger pixels the movement may not have rendered on adjoining sensors. Net result is more blur for the same absolute movement of the lens/image.

    I prefer to use my D3/D700 for handheld work. D3x almost forces tripod use if you want critical sharpness regardless of the glass being used.

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    Yes Graham, I agree with u.
    I need to Improve my handheld technique with Nikon D3X >_<
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    I switched to D3x from Canon 5D. And the D3x is my first Nikon. The reason I did this was to get a camera for landscapes (mostly) that would replace my large format Linhof. I knew it would not be fully equal replacement so I decided to make a gallery size print (60*90 cm) from D3x's file (which I downloaded from the Internet). When I get this print I was amazed with the quality - and I hadn't done any PP on that file.

    I'm not going to sell my Linhof - it's still a great camera that helps to make very good prints! But there are lots of moments when it's very difficult to use LF camera even when I'm prepared for landscape photography.

    I could buy 1DsIII but its images were just ... not good enough. Same with 5DII.

    Now, I'm really glad I made that move.As I said - the camera is a joy!

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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    B&H just dropped the D3X price to $7,395. USD.

    Which to me means under $7K can't be far off. If some retailer gets it to $6,500 or so then we'll see more of this camera I think.

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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    B&H just dropped the D3X price to $7,395. USD.

    Which to me means under $7K can't be far off. If some retailer gets it to $6,500 or so then we'll see more of this camera I think.
    At this point I'd write any price adjustments off as currency-related rather than competition related. These days the USD moves up and down 5% more or less on a weekly basis. You'd almost think it was weather-related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    At this point I'd write any price adjustments off as currency-related rather than competition related. These days the USD moves up and down 5% more or less on a weekly basis. You'd almost think it was weather-related.
    That may or may not be true ... but what is true is how relevant it is in relationship to other selections under consideration. If the others don't also drop in price the same %, then currency flux is irrelevant to the buyer.

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    Yep agreed. As a comparison, best store price here in Stockholm is fairly stable at 68000 SEK which today equals about $6758 before sales tax. Great, I mean good price for businesses which do not pay sales tax. Consumers pay 25% sales tax on top of that, making it $8447.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexLF View Post
    I switched to D3x from Canon 5D. And the D3x is my first Nikon. The reason I did this was to get a camera for landscapes (mostly) that would replace my large format Linhof. I knew it would not be fully equal replacement so I decided to make a gallery size print (60*90 cm) from D3x's file (which I downloaded from the Internet). When I get this print I was amazed with the quality - and I hadn't done any PP on that file.

    I'm not going to sell my Linhof - it's still a great camera that helps to make very good prints! But there are lots of moments when it's very difficult to use LF camera even when I'm prepared for landscape photography.

    I could buy 1DsIII but its images were just ... not good enough. Same with 5DII.

    Now, I'm really glad I made that move.As I said - the camera is a joy!
    A D3X has a nice number of MPs but cannot replace a MF camera due to several reasons, which are commonly well known and do not need to be repeated here again.

    And just to throw my opinion in - I switched from Nikon (D3) to Canon 5D2 because of the IQ. And I did not like the D3X files. And I also like the Canon glass more.

    So you see this is rather everything subjective - is'nt it?

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    Good Afternoon guys!
    last sunday I went out to take pics of my friend
    Now i want to share the pics here
    (all pictures were taken using D3X + Lux 80/1.4) @F1.4 + RAW 14 BIT mode






    @F2.5 - F2.8





    I will add more pictures later

    thx for looking
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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    Nice shots Andree. In #1 and #2, how do you feel about how the camera/lens handled the overexposed area just behind the model? From here it looks pretty good, though #2 seems about 1 stop more exposed than #1, with more blown highlights as a result.

    I'm going to keep bugging you about using f/2 on that lens from time to time, hope you don't mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    Nice shots Andree. In #1 and #2, how do you feel about how the camera/lens handled the overexposed area just behind the model? From here it looks pretty good, though #2 seems about 1 stop more exposed than #1, with more blown highlights as a result.

    I'm going to keep bugging you about using f/2 on that lens from time to time, hope you don't mind.

    Hi Lars!
    About your question of how this camera handled the overexposed area, i'll be honest with you. I'm not the expert on this one, however, I will try to make a comment base only from my experience

    No.1 for sure, Sony A900 can handle OE area much better than Nikon D3X
    It's not easy to get blown-out area on A900, whereas on Nikon D3X is just like nikon D3 or D700. i don't see any improvement on Dynamic Range on nikon D3X at all..!
    I dont know, how come on DXO website, they put nikon D3X's DR is higher than D3 or D700

    Talking about taking picture using F2 - F2.8
    Actually I did take some picture using F2 - F2.8
    on those pictures, one of them were taken using F2.5 or F2.8 (Picture No.3)
    Dont worry, I promise I will add more picture later with some images that taken using F2 - F2.8

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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    Quote Originally Posted by deepdiver View Post
    I dont know, how come on DXO website, they put nikon D3X's DR is higher than D3 or D700
    My guess is that for the D3x Nikon placed full exposure to get more shadow latitude whereas highlight latitude is unchanged (vs D3/D700). A900 might have more highlight latitude? I'd be interested in hearing Douglas' comments on that, if he listens in on this thread.
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    Re: No reports here on the D3x

    OK Lars, here is the one that I promised u
    Summilux 80/1.4 at F2.8 on D3X
    directly from the camera

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    I will add my .01 cents but i'm a relatively new member so be nice . Great discussion on the D3x and it's competitors. I have had a D3x since the day before it was officially shipped and have been using it side-by-side on many projects with H3DII-39, D3 and 1Ds3 (a few M8 comparisons as well). I have been a long-time Canon user, F1 and digital from D30 onward and a long-time Nikon user since the F2. I am pretty neutral on gear and easily switch platforms as needs arise.

    I do like the ergonomics of the Nikon bodies a lot better than the Canon, I have never been able to warm up to the Canon EOS UI (yet the F1 was an extension of my hand and eye in it's day). Using the D3x is very similar to the D3, however it is slower, albeit faster handling than the H3, but not by much (as others have already posted). One area where Nikon really went backwards with the D3 and D3x is they changed the beautiful large histogram display they used to have on the D2 and earlier cameras.

    Image quality is first rate, the D3x is probably the best IQ right out of the camera of any 35mm DSLR currently in production, clients like it a lot more than the 1Ds3 (this is subjective for sure but hey, they pay for the gear really so what they think is reality This is a small sample since most clients do not really seem to care these days but i was surprised that it was consistent.

    After a lot of scientific and subjective evaluation under a range of conditions I have to say the 1Ds3 and the D3x are very close - with an edge to the D3x. The 14-bit DR of the D3x at 100 or 200 ISO is better than the 1Ds3 by at least a stop, at 400 ISO and above they match up closely. At higher ISO they both start losing DR and color fidelity. We have had access to multiple 1Ds3 and D3x bodies via work and have tested color response in gory detail, the 1Ds3 bodies have uneven color performance but this is easily fixed in post processing, not to start an argument since they are both really good but the scientific tests show some issues for Canon, green response seems typically weak. The D3x and D3 with the default settings seem to over-saturate reds, this is easily fixed with camera settings. The H3 still leads the pack on every IQ measure except noise. I have been doing my own pixel binning (as recently announced by Phase in their P45 Sensor+) in black and white and color for years now and it can make a significant improvement in noise at higher ISO, clearly this technology is going to migrate into future generations of Canon and Nikon high end cameras so that we will not have to decide between a D3 and a D3x. Binning has been used in astrophotography for decades and yes it is hard to get it right and the Phase solution seems very clever.

    With respect to sensor innovation that is a complex subject (I used to be in the semiconductor industry - so i know enough to be really really dangerous . Canon does not make all of their own sensors and neither does Nikon. The Nikon sensor is not the Sony sensor although it is made on the same fab and it is a common photosite design, the die and the lithography for both are different although clearly Sony and Nikon collaborated on the two designs. Nikon also uses two other companies for their fabrication as does Canon. The next Nikon sensor could just as well come from the Renesas fab or the Sony fab or even a third-party. There are a lot of older lines that could be easily repurposed for making CMOS image sensors. I have seen a Nikon stepper at all of the major production fabs - Nikon, Canon and ASML are the leaders in the lithography field and they now have steppers that can cover the size of full-frame 35mm CMOS sensors in one pass with no stitching.

    CMOS image sensors are built on older fab lines so they are very profitable, even with a 200mm (8 inch) die you get 20 full frame sensors per die, which might seem low, but the die are relatively small and thus relatively inexpensive, the geometries are pretty relaxed as well (meaning the features or transistors are not very small relative to what is needed to make memory chips or microprocessors), what all this means is that even a 21- or 24-megapixel sensor is no where near the state-of-the-art in semiconductor fabrication. They are very profitable chips for a chip manufacturer to produce! I know of a few independent fab lines that are retooling to make full-frame CMOS image sensors. My bet is that we are going to see some significant price drops in APS-C or DX as well as full frame CMOS image sensors in the next year, especially in the full frame, 12- to 18-megapixel range.

    I have visited both cmpanies and they are similar in capability, both companies get a lot of hard core research design work done at US universities. I would say Canon has a slight edge in the image processing pipeline and they have been able to integrate more functions into larger processing chip. Both companies use DSP engine pipelines designed by outside sources. Nikon has a smaller engineering team than Canon. The Canon team designs a lot more camera sensors. There is some amazing work being done by both teams and their research partners.

    I like the ergonomic consistency of the Canon L-glass more than the Nikon high-end glass, you get used to it but the Canon lens ergonomics seem better while the Nikon camera body ergonomics seem better - for me.

    The performance of the Nikon 14-24 is currently ahead of the Canon wides (prime or zoom). The Canon 24-70 and the Nikon 24-70 are both excellent with a slight edge to the Nikon (real MTF tests using Imatest). The Canon 70-200 is superior to the Nikon 70-200, i guess no surprise there . The Nikon 200-400 is going to be one of the great lenses of all time.

    The Canon line up is more rounded out and Nikon needs to address good fast primes as well as a new 70-200. The D3x taxes all lenses that are put in front of it and as others have already said your shooting technique must be careful and steady. I find the same issue with the 1Ds3 but it is a bit more forgiving. My experience is that the D3x needs a sturdy tripod and head, mirror lock up and a cable release or steadier hands than i now have.

    How sturdy for the D3x is interesting. I started out using my Gitzo 5540 with an Arca Swiss Z1. I have since switched to a Gitzo 3530 with either a Novaflex ball head (Classic 5) or the "evil" Multiflex Arca Swiss cube knock off. What i found was that the Z1 was the culprit for transmitting vibration and not the tripod, this was a quite a surprise. We did extensive testing with a laser pointer and a precision target. There was virtually no difference between the 5540 and the 3530 with the Novaflex or Multiflex heads, although the 5540 might fare better in high winds. The other finding was that the 4-section 3540 did not do as well as the 3-section 3530.

    I know i need to get off my rear and get some photos posted - i'll learn how to do that soon i promise I have been meaning to post some images to the "fun with x" threads.

    Competition is good and we now have a "real" race between Canon and Nikon - that is good for everyone in both user communities; just like we've had with the race between Phase and Hasselblad. Where it sorts out for me is that i do not use the 1Ds3. The D3x and D3 have nudged out the H3 but by a slim margin and it is still just about 50-50.

    The D3x is worth every penny and i believe it has pretty much paid for itself in productivity and sheer joy of use. The images have a magic to them that is hard to describe, different than the D3 or D700. That magic can be seen in either Lightroom or Aperture but i like the RAW conversions in Aperture better this week (this changes as new versions emerge). The images sharpen well and print large will little effort, ISO 200 is the sweet spot of course. As a point of reference for my comments my work with the D3x is either landscape "fine art - if i may be allowed to use that term", "commercial" product or scientific "documentary". I know little about fashion, weddings or portrait (although i have done post processing work for others in those fields). I also love street photography but for me that is rangefinder land.

    The 1Ds3 is a fantastic camera and it was also close to $8K when it first came out. For ultimate IQ the MF systems still win by a safe margin, but if i were just starting out the D3x and D3 might be a better path than MF to start, but if one wants the best IQ i suspect one would still end up with a MF Phase or Hasselblad if finances permit. The A900 and 5D2 are excellent values. Nikon clearly needs a D700x in the market soon, my guess is mid- to late-2010 at the same price point as the A900 and 5D2 will be at that time. It is interesting that the 24-mp sensor R&D will likely be well amortized in that same time-frame.

    I can't wait to see what the Leica S2 will do to- and in-the-market.

    YMMV and i hope my comments add to the discourse in a positive way and my apologies for the length of this post.

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    This is from 9th May parade preparations. I spent 2 hours yesterday but couldn't wait till some serious weapon

    D3x and 24-70 lens, ISO 200-1100:










    Hopefully today I'll catch some big fish...

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennedens View Post

    I can't wait to see what the Leica S2 will do to- and in-the-market.

    YMMV and i hope my comments add to the discourse in a positive way and my apologies for the length of this post.

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    I'll second that: indeed an excellent and informative post. Very interesting, Glenn !
    Please teach us all you know about sensor technology - in digestible pieces
    As sensor development must be the most crucial part of digital photo technology I hope for some great evolutions / revolutions in that area in a hopefully not too distant future
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    Glenn - excellent. Thank you VERY much - highly informative, objective and well written (not to mention nice gear closet ;>).

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    Andree (deepdiver) - those D3X girl pictures look absolutely great ! ... though I think Lars' request was for some more f2 shots
    I'm just kidding here, I know you have already shown us some excellent f2 shots as well with the Summilux R 1.4/80 on page 3, definitely looks like an exquisite camera + lens combination

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    Glenn,
    Welcome to the forum. I appreciate such a thoughtful and informative report and look forward to more posts from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondo View Post
    Andree (deepdiver) - those D3X girl pictures look absolutely great ! ... though I think Lars' request was for some more f2 shots
    I'm just kidding here, I know you have already shown us some excellent f2 shots as well with the Summilux R 1.4/80 on page 3, definitely looks like an exquisite camera + lens combination
    Yeah, thanks for posting Andree - more is always better - it's just me but to me the 80 Lux adds too much background bokeh character wide open. transition from focus plane to out of focus is exquisit at 1.4 though - glow - great for full-face portraits. May I also say that you are truly talented in picking your subjects.
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    This is from 9th May parade preparations. I spent 2 hours yesterday but couldn't wait till some serious weapon
    Hopefully today I'll catch some big fish...
    Hi Alex,
    It seems that in Russia the big fish want to let the small fish know who's still running the show...

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    Wasn't the parade in Soviet times a propaganda show of 'look how strong we are' for civilian solidarity in the race for the might of arms? Seems little has changed, it's a shame.
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    Glen: Ditto the kudos, well written comparisons between top systems -- -- and welcome to the forum!
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    Alex,

    Nice series, look forward to more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Wasn't the parade in Soviet times a propaganda show of 'look how strong we are' for civilian solidarity in the race for the might of arms? Seems little has changed, it's a shame.
    I guess everybody's doing their own propaganda. It just differs tools-wise... I see it from inside that it's a good thing compared to what we had in 90's. And definitely better from what we had before that (the Soviet times).

    As to 'look how strong we are' I don't agree because in Soviet times you couldn't read or hear about internal problems - everything was perfect on TV and other media. Nobody admitted publicly we had problems and nobody tried to solve them. And overall the USSR was isolated world. Now we're far more integrated to the other world. We're still in the "middle phase" between what we had and what should be. But everybody agrees on that 'what should be' - from the bottom to the top. There's a problem with how to get there, as always. But that's local and it's OK.

    Off-topic: I remember when I was a 13 y.o. kid and I drew the name of the metal band 'Motley Crew' on the pavement and my older friends (15-16 y.o.) told me 'Hey! That's dangerous, you could have problems with that drawing'. If I tell this story to a kid from today he wouldn't understand. Even to me it's funny to remember.

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    I guess everybody's doing their own propaganda. It just differs tools-wise... I see it from inside that it's a good thing compared to what we had in 90's. And definitely better from what we had before that (the Soviet times).

    As to 'look how strong we are' I don't agree because in Soviet times you couldn't read or hear about internal problems - everything was perfect on TV and other media. Nobody admitted publicly we had problems and nobody tried to solve them. And overall the USSR was isolated world. Now we're far more integrated to the other world. We're still in the "middle phase" between what we had and what should be. But everybody agrees on that 'what should be' - from the bottom to the top. There's a problem with how to get there, as always. But that's local and it's OK.

    Off-topic: I remember when I was a 13 y.o. kid and I drew the name of the metal band 'Motley Crew' on the pavement and my older friends (15-16 y.o.) told me 'Hey! That's dangerous, you could have problems with that drawing'. If I tell this story to a kid from today he wouldn't understand. Even to me it's funny to remember.
    One thing for sure, you wouldn't have been able to get a D3X in the old days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    One thing for sure, you wouldn't have been able to get a D3X in the old days!
    Or use it as you did photographing this parade. Please keep the beautiful pictures coming from Moscow and Andree, please keep showing us your "new friends".

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    This is from 9th May parade preparations. I spent 2 hours yesterday but couldn't wait till some serious weapon

    D3x and 24-70 lens, ISO 200-1100:










    Hopefully today I'll catch some big fish...
    These images are the closest I have seen from a 35mm DSLR to a MFDB. Even here on the web the quality of these files are just superb. Makes me really want to get a D3X and use my great Nikon and Zeiss ZF lenses with it.

    Great stuff Alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    These images are the closest I have seen from a 35mm DSLR to a MFDB. Even here on the web the quality of these files are just superb......
    Woody - With respect; I can't see how anyone can make such a call from small J-pegs crushed into a cramped Colour Space and viewed in a Web Browser. In all honesty the pictures don't reveal anything to me about the camera's imaging qualities; at that size - how could they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris C View Post
    Woody - With respect; I can't see how anyone can make such a call from small J-pegs crushed into a cramped Colour Space and viewed in a Web Browser. In all honesty the pictures don't reveal anything to me about the camera's imaging qualities; at that size - how could they?

    ............. Chris
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    Of course one cannot determine anything quantitatively about the file quality from a jpeg posted on the web but there is an overall look to the images (see the mist from the tires of the truck) that approaches the rendition of MFDB. Most 35 DSLRs do not produce this look IMHO.

    But by all means draw your own conclusions or draw none at all. This is just my take and personal opinion. I am not trying to influence others as to the quality of the D3X, just stating what I see from it. What it does is make me want to try it for myself and draw a final conclusion from printing large.......as I always do.

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