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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    I'm just Teasing

    and am near to buying at the matsuiyastore
    They have 4 in stock ....between that & the Dp1
    This is my mind as to which way to go......
    All the Best, H


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    Re: is an Epson RD-1 still a viable option?

    There is one in the classifieds over at Rangefinder Forum .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShiroKuro View Post
    There is one in the classifieds over at Rangefinder Forum .....
    saw that. quite a history on it as well!!!

    do you have one, Charley?

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    Re: is an Epson RD-1 still a viable option?

    No ..... But a have been thinking about it.... I have been pretty content with my M6 and Ricoh GRD2 ..I also have recently picked up a Ricoh GR1s... but I get that itch for a Digital Rangefinder ..... I will more than likely hold out until I can afford an M8 ..... I am off to Japan in a few hours so we will see what happens ..... new camera ,lens or film scanner ...... with the DP1 ,the new Olympus with the pancake lens and the Nikon D300 .... am sort of conflicted - I never thought I would like digital as much as I do .... Plenty of camera stores in Tokyo so I will have a chance to try a few out ....... ; )
    Enjoy NY and your new camera ..... as I am sure one will find its way into your hands ...

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    bad bad bad! i remember now why i stayed away from the M8. it wasn't just the cost of the camera, i knew i'd become obsessed with lenses... currently have a huge hankering for an older 35 or 50 LUX... there's just something about the way it draws, especially the 35mm. i'm doomed...

    but i got the camera

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    bad bad bad! i remember now why i stayed away from the M8. it wasn't just the cost of the camera, i knew i'd become obsessed with lenses... currently have a huge hankering for an older 35 or 50 LUX... there's just something about the way it draws, especially the 35mm. i'm doomed...

    but i got the camera
    yes dear, welcome

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    Mazel tov, Cam!

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    Re: is an Epson RD-1 still a viable option?

    Maggie!!! I just sent you a PM trying to see if all was OK. Glad you are back!

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    i wish i could have a hen night with you two and talk lens! couple glasses of wine, fondling of cameras, nad you'd give me the skinny on lenses...

    tell me! what is the one lens that is just the cat's meow?

    which were disappointments?

    which are perfectly acceptable and not that much $$$?

    sigh... so much more fun in person...

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    CAM,
    Is the camera coming to me? Why don't you stop by on Tuesday or Wednesday evening and we can go through all the lenses I have and you can see size weight etc.

    Here is my stash
    Leica
    21 f2.8 Asph
    28 f2.0 Asph
    35 f2.0 version IV
    50 f1.4 last pre asph version
    50 f2.0 current
    90 f2.5

    CV
    12
    21 f4
    28 f3.5
    35 f2.5
    75 f2.5

    LOL - this might take a while !!!! Don't worry, I'm well stocked with wine. You will have to stop midway cross country to check out Maggie's stash. I think she and I don't really overlap on CV lenses.

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    Yeah.....Congrats !!!!!!!
    and you're NOW entering the land of Glass Addiction.......
    best, H

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    i was hoping it would go to you, but haven't heard the final word... i think i might have to wait until i hit california

    originally, my BF wanted to drive cross-country, but i talked him out of it. my only regret was that i wouldn't get to see Maggie (as that was a must stop if we did the drive) we will do the drive from northern ca to souther ca, though, and i'm definitely planning on visiting Sean in Carmel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    Yeah.....Congrats !!!!!!!
    and you're NOW entering the land of Glass Addiction.......
    best, H
    have you discovered how gorgeous yours is? or does the flu still have you in it's clutches???

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    Congratlations Cam
    I hope you're very happy together!

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    CAM,

    Leica
    21 f2.8 Asph
    28 f2.0 Asph
    35 f2.0 version IV
    50 f1.4 last pre asph version
    50 f2.0 current
    90 f2.5

    CV
    12
    21 f4
    28 f3.5
    35 f2.5
    75 f2.5
    Deary me Terry. I didn't know you'd been that naughty!

    but I think I've got 11 too:

    Lieca
    WATE
    28 elmarit
    35 asph Cron
    50 Noctilux
    50 Cron
    75 Cron
    90 elmarit

    Zeiss
    25 biogon
    50 sonnar

    CV
    15
    28 Ultron

    Ho hum, which are your favorites. For me?
    leica 35 cron
    zeiss 50 sonnar
    leica 75 cron

    Just this guy you know

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Congratlations Cam
    I hope you're very happy together!



    Deary me Terry. I didn't know you'd been that naughty!

    but I think I've got 11 too:

    Lieca
    WATE
    28 elmarit
    35 asph Cron
    50 Noctilux
    50 Cron
    75 Cron
    90 elmarit

    Zeiss
    25 biogon
    50 sonnar

    CV
    15
    28 Ultron

    Ho hum, which are your favorites. For me?
    leica 35 cron
    zeiss 50 sonnar
    leica 75 cron
    thank you! (and Maggie! and Terry! and Helen!)

    may i be so bold to ask why you prefer those you do? i realise its subjective, but i'm interested... why the 50 Zeiss over the 50 cron or Noctilux, for instance?

    we'll get together when i get back to Paris, too, Mr. E. i want to see your big one

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    CAM - I'll work on that.

    Jono - but I haven't sold as many as you....seriously I started with CV's and then got GAS and switched over to Leica lenses and have been a little lazy on the selling. My first two lenses were the CV35 and CV75 and I have some wonderful images with them and emotionally can't give them up just yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    thank you! (and Maggie! and Terry! and Helen!)

    may i be so bold to ask why you prefer those you do? i realise its subjective, but i'm interested... why the 50 Zeiss over the 50 cron or Noctilux, for instance?

    we'll get together when i get back to Paris, too, Mr. E. i want to see your big one
    Hi Cam
    Well, the noctilux is lovely, but it's big, and people do respond. The Zeiss has the same dreamy feel about it wide open (f1.5), but it's really very small, and doesn't intrude in the viewfinder at all. It's not noticed.

    Added to which, the Noctilux is perfectly respectable shut down, but the soft old sonnar turns to a razor blade by f5.6. So it's an oddity, old fashioned until f4, modern from f5.6 up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    have you discovered how gorgeous yours is? or does the flu still have you in it's clutches???
    Helen,
    The only thing I can fathom from this statement is that you ended up buying an RD1 ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Helen,
    The only thing I can fathom from this statement is that you ended up buying an RD1 ???
    Well Terry
    I'm not a sensible Gal
    I played the WILD CARD

    and got the DP1
    even though for the longest time I abhorred its sense of color.........
    BUT
    what inspired me beside the medium sensor in a compact body
    was the Great Work here (Cam,Will,Brian,David......)
    so I took the PLUNGE
    and now my GRD2 has a new companion
    and in September the M8
    (but yes sometimes the Lust Bug RD1 bites)
    See y'all Tomorrow
    Best, H

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    Re: is an Epson RD-1 still a viable option?

    I've got all CV glass:

    15 f4.0
    21 f4.0
    28 f1.9
    28 f3.5
    35 f1.4
    35 f1.7
    35 f2.5
    50 f2.0

    Wow, that's a lot of glass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    I've got all CV glass:

    15 f4.0
    21 f4.0
    28 f1.9
    28 f3.5
    35 f1.4
    35 f1.7
    35 f2.5
    50 f2.0

    Wow, that's a lot of glass!
    Hi Maggie - but so sensible and concise!
    Helen - enjoy your DP1. I'd be tempted, but I've sworn I won't use ANYTHING which won't go into Aperture - when there is a dng converter for the sigma I might think about it

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    Mr E., who knew you were such a poet? you've got me madly in love* with the sonnar now... sigh. is yours an older one or the newer one that's been focused to 1.5?

    and, Maggie, bless you! you are one of the few people on flickr that actually let me see the picture BIG so i can really study effects of the lenses... then i have to remind myself that you're using the elegant M8, so i have to take that into account...

    thus far on my lust list now is the 35 Summilux and, thanks to Jono, the 50 Sonnar. in both cases for me, dream on!

    on the practical side, i've been intrigued by the 40/1.4 Nokton that i see no one here has. i've seen some very dreamy pastels possible with this lens, that is very out of the norm... and then there's the single coated version which is supposed to be superb for b/w.

    has anyone ever tried a single coated lens? pros/cons, etc?


    * this is a question for Mr. E, who i promised i'd not propose to anybody else after he'd found i'd already popped the question to Maggie -- do lenses count?

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    Maggie, bless you! you are one of the few people on flickr that actually let me see the picture BIG so i can really study effects of the lenses... then i have to remind myself that you're using the elegant M8, so i have to take that into account...
    Well, as Sean showed in his test of my Nokton 35/1.4, the lens matters LOTS.

    The RD-1s does not have 40mm framelines, whereas it does have 35mm framelines. You might consider the Nokton 35/1.4 instead, as it comes in both SC and MC.

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    thanks, Maggie. i'm giving myself a headache with all this and i don't even have the camera yet... i'm going to be testing it out with the lens i get with it -- the 21mm (using the built in 28 lines as i'm loathe to put the VF on this (though it *is* part of the package). so you're probably right about the 40mm... LCT is doing tests in the other thread and the Nokton is certainly holding it's own. still, there's something about the Lux that draws me, especially people shots... sigh. this is such a slippery road...

    (Helen -- stop laughing!!! i know you're lurking out there!)

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    IIRC, the Lux is exponentially more expensive than the Nokton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    IIRC, the Lux is exponentially more expensive than the Nokton.
    don't i know it! (at least i'm lusting after a pre-asph)

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    Re: is an Epson RD-1 still a viable option?

    and then there's the size difference... sometimes smaller is better.

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    Cam Ś

    "The RD-1s does not have 40mm framelines, whereas it does have 35mm framelines. You might consider the Nokton 35/1.4 instead, as it comes in both SC and MC."

    My 40/2 Rokkor fits the outside edges of the RD1's 35mm frame lines perfectly, however, so don't rule a 40 out! (the Rokkor's a lovelly lens, too: no flare when taking a couple directly in front of a frosted glass window!!

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irenaeus View Post
    My 40/2 Rokkor fits the outside edges of the RD1's 35mm frame lines perfectly, however, so don't rule a 40 out! (the Rokkor's a lovelly lens, too: no flare when taking a couple directly in front of a frosted glass window!!
    Irenaeus,

    thank you! i have been reading up and looking at that lens as well. it looks quite sweet! (can you put up an example, btw?) so many decisions when i initially get the camera it will be with a 21/2.8 M Elmarit pre-ASPH so i'll probably be able to tell if the frame difference drives me mad (though i realise this is more radical)... can i have one of everything?

    i'm just dying to get my hands on this now and looks like i'll have to wait until saturday

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    Don't know if it may help but.... Cam, you liked 28mm lenses when you used film if i remember well, so a 21 sounds a great idea from this viewpoint. But there is another way to consider i feel. A 28 with crop factor remains a cropped 28, not a 42. You see what i mean? The field of view is cropped by the APS sensor but otherwise the lens behaves like a 28. So you could possibly be happy with a 28 again in spite of the cropped FoV.
    Anyway, here is my general advise FWIW:
    - If you can afford one lens, take a 35 or a 40 (Summicron-C 40/2 pic below, very close to the Rokkor 40 with a slighty less yellowish tint).
    - If you can afford 2 lenses, take a 28 and a 50; i do 90% of my Epson pics with that combo.
    - If you can afford 3 lenses, take a 21, a 28 and a 50.
    Just my two cents...




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    Cam Ś

    I'd be happy to share a few 40/2 photos with you. It's early days yet for me with the RD1, though, so I have no tripod mounted, controlled test images. The handheld ones that might be interesting to you are of recognizable people. I don't feel free to post them, therefore, and was not able to attach them a PM for you. If you'd like to send me a PM with an e-mail address, I'll send them on; if not, that's okay, too.

    Waiting is hard, isn't it?

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    Another 40 pic with the Summicron-C 40/2 @ f/2.
    Great lens indeed.




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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    Mr E., who knew you were such a poet? you've got me madly in love* with the sonnar now... sigh. is yours an older one or the newer one that's been focused to 1.5?
    Sorry - slow off the mark here.
    It's a modern one f1.5 (and not that expensive either). I love it, and on the Epson it'll make a nice portrait lens.

    Generally speaking i agree with LCT about the lenses; get a 21, 28, 50, and I wouldn't worry too much about them being leica. I think I might get the CV 21, not sure which 28 (didn't like the ultron . . . wanna buy mine cheap?) and the 50 sonnar.

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    You could make a world-class kit of Voigtlńnder Color-Skopar lenses: 21/4, 28/3.5, 50/2.5, all for the price of a single Leica lens.

    I love the look of my two Ultrons (28/1.9 and 35/1.7) and my only niggle is the 28's relatively large size.

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    Sure no need to spend little fortunes to get good results with the R-D1.
    Here's a great affordable combo with a CV 21/4 P (a good anti-vignette software is mandatory, like Silkypix), a M-Rokkor 28/2.8 (beware of white spots on the glass if any) and a vintage Summicron-M 50/2 from the seventies.
    Pics 2 & 3 are from the Summicron, 4 & 5 from the Rokkor, with the R-D1 of course.










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    thank you all for the feedback! i am still fairly delirious from jet-lag (24+ hours being awake) so have no coherent thoughts... will have to chew on this when i settle down...

    LCT -- is that Honfleur?

    Irenaeus -- thank you so much for the pics. they were wonderful and just what i wanted to see!

    other than the fact that my arm is fairly screaming from the pain of over-shooting yesterday, i am getting a much better idea of the lapses in my current arsenal. NYC is just a blast to shoot and i got quite a few wonderful ones on my GRDII (28mm), but only did so because it was around my neck or from the hip, shooting blind. (wish i had the R-D1 here but truly enjoyed my small sensor yesterday to its fullest.) a larger camera would definitely need to be shorter... and i need fast for night shots, most definitely!

    kind of freaking out over all because yesterday i came out with images i'm going to want to keep in colour too (something i almost never do) so everything is now topsy-turvy in coating thoughts as well.

    keep any more thoughts and photos coming as once i settle down with the cam i will be obsessed once again.

    i truly appreciate it all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    ...LCT -- is that Honfleur?...
    Yes indeed. Another one from there with the Rokkor 28. I'm not a Minolta rep i promise but i've never seen that good a small 28/2.8 aside from the Elmarit asph of course.


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    thank you, LCT!

    an update: camera is waiting for me at the hotel, so i'll have it in my hot little hands tomorrow! Terry was kind enough to loan me two CV lens, a 28mm and a 35mm so i'll be able to get an idea of how i feel about the focal lengths. if 28 proves to be one of my preferred ones, there's a very reputable store in California that has a Rokkor in very good condition, so...

    anyways, i'm excited to start my love affair!

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    Congrats with your new camera Cam! Have fun in the States and with the camera. Say hello to your BF, and Terry rocks!!

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    Mazel Tov!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wbrandsma View Post
    Congrats with your new camera Cam! Have fun in the States and with the camera. Say hello to your BF, and Terry rocks!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    Mazel Tov!
    thank you!!!

    flight cancelled, i was SSSS'ed at the airport, got lost looking for the inn, but when i arrived my handsome devil was waiting for me. have yet to look at the pics on the big screen as i am just practicing focussing and such -- toes, coffee cups, and Kevin has offered to be my kitty cat, cleaning his whiskers on the sofa.

    can i just say that i love this camera??? i mean really truly LOVE LOVE LOVE!!!! i can't stop squeaking with joy! it is the most lovely camera ever to use!!! just might be a while before i take anything worthy...

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    almost summer

    spent a lazy day shooting, getting more and more comfortable with my baby. there actually may be a couple of keepers in the midst of several really boring shots, but this was by far my favourite (needs reprocessing though).

    i started getting cocky and comfortable and thought i'd try my hand at street shots seems the Epson is just a wee bit heavier than my GRDII and, well, i kind of had the hyper focal distance wrong. oops! lovely filmic look, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    ...i kind of had the hyper focal distance wrong...
    Due to the crop factor of the sensor, the DoF markings of 'full frame' lenses, i.e. made for the 135 format, are a bit off.
    You might wish to try the DoF markings of the nearest faster f stop of your lenses i.e. f/5.6 when you choose f/8 for metering by example.
    Works fine with my APS-C digicams.

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    Re: is an Epson RD-1 still a viable option?

    YEAH CAM!!!
    you go girl......and as for our RD1 /M8 discussion at Brunch
    you might be right....catching the drift, under the spell
    Tell Kevin to PLEASE post more pixs with his new baby

    BEST-H

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    Re: is an Epson RD-1 still a viable option?

    Quote Originally Posted by LCT View Post
    Due to the crop factor of the sensor, the DoF markings of 'full frame' lenses, i.e. made for the 135 format, are a bit off.
    You might wish to try the DoF markings of the nearest faster f stop of your lenses i.e. f/5.6 when you choose f/8 for metering by example.
    Works fine with my APS-C digicams.
    thank you for the tip. i'd read about it (an, i think, sometimes 2 stops?), but reading and actually remembering are two different things...

    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    YEAH CAM!!!
    you go girl......and as for our RD1 /M8 discussion at Brunch
    you might be right....catching the drift, under the spell
    Tell Kevin to PLEASE post more pixs with his new baby

    BEST-H
    passed that on to Kevin (who quite likes the R-D1). he did a comparison shot (still life) between the cams and actually preferred the one with the Epson (he's put more up, btw)

    in re: our discussion. i still stand by it, even more so after using it for a day. however, i seem to have a special talent of making any camera my own and, since i haven't properly played with the M8, it could be a load of bollocks... but the Epson is definitely charming me. very film-like in use and output. shot most of the day wide open to hone my focusing skills and was enthralled. stopped down, the images are capable of being quite sharp whilst still having a lot of character. this is definitely the closest to film you can get in a digital...

    here's a straight JPEG from the camera (having trouble with RAW on my Air), taken wide open, very low light, at 1600. nothing was done but a slight crop and a resize. focusing was a bear! but 1600??? oh my!

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    Re: is an Epson RD-1 still a viable option?

    Hi Cam,
    sounds like you are having a great time with the new toy.
    So how is life beyond 28mm? I assume wide open is to get decent bokeh means shooting with the 35mm?

    I'm waiting in NY to hear that trancontinental squeal of delight when you go and meet up with Sean at camera west!

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    Re: is an Epson RD-1 still a viable option?

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Hi Cam,
    sounds like you are having a great time with the new toy.
    So how is life beyond 28mm? I assume wide open is to get decent bokeh means shooting with the 35mm?

    I'm waiting in NY to hear that trancontinental squeal of delight when you go and meet up with Sean at camera west!
    enjoying it immensely! and yes, it's the 35mm (thank you soooo much!). i must admit to hating the tabby thing on the CV lenses, though. i much prefer the Leica... will probably take the 21mm with me today as well and just kind of wing it.

    as for squealing, i haven't really stopped just love love love this camera! i've got to admit, i am still lusting after that 35/1.4 pre-asph Lux for the dreamy bokeh which Sean doesn't seem to have (at least not on the site).

    btw, where are your Red Rocks shots??? (and have you bonded with the GRDII yet?)

    eek!!!

    i love cameras. i love lenses. i am going to become a lens slut as well -- what a joy!

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    CONGRATULATIONS CAM

    I hope you'll both be very happy together (I'm really quite jealous).

    Just this guy you know

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    This looks great Cam. Looks like it got a little break.

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    Re: is an Epson RD-1 still a viable option?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    CONGRATULATIONS CAM

    I hope you'll both be very happy together (I'm really quite jealous).
    ah, Mr E, you must get one again! such a joy to use and so addicting! we were at a lookout point and i pulled out the DP1 (feeling guilty) and obviously had a very puzzled look on my face when i reached the top. what's the matter? my BF asked. it doesn't cock! it doesn't make a noise! how do i know if it shot anything?
    i couldn't stop trying to "advance the film"...

    Quote Originally Posted by wbrandsma View Post
    This looks great Cam. Looks like it got a little break.
    i had to pee

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