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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Hi Jack, it's not too much fun to shoot with, but the files are great to work with in PP and super sharp!
    Just to give the contrasting opinion, I find it super fun to shoot with. I'd love to have manual controls like my OM-2N, but this is about as much fun I've had shooting with a digital camera. The form fits my hand well (I like small and boxy), and the controls are as good as I could want considering the absence of dials for shutter speed, aperture, and ISO. I like the simplicity of having easy access to control over all the basics. Aperture and shutter are as easy to control as can be with buttons, and ISO is just a few clicks away. More often than not, I zone focus and set the exposure manually. Shutter lag is minimal. It's a lot like using a film camera in that there aren't any extras to confuse matters. It's also film-like with regards to exposure latitude (especially highlight retention), minimizing (for me) the need for a live histogram.

    The only problems from my standpoint are as follows:
    1) Low end LCD (hard or impossible to see in bright lighting)
    2) LCD freezes for a moment on shutter button half press
    3) 5 second shot to shot time using fast SDHC card
    4) Relatively poor battery life (not worst ever, but not good)

    When I get around to buying an external OVF, problems 1 & 2 above will be remedied (again, speaking only in terms of my needs here). Buying a spare battery will help with #4. #3 I presume is here to stay until I pick up the DP1 replacement or something else that comes along. In the meanwhile, I'm having great fun shooting with the DP1.

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    Good for you Amin!
    I think the UI is pretty poor... but appreciate that opinions differ.

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    Well heres my take: The Love & Hate between helen Hill & the Dp1

    Feels oh so fine in the hands......
    Solid, good sense of weight , Perfect Really /no hand grip necessary
    Firm buttons, well placed
    Love the no Frills Aspect /Photography back to the Creative basics

    Turning it On...... there is always a rickety Whine .......like an old gate

    To access the USB Port the plastic door is flimsy & hard to open and difficult to connect /seems in due time the door could possibly come off

    The LCD screen possibly the worst I have come across / not a sharp screen
    (spoiled by Dlux 3,GRD1&2, Digilux2)
    be it bright light or low light its difficult to view & playback looks dreadful (even though there may be some great shots )

    Battery Life Extremely Poor /you need a few batteries for the day out & about
    but my biggest complaint is FOCUSING /very hard to accurately focus
    & particularly on screen.
    This is where I have my hardest time -Manual Focus
    Perhaps its me because when you look at EVERYONES work here
    (accept mine ) its DEAD ON CRISP


    But when you get a GOOD Shot its PURE MAGIC
    and there is something Quite Special about the 'LOOK' when done right
    Its a camera that DEMANDS you learn its Weaknesses & Strengths
    A challenge which can be Rewarding
    Look at Jim Radcliff's work ....(not mine)
    but I must admit theres something I still love about the DP!, even though I'm pulling my hair out.
    Best, H
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    We tried to get our hands on the DP1 yesterday but couldn't at B&H. Your description is what is so disappointing to me as someone who wanted to like the camera. All the little niggles and most of the bigger gripes were issues that could easily have been addressed before launch. The big delay on this camera was supposedly lens/sensor combo not the other things like LCD or AF/MF.

    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    Well heres my take: The Love & Hate between helen Hill & the Dp1

    Feels oh so fine in the hands......
    Solid, good sense of weight , Perfect Really /no hand grip necessary
    Firm buttons, well placed
    Love the no Frills Aspect /Photography back to the Creative basics

    Turning it On...... there is always a rickety Whine .......like an old gate

    To access the USB Port the plastic door is flimsy & hard to open and difficult to connect /seems in due time the door could possibly come off

    The LCD screen possibly the worst I have come across / not a sharp screen
    (spoiled by Dlux 3,GRD1&2, Digilux2)
    be it bright light or low light its difficult to view & playback looks dreadful (even though there may be some great shots )

    Battery Life Extremely Poor /you need a few batteries for the day out & about
    but my biggest complaint is FOCUSING /very hard to accurately focus
    & particularly on screen.
    This is where I have my hardest time -Manual Focus
    Perhaps its me because when you look at EVERYONES work here
    (accept mine ) its DEAD ON CRISP


    But when you get a GOOD Shot its PURE MAGIC
    and there is something Quite Special about the 'LOOK' when done right
    Its a camera that DEMANDS you learn its Weaknesses & Strengths
    A challenge which can be Rewarding
    Look at Jim Radcliff's work ....(not mine)
    but I must admit theres something I still love about the DP!, even though I'm pulling my hair out.
    Best, H

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    Two from today:




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    Amin
    You're second shot is WONDERFUL

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    Yes, that 2nd shot works well Amin. Well done

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    Hi Helen, I agree - it's shocking... but for the IQ obsessive amongst us, the pain of using the DP1 just makes the reward of capturing a well framed steady shot in the right lighting conditions all the more sweet

    For the moment, it's the only game in town - (large sensor compact) Sigma have enough complaints about the UI to give it a decent go for the replacement(s) which they've already announced will be announced(!) this fall... I hope the DP1 gets a good firmware upgrade before then.

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    I struggled with this one a bit. The light was so harsh, and the green is so lush in real life with all the rain we have had, I found it hard to get it looking true to life. I like the different reds and oranges, and the green of the book against the grass came out well.

    Parma ham, and my daughter (managed to catch her not posing like Britons next top model for once!)

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    Nice colours Will, and super sharp as always!

    Here's my effort from this morning...



    Kind Regards

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    Thanks Helen and Brian!

    Will, love the colors in the shot with your daughter. Funny, you have a problem with her posing for you, and I have a problem getting my sons to pose for me .

    Brian, the colors in this most recent image look almost Olympus-like. Do you have a certain color look in mind, realistically as you saw it or otherwise, that you try to process to with all your cameras? In other words, if you were to take the same landscape image with both the DP1 and the E-420 or E-3, would you process them to the same result (color-wise) where possible? I tend to think of the different cameras as I would think of different film stocks, so I let the particular sensor/RAW developer/color profile pull me in one way or another.

    Edit: Just saw Helen's post in the E-420 thread. I guess she and I noticed the same thing.
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    Hi Amin, as I said there... I'm doing a lot of PP work to get control of the DP1's RAW files (as Will mentioned above) - the side effect is that I'm learning how to get foveon like output from my Olys and Oly like output from my DP1

    I now feel reasonably confident that I can go in either direction with either cam

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    Is it me or are greens oversaturated in asabet's and will's pics above? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCT View Post
    Is it me or are greens oversaturated in asabet's and will's pics above? Just curious.
    It isn't just you, I deliberately over-saturated the greens.

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    A couple more. Blue this time.
    The colour of the flowers is spot on btw.


    Slightly cropped



    Plane crashes into giant wisteria!
    Last edited by Will; 6th May 2008 at 11:05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    Plane crashes into giant wisteria!
    And there I was thinking you had a jet-propelled honeybee.

    Nice photos, Will, Brian, Amin, hermie, and Helen. Keep 'em coming. Spring is in the air.
    Last edited by DavidE; 6th May 2008 at 11:18.

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    Will, lovely colours there... do you think that we're allowing our DP1 shots to be oversharpened? I know there's a lot of pride that the Foveon sensor is sharp, but are these images looking a tiny bit artificial?

    edit: actually, I've just gone back over this thread and I think I'm the worst culprit... but I think your last couple of shots are heading that way too?

    I tried to dial back the sharpness of the last shot above... did I go too far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Will, lovely colours there... do you think that we're allowing our DP1 shots to be oversharpened? I know there's a lot of pride that the Foveon sensor is sharp, but are these images looking a tiny bit artificial?

    edit: actually, I've just gone back over this thread and I think I'm the worst culprit... but I think your last couple of shots are heading that way too?

    I tried to dial back the sharpness of the last shot above... did I go too far?

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    It's become an addiction, we need more sharpening each time to get the same fix!
    Your probably right but I have always tended to over sharpen, it's a weakness of mine and not the result of using the DP1.I think in my case it is also to do with me now needing reading glasses but being to stubborn to wear them, I sharpen the image on screen to compensate. To me they still look slightly soft focus lol

    Having said all that I do think that the DP1 file can hold up with quite a lot of sharpening.

    Here is one of them again straight from neutral RAW editor settings to jpg and cropped. No pp at all.
    Last edited by Will; 6th May 2008 at 13:27.

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    Yes, having said that, I think the image of your daughter is really enhanced by the sharpening - you did well with that one.

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    It is tempting to oversharpen the DP1 images, as they do take an incredible amount of sharpening. Probably new owner's pride -- we want to be sure it was worth all that money.

    Here's another one from the Vegas trip.


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    I added another version on one of my pictures below but you had already responded. Might be worth you looking at my last post again?

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    Hi Will - that's a good illustration, the plain image doesn't really need sharpening, but takes the sharpening really well.

    It just means that we have more latitude for PP - a good thing

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    Just a snap of my 3 1/2 year old son Philip pretending to fish today. This is after cropping out almost half the frame before resizing.


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    Nice one, Amin. Even with the crop, I suspect there's still plenty of resolution for a medium size print (at least, based on what we can see here).

    My last photo in this thread was showing up intermittently, so I've moved it to another server. Here it is again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by asabet;
    Just a snap of my 3 1/2 year old son Philip pretending to fish today. This is after cropping out almost half the frame before resizing.

    Wonderful shot of Philip.....he looks like he's abit of a prankster and quite creative
    Best, H

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    Nice one Amin, great PP - very natural!

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    I agree, lovely picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    Wonderful shot of Philip.....he looks like he's abit of a prankster and quite creative
    Best, H
    Thanks Helen, Will, Brian... Helen you got it right. Philip is my prankster .

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    Lovely shot of your beautiful Son, Amin

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    Thanks Lili!

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    Boring to keep doing these flower shots, I know, but they are everywhere at the moment!
    I should be going somewhere non flower infested tomorrow so hopefully I'll find something else to shoot.
    In the mean time....

    Yellow

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    Lovely - Will
    but can't wait for tomorrow's Surprise Shot.......
    You seem to have mastered the Dp1
    Cheers ! H

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    Re: Sigma DP1

    HAS ANYONE Done any prints
    around 11x14
    if so........how did it fare ??

    Thanx- H

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    Not flowers but very pink!


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    Re: Sigma DP1

    Fun........entering into other Worldliness
    What were your settings ?
    and
    how close was the DP1 to the real 'pink' ?
    Toodles- H

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    Now that is pink! Where were you Will?

    Here's one more of my boys pretend fishing:



    I'm trying to resist oversharpening, but the temptation is strong because the tree has a pop to it in the full res version which is difficult to convey in the resized image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    Fun........entering into other Worldliness
    What were your settings ?
    and
    how close was the DP1 to the real 'pink' ?
    Toodles- H
    F4 ISO 100 2.0s (I'm quite surprised how steady I managed to hold it just standing there)

    It is quite a bit too pink but I liked it that way. It was the entrance to the Grand Designs exhibition in London

    On another note I have discovered that if you put in a new card the camera sets the file numbers back to the beginning (damed annoying since I was up to my 526th image and now I will have to rename all of those to avoid confusion)
    It seems to happen each time you swap the card over. I checked and I do have the camera set to continuous file numbering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asabet
    Now that is pink! Where were you Will?

    Here's one more of my boys pretend fishing:



    I'm trying to resist oversharpening, but the temptation is strong because the tree has a pop to it in the full res version which is difficult to convey in the resized image.
    LOVE THE GRANDE FLICKR IMAGE EVEN MORE
    Looks Quite Fab ........
    I need to 'Pretend' more in Life.......far more Enchanting way to Live Life

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    I have decided to try out the Sigma after sales service. With this in mind I dropped my DP1 onto a pavement today in order to damage the lens mechanism so that they had something with which to work.
    I'll let you know how it goes

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    Helen, thanks! I'd love larger display so I can see the full DP1 images without scrolling. I don't think my wife is going to go for that 30 inch Apple display though...

    Will, so sorry to hear that. Hope you get a quick turnaround without a big expense. I've had Sigma twice service lenses, and they were very good to me in both cases. One of the lenses was well out of warranty, and they took care of me.

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    Bummer... I know this is too late, but I carry my DP1 in the lapel pocket of a photographers vest, with the long neck cord around my neck - even when the camera is in the pocket.

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    I have decided to try out the Sigma after sales service. With this in mind I dropped my DP1 onto a pavement today in order to damage the lens mechanism so that they had something with which to work.
    I'll let you know how it goes
    HUGZ!!!!!!

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    Thanks for the sympathy everyone. In a way it was my fault because i decided to adapt the Sigma neck strap with some quick release clips that weren't up to the job. Had the camera around my neck and one of the clips gave out.

    I do have a few images I haven't yet converted, so I may put one up occasionally just so I don't feel left out!

    here is one of the last ones pre calamity.


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    Hi Will, what camera will you be using while you're waiting for the DP1 to be repaired?

    My contribution for today...



    Hope you get it back soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    I have decided to try out the Sigma after sales service. With this in mind I dropped my DP1 onto a pavement today in order to damage the lens mechanism so that they had something with which to work.
    I'll let you know how it goes
    Oh, poor you, Will. Hope you get it back soon, better than ever. Love your "pink" shot, marvelous.

    Lovely work here by all of you Sigma-philes.
    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joan View Post
    Oh, poor you, Will. Hope you get it back soon, better than ever. Love your "pink" shot, marvelous.

    Lovely work here by all of you Sigma-philes.

    Thanks Joan, I took a few others there as well but I liked the pink one best. Others may follow.
    The shop should get the camera on Monday so then I'll know how long I will have to wait.

    Brian, I love the forget me not flower pic (I assume that is what they are)
    I'm back to my GRD2 now with the 5D as a backup

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    Will, sorry to read about your DP1, though a GRD2 and 5D would be a pretty good consolation. Hope you get it back quickly. I also like your pink photo. The sharp images from the DP1 seem to work well with experimentation.

    I was visiting family in Boulder, Colorado this past week. Here's one of the images I shot with my DP1 (ISO 100, f/8.0, 1/200 second).


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    Here's another one from the Boulder trip (ISO 100, f/8.0, 1/160 second).


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    Beautiful images David. There is something different about DP1 files that seems to give an almost 3D effect in some of them. You almost feel like you are in the picture (at least I do)

    Ansel would have liked your first image. Stunning!

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    Beautiful David. I especially like the second one.

    Here are a few from our family outing today:






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