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    E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    This is turning out to be my favourite walkaround combination... extremely compact, but seriously powerful.

    Here are some shots over the last couple of days.

    1/160s f/4.0 at 17.0mm iso100


    1/200s f/5.6 at 60.0mm iso100


    1/320s f/5.6 at 12.0mm iso100


    1/250s f/4.0 at 60.0mm iso100


    1/250s f/5.6 at 12.0mm iso100


    C&C Welcome...

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    All beautiful, Brian! The sky in #3 is absolutely breathtaking, W-O-W!
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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    Thank you Joan, I'm gradually finding it easier to find interesting things to shoot... must be something to do with practice

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    Brian,

    Very nice photos.

    I have a 14-54. I assume that it would also carry well with the 420, since the bigger 12-60 does. In addition to using my 14-54, I may get the two kit lenses for a light-weight kit. Of course, I have been thinking about the 14-150, but it is one expensive lens.

    I wonder what your experience has been with three things that matter to me:

    • Quick and accurate AF in reasonable light
    • Reliable and predictable matrix metering. I.e, it may not always nail the exposure, but when it doesn't, it is easy to figure out why.
    • ISO 800 and 1600 that I don't need to think twice about using if I need them


    I am looking forward to your E-420 safari report, but I'd appreciate your initial impressions on these points. A good benchmark for me is how the E-420 compares to the E-1 on each of them.

    Jeff
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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    Hi Jeff,

    welcome to one of the more interesting, civil and well moderated photography focused websites around!

    Thank you, and yes - the 14-54 is even lighter/easier to carry... but the extra reach and IQ of the 12-60 is quite addictive

    I'm sorry, I'm not a professional reviewer... so I can only give you my honest impressions, which are also biased by my personal requirements for my kit.

    The AF is quick and accurate in reasonable light, and CAF works reasonably well too... though obviously not in the same speed class as the E-3 - I like the simplicity of centre spot focusing.

    Metering is improved over all previous generations, in line with E-3. Accurate even across the board with legacy lenses.

    ISO 800 no problem... 1600 I'd only use in emergencies, I'm a 'good light' shooter, where the Olympus shines.

    I'm looking forward to getting our report published too... sorry it's taking a while, but I'm answering stuff on forums at the same time so hopefully you won't feel starved of info

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    Thanks for your reply.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    ...
    I'm sorry, I'm not a professional reviewer... so I can only give you my honest impressions, which are also biased by my personal requirements for my kit...

    ISO 800 no problem... 1600 I'd only use in emergencies, I'm a 'good light' shooter, where the Olympus shines...
    Professional reviews are useful, but reports from people who have learned to get the best from a camera add a lot.

    I am also a good-light shooter (mostly), but what seems to be "good light" is often not enough, depending on focal length, max available aperture, and usable ISO. For example, I was at a paragliding event last weekend. A good hour before sunset, I needed an exposure of 1/60 and f/3.2 at ISO 400. I had the 14-54 mounted on my E1 at the time, but my 40-150 (original version) would have been barely usable at 150mm, even at ISO 1600.

    I guess it comes down to there being no substitute for fast glass and usable high ISO in some situations.

    Jeff

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    Excellent Brian. I really like the first photograph and the last one. The lost looks like a diptych.

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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    Hi Jeff, you're right... today we went out with the E-420 + 12-60mm SWD (which Karen took) and I had the E-400 + 135mm f2.5 (set to f4)... fast glass needn't be expensive (but unfortunately legacy glass takes more skill with MF, and isn't as sharp as ZD glass)

    A very pleasant walk with the kids, not weighed down by kit... just walking and shooting, very relaxed!

    One of Karen's shots...
    E-420 + 12-60mm SWD
    1/125s f/3.8 at 40.0mm iso200


    One of my shots from the same walk...
    E-400 + Hexanon 135mm f2.5 legacy lens
    1/160s f4.0 at 135mm iso100


    Kind Regards

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    Thanks Wouter, I really appreciate your kind words... and I'm glad you liked the last one!

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    Brian

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    Brian,

    Another couple of very nice photos. Are they OOC jpegs? The colors are good, like your first set.

    Jeff

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    Hi Jeff, I shoot RAW... although the E-420 produced good jpegs. These were both converted with Bibble Pro.

    Thanks for your comments

    Brian

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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    One from this evening, a long way from home...



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    Re: E-420 + 50mm f2 Cron

    Heres my first Oly shot / Eric....... / No PS tooo tired

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    and another on the way home....too bad it happened so fast fom the car....the grd probably would have caught this
    but theres still abit of magiic about it

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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    Hi Helen, I find that the E-420 is super fast with the pancake lens - the autofocus is fast enough to capture split second scenes...

    I like the shot of Eric, quite cool

    At last, I have an E-420 posting buddy!

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    Wowee! Congrats, Helen! Love the shots and I may be joining the E420 brigade pretty soon, too. Still trying to decide but the more I see the more I think I should just do it. Waiting for the kit with the pancake to be available.
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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    me & the Oly 420 Playing.....wanted to go overboard in processing
    Experimenting, if ya know what i mean ..... What do you think? Best, H

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    That is very cool, Helen! It gives me sort of an Art Nouveau feeling with the colors and the rendering. I like it!

    What software are you using to experiment?
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    another day of play ......Rain Rain go away
    trying to develop 'bokeh' consciousness after some time w/the grd2

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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    Quote Originally Posted by Joan View Post
    That is very cool, Helen! It gives me sort of an Art Nouveau feeling with the colors and the rendering. I like it!

    What software are you using to experiment?
    Thanx Joan!
    I'm on a 30 day trial w/ APERTURE & LIGHTZONE
    but neither support RAW files (w/the 420)
    so if anyone can let me know of an easier way.......
    otherwise I am slightly tweaking with the Olympus Master 2 software
    converting to JPEG dropping it into IPHOTO (from my mac) & Exporting here
    Jeez too much to do

    Best, H

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    and another on the way home....too bad it happened so fast fom the car....the grd probably would have caught this
    but theres still abit of magiic about it
    I actually really like this just the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    Thanx Joan!
    I'm on a 30 day trial w/ APERTURE & LIGHTZONE
    but neither support RAW files (w/the 420)
    so if anyone can let me know of an easier way.......
    otherwise I am slightly tweaking with the Olympus Master 2 software
    converting to JPEG dropping it into IPHOTO (from my mac) & Exporting here
    Jeez too much to do

    Best, H
    I've been doing the same ... first tried Lightzone, now Aperture. Like them both, hard to choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    Thanx Joan!
    I'm on a 30 day trial w/ APERTURE & LIGHTZONE
    but neither support RAW files (w/the 420)
    so if anyone can let me know of an easier way.......
    otherwise I am slightly tweaking with the Olympus Master 2 software
    converting to JPEG dropping it into IPHOTO (from my mac) & Exporting here
    Jeez too much to do

    Best, H
    HI Helen (and Joan too)
    I don't know about Lightzone, but with aperture, if you convert the E420 raw files to DNG ( a very simple task with the free Adobe DNG converter, takes seconds), then Aperture will read them properly - there is an argument for converting to DNG for storage anyway. When the camera is supported properly in Aperture, then you will be able to use the camera specific profile with the DNG files.

    Before you make a decision, don't forget about the organisational features of Aperture - and the fact that you can now also use the Viveza plug in, which gives you at least some of the zone advantages of Ligtzone.

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    THANX
    Terry & Joan for your Sweet Thoughts
    Jono for sorting out my Raw Dilemma

    best,h

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    THANX
    Terry & Joan for your Sweet Thoughts
    Jono for sorting out my Raw Dilemma

    best,h
    Hi Helen
    any queries about aperture and Olympus RAW just drop me a line (I used this procedure for a couple of months with the E3 until it was supported.)

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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    Jono, is Aperture your main raw developer for all of your cameras? It seems a little easier to understand (for me) than Lightroom. Do you have opinion on the pros and cons for each?

    Lightzone is idiot simple ... so I'm thinking it might be perfect for me, LOL. If only it had the ability to use layers to combine exposures, there wouldn't really be any need for another image processor, IMHO. It does everything else very intuitively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joan View Post
    Jono, is Aperture your main raw developer for all of your cameras? It seems a little easier to understand (for me) than Lightroom. Do you have opinion on the pros and cons for each?

    Lightzone is idiot simple ... so I'm thinking it might be perfect for me, LOL. If only it had the ability to use layers to combine exposures, there wouldn't really be any need for another image processor, IMHO. It does everything else very intuitively.
    HI Joan
    The advantage of using Aperture is that you don't really need to do any 'conversion' per se. All the adjustments you make are simply held in the database, so that when you next look at the file the adjustments are applied automatically. Lightroom works like this as well.

    I've completely committed to Aperture now - I've got 24,000 catalogued photos in it, going back as far as 1989, and the idea of changing to something else is just too big!

    They're a bit slow to cover new cameras, but now they'll read dng files properly that's not such a bad thing. The only problem is that there is no way to use it with fovean (dp1, SD14) files.

    For me it's much easier to change camera than to change raw program, so I'm staying put.

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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    Hi Jono, has the DNG converter been updated for the E-420? I hope so - because Lightzone will read DNG, but not native E-420 yet!

    Kind Regards

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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Joan
    The advantage of using Aperture is that you don't really need to do any 'conversion' per se. All the adjustments you make are simply held in the database, so that when you next look at the file the adjustments are applied automatically. Lightroom works like this as well.

    I've completely committed to Aperture now - I've got 24,000 catalogued photos in it, going back as far as 1989, and the idea of changing to something else is just too big!

    They're a bit slow to cover new cameras, but now they'll read dng files properly that's not such a bad thing. The only problem is that there is no way to use it with fovean (dp1, SD14) files.

    For me it's much easier to change camera than to change raw program, so I'm staying put.
    I do like Aperture now that I'm getting used to it a bit. I really need to make up my mind, have to start getting my files sorted or all of the pictures will be scrambled up for life. Organization is my true weakness (among many others.)

    Thanks for your thoughts, Jono.
    Regards,
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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    oh my, Helen. i'm away for a few days and...

    congrats!!!

    Kevin is loving the older, bigger brother (though i catch him looking at all threads on the E-520) with the 12-60. just (finally) bought him his birthday lens -- the 50-200 for more range. a beast of a lens, but mighty impressive. the Oly's are definitely a fun breed!

    btw, does anybody have an adapter that can let you use Leica lenses on the Oly? Kevin is lusting after my Summilux...

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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    Hi cam, I've been playing with a Leica 14-150mm f3.5-5.6 OIS lens this afternoon... I was so impressed that I've just ordered one! Beautiful colours, stabilisation for the E-4x0 and unbelievably sharp! This lens will become my primary landscape lens, I think.

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    Re: E-420 + 12-60mm SWD...

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    oh my, Helen. i'm away for a few days and...

    congrats!!!

    btw, does anybody have an adapter that can let you use Leica lenses on the Oly? Kevin is lusting after my Summilux...
    I got my adapter from Stephan Gandy at 'CameraQuest'
    the leica 4/3rds adapter runs $175.00 and works with the LEICA 'R' Lenses
    he also has a Nikon adapter for $99.00 which works with the SL & SL11 series Nikon Mount
    so here some possibilities for Kevin / He will LOVE the way i am spending his Money

    Too Bad the two of you are not stopping back in NY
    for another Round of Fun........

    Funny though the 50mm Cron worked Fabulously on the E330 OLy
    that soft yet Crisp Leica Glow was STUPENDOUS
    BUT on the E420 it DOES NOT have the same Magic / hardly visible the lens magic Lost
    Why ??
    Can anyone fill me in ?

    Best to all,
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    Helen,

    I can't really answer your question about why the E420 doesn't give you the "magic" with your lens, but it may just be down to the different sensors. The new ones in the E4xx and 5xx's don't seem to have the "something something" that the older Oly cams had. (How's that for a technical explanation, lol?) I experienced the same frustration with the E410 ... I first thought it was just the kit lenses that lacked that quality, but now I also think the sensors play a part. Same thing with the new E3 ... to my eyes the old E1 made pictures with an indefinable "look" that I don't see often with the E3. Just my opinion, and sure to be disputed by many who love the newer Oly's. They are wonderful cameras, to be sure, but a little "colder" in character is how I'd put it, I guess.

    Keep shooting, perhaps it's just a matter of getting used to the camera and finding the right combo of settings that'll bring the magic back. Let's see some shots, girlfriend! :-)
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    Joan -- i love your wording! something something. that captures the essence perfectly!

    i also agree that getting used to a camera and certain lens can help bring back some of the magic. but still, i'm not rushing to look for a replacement at this moment for my Epson. with the 50 Lux, magic is there in almost every shot. sigh... happy girl!

    and good news (thank you, Helen) for Kevin re the R lens. 1) i won't have to give him my Lux (M lens) so i won't get cranky and we don't need to fight over it. 2) the R lenses seem more abundant and much cheaper in price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    Joan -- i love your wording! something something. that captures the essence perfectly!
    Hee hee ... I didn't coin that, borrowed it from someone else here, I believe, but can't remember who right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    i also agree that getting used to a camera and certain lens can help bring back some of the magic. but still, i'm not rushing to look for a replacement at this moment for my Epson. with the 50 Lux, magic is there in almost every shot. sigh... happy girl!

    and good news (thank you, Helen) for Kevin re the R lens. 1) i won't have to give him my Lux (M lens) so i won't get cranky and we don't need to fight over it. 2) the R lenses seem more abundant and much cheaper in price.
    Yep, the R lenses are sometimes to be had for bargain prices on eBay if you hit it right. It would be hell to squabble over your Lux! Please post some of your shots soon, Cam!
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