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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Hi David

    I have a glass protector on mine, since damaging an LCD on my gx-200.

    You should be aware that the default for "full press snap" is set to ON - unless you are aware of it you make get some out of focus shots (the camera will go to snap mode if you press the shutter fully trough the half way (auto - focus) point. Most photographers leave it on, and are aware of its functionality.

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    I haven't bothered with any LCD protection stuff with any of my cameras. I've never seen any damage happen.

    Another strap option is a Gordy's Camera Strap string-type wrist strap. They're beautifully made, very strong, and not expensive. Sometime I prefer that as the neckstrap ... any neckstrap! ... can get in the way. http://www.gordyscamerastraps.com/

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    Thanks Keith, I can see I have a lot to learn about the foibles of this camera.

    Here is one today a crop from the S10

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I haven't bothered with any LCD protection stuff with any of my cameras. I've never seen any damage happen.

    Another strap option is a Gordy's Camera Strap string-type wrist strap. They're beautifully made, very strong, and not expensive. Sometime I prefer that as the neckstrap ... any neckstrap! ... can get in the way. http://www.gordyscamerastraps.com/
    You are right Godfrey, I took the shoulder strap off and put on a wriststrap that I had, much nicer with the small body. May put on the leather strap when it arrives. I think it will be best when I have the A12 mount.

    I am wary of scratching LCDs after an incident a few years ago, some cameras are worse than others, for example my TZ10 has no protector and not a scratch.
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    It's nice to be able to hang the camera from your neck or shoulder when out on a minimalist walk, the leather strap is great for that. I'm usually carrying a bag, though, so the wrist strap is less intrusive then.

    Nice shot!

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    David - I think that is the first S10 image posted here. Beautiful shot

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    Thanks for all the comments. I am loving this GXR and can't wait for the A12 mount to be available, still no word from my UK suppliers on price or availability date.

    I received the leather strap today, and it is perfect, pliable and discrete in black. No blazing logos or brand names.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Thanks for all the comments. I am loving this GXR and can't wait for the A12 mount to be available, still no word from my UK suppliers on price or availability date.

    I received the leather strap today, and it is perfect, pliable and discrete in black. No blazing logos or brand names.
    Ricoh is a class act. All of their accessories that I've purchased are just as well worked out and as high quality as the GXR. It's been a pleasure to re-discover Ricoh! In ages long past, I bought Ricoh SLR bodies for my camera staff when I was in high school and they were our price workhorse tools. I had the GR1 in the middle 1990s and it was/is a superb compact camera. Now the GXR system ... amazing that this company with its tiny tiny footprint in the consciousness of the photographer community has produced so many good cameras and lenses for so long.

    I've been busy the past week getting my kit for the "GXR-M" together. I was initially going to order just the Ultron 28/2 and Nokton 40/1.4 to complement the Skopar 50/2.5 I already had.

    Then in a fit of nostalgia I bought a Leica M4-2 body.

    That opens me up to two formats and wanting the right lenses to share between them. I decided on three lenses as the base set for each with the notion of one ultra fast lens for each and the rest as compact as possible ... for the GXR, it's the Skopar 21, Ultron 28 and Skopar 50. For the M4-2, it's the Skopar 35, Nokton 40, and M-Rokkor 90. Of course, all these M-bayonet lenses can be used on either body. For the GXR, I also have the Nikkor-H 85 and Pentax 135 available through adaptation, thanks to its focusing TTL viewfinder. A Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/3.5 is wending its way here as well, also for the GXR.

    I'll recoup some of the money spent in acquiring this lens kit by selling off items in my DSLR kit that they obviate.

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    Godfrey, that's a good collection of lenses to have for sure.

    I'm starting with my present M8 collection - 18/4 Zeiss, 28/2.8 Leica, CV35/2.5, 50/2 Leica and CV75/2.5. I may add a CV15/3.5.

    Will be interesting to see what other adaptors from M to x are going to become available. I'd like a T Mount to put it on my telescope for digi-scoping.

    I have also used Ricoh in the past, I had a Ricoh 500G rangefinder in the late 70's and an RDC5300 2.3MP digital quite a few years ago, it had an optical zoom coupled viewfinder which was very useful. Also a shutter that covered the LCD display and in built automatic lens cap, quite unique at the time. See here

    Like you, I am itching to get my hands on the A12 mount.
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    You should be able to use a T-mount adapter by using that in conjunction with one of the SLR lens adapters to M-bayonet. I don't know of anyone making T-mount to Leica M mount, but they're quite easy to find for Nikon and Pentax.

    Rayqual and Novoflex both make high quality SLR to M-bayonet adapters, and there are others you can find via Ebay. I bought Nikon and Pentax M42 to M-bayonet adapters from rugift.com ... they seem a little cheap, but should be serviceable. If not, I'll probably order the Rayqual adapters from Japan Exposures:
    http://www.japanexposures.com/2010/0...inder-adapter/

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    Any word on if this M mount adapter will allow for video with M lenses? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markmont View Post
    Any word on if this M mount adapter will allow for video with M lenses? Thanks.
    From the DPR preview feature listing:

    Movie mode
    1280 x 720
    640 x 480
    320 x 240
    24 fps
    Motion JPEG AVI

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    I also may get a review sample the next days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    I also may get a review sample the next days.
    OH, when you mentioned you might have the camera unit I thought you meant when they are shipping to the general public. Keep in touch, I'll have time on my hands until Sep 6 and some of the lenses I ordered are already here. :-)

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    Are there adapters to use Nikon on M-Mount?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Are there adapters to use Nikon on M-Mount?
    Uwe,

    See Godfrey's post #60

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    Got the GXR with the M-Module. They did not send me an EVF so I am a bit lost right now.

    Not sure the peeking is that much help and right now I don't know how to turn off the zoom magnification without taking a photo. Hope Godfrey gets his soon to exchange ideas.

    Right now using the Leica Elmarit-M 28mm/f2.8. Not sure I can remove all purple fringing (don't think it is CA) in LR3. Images look very sharp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Got the GXR with the M-Module. They did not send me an EVF so I am a bit lost right now.

    Not sure the peeking is that much help and right now I don't know how to turn off the zoom magnification without taking a photo. Hope Godfrey gets his soon to exchange ideas.

    Right now using the Leica Elmarit-M 28mm/f2.8. Not sure I can remove all purple fringing (don't think it is CA) in LR3. Images look very sharp.
    I am filled with envy - look forward to some images, Uwe. I just bought a Nex C3 and have had initial difficulty with the peaking, but I think this is just me - need practice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Hi Uwe,

    Thanks for posting the dng file and profile from the A12 M mount module. This sample looks fine with no detectable CA and no edge smearing. Very encouraging for those of us anxiously awaiting for the module to ship. I'm looking forward to seeing more results and your review.

    The dng file link was incomplete and should have been:
    http://jirvana.outbackphoto.com/x_ou...RM_0010012.DNG
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Thanks Uwe! I look forward to getting together with you for a bit of testing next week. :-)

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Peeking with the Summicron 50mm/f/2 works fine but not so helpful with 28mm. Seems that focussing with magnification is buggy as it cannot be shut off without taking a picture.

    ISO800 seems to be fine. Will try higher ISO tomorrow.
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    Here is an ISO 800 shot (28mm) handheld:



    The Field Test gallery will be here (you can view quite large images, that is why our Field Tests show a watermark):

    http://outbackphoto.smugmug.com/DOPF...-GXR-M-Module/
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    Found out with some help how to use zoom focus assist:

    1. Click ok: menu
    2. Hold ok: Picture in picture zoom
    3: Release
    4: Hold ok again: Full LCD zoom
    5: Release
    5: Hold ok again: Normal view
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    What would be a reasonable priced Macro for M-Mount?
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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Found out with some help how to use zoom focus assist:

    1. Click ok: menu
    2. Hold ok: Picture in picture zoom
    3: Release
    4: Hold ok again: Full LCD zoom
    5: Release
    5: Hold ok again: Normal view
    Darn, I hate it already! Panasonic GF2 got MF-assist right, touch (press) anywhere on the scene shown on lcd and that part magnifies 7x. Need more, scroll the thumbwheel one notch to the right for 10x. When you're ready to exit MF-assist, half press shutter button. I wish that this M-module could do it that way, too.

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    Maybe it can be done more easy or improve.

    I just report what I found out, this maybe not optimal at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    What would be a reasonable priced Macro for M-Mount?
    There aren't many macro lenses made for M-bayonet mount.

    I bought one of my old favorites: a pre-AI Micro-Nikkor 55mm f/3.5 to fit with adapter to the GXR-M. Cost was $70 for the lens and $75 for the adapter. I'll use the adapter with my 85/1.8 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    Maybe it can be done more easy or improve.

    I just report what I found out, this maybe not optimal at all.
    From another site, maybe this helps.

    【Focus Assist and Enlarge All】
    To make my point clear, let me emphasize that Focus Assist (Mode1and 2) and Enlarge All functions are carefully designed to blend naturally into the process of shooting real world photography.
    e.g. When Enlarge All is assigned to a Fn key, you can quickly magnify the view with your thumb and focus with your left hand. Then, half-pressing the shutter button tentatively cancels the magnified view, letting you recompose the frame and shoot. If you release your index finger at this point, you can again obtain the magnified view for refocusing.
    In short, you can easily switch from magnified view (and/or FA Mode 1 or 2) to the full composition or vise versa just by a tiny movement of the tip of your index finger, while eliminating the need to re-hold the camera body.
    Also, when you move the target in Enlarge All, the camera memorizes the coordinates of the target in case you lift your finger after half-pressing the shutter. This is highly usable in shooting portrait and scenery alike.
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    Uwe that sample DNG you posted (thanks), is it full size? I ask because in Aperture it is showing only at 3776 x 2830 pixels which is not 12M pixels.

    Ah! It is shot in 4:3, if you use 3:2 you get 42882848.
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    David,

    1. Peeking is on a F key
    2. Magnification works as you wrote. Would just like a faster way to cancel it out but should get used to it.
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    >and $75 for the adapter

    What adapter did you buy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >and $75 for the adapter

    What adapter did you buy?
    I ordered the one from rugift.com:
    http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/n...-m-adapter.htm

    I know they ship from Russia ... takes a while to get here, from past experience.

    Depending on what I see from the quality, I might order a Rayqual a little later (I have two Nikkor lenses to use, it's more convenient to have one adapter for each lens). The Rayqual has a neat feature: on a Leica M body, it sets the rangefinder to indicate a 3m focus distance. With that you can use the rangefinder to determine where 3m is and then estimate the proper distance setting for your subject by scale. Of course, this is irrelevant for a GXR-M ... but I have an M4-2 body coming too. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    I've got fotodiox adapters for Nikon and Pentax K to FourThirds. They're generally ok, sometimes their tolerances aren't so great. One of my Nikon->FT adapters and the PentaxK->FT allows the lens to move a bit off the optical axis, the other Nikon->FT is snug and accurate.

    Another thing to watch for in adapters is accurate mount registration for scale focusing accuracy, particularly important for Leica M film bodies. Doesn't make too much difference if the lens can focus a hair beyond infinity on a TTL camera, but on a film RF camera you won't know where to set the focusing if the scale isn't accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    David,

    1. Peeking is on a F key
    2. Magnification works as you wrote. Would just like a faster way to cancel it out but should get used to it.

    Understand Uwe, thanks. Haven't had the chance to try the M module yet, but have one on pre-order.

    Uwe, have you checked the firmware version of the body and the camera module? Just interested what they are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    From another site, maybe this helps.

    【Focus Assist and Enlarge All】
    To make my point clear, let me emphasize that Focus Assist (Mode1and 2) and Enlarge All functions are carefully designed to blend naturally into the process of shooting real world photography.
    e.g. When Enlarge All is assigned to a Fn key, you can quickly magnify the view with your thumb and focus with your left hand. Then, half-pressing the shutter button tentatively cancels the magnified view, letting you recompose the frame and shoot. If you release your index finger at this point, you can again obtain the magnified view for refocusing.
    In short, you can easily switch from magnified view (and/or FA Mode 1 or 2) to the full composition or vise versa just by a tiny movement of the tip of your index finger, while eliminating the need to re-hold the camera body.
    Also, when you move the target in Enlarge All, the camera memorizes the coordinates of the target in case you lift your finger after half-pressing the shutter. This is highly usable in shooting portrait and scenery alike.
    David

    Can I ask where is that site?

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    It's OK, David, I've found it (I forgot about Google )

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    It's OK, David, I've found it (I forgot about Google )

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    Sorry about that Keith, it was the same site I linked to on page 1 of this thread.
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    I know you wanted a ISO3200, right :-)

    http://jirvana.outbackphoto.com/x_ou...RM_0010081.DNG
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    Focusing with the LCD is too hard for me. Wait for EVF.

    Having no AA is so nice.
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    Beautiful iso3200 shot!!! I'm so glad to read of possibility of good MF-assist UI. Please, keep the info coming, Uwe.

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    >to read of possibility of good MF-assist UI

    Not sure I would say that. But once I get the EVF we will see. I would like a zoom preview which I just can switch fast (F2) on and off.
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    Uwe, why would the EVF be any better than the LCD for focus confirmation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Uwe, why would the EVF be any better than the LCD for focus confirmation?
    1. The EVF has a diopter
    2. I can closer inspect
    3. Also I hate shooting with the LCD as it is in a very bad holding position.

    The Panasonic G3 work fine with manual focus for me.
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    Thanks Uwe,

    Having the EVF here, I haven't found it much easier to focus manually with it that is why I asked.

    It isn't super high resolution, just the same as the LCD.

    The adjustable diopter is useful especially for glasses wearers like myself. The eye relief is excellent.

    It helps in bright sunshine a lot.

    I agree about the more natural shooting position with the EVF and it helps steady the camera.

    Thanks again for posting the high ISO DNG, that is most encouraging.
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    Uwe, How about this for easy zoom in on LCD?

    From Menu > Key Custom Options >Set Fn2 Button>Enlrg Display.

    Now you can toggle zoom on/off with just Fn2 button.

    Don't know if the new firmware allows full screen magnify assignment to a Fn button like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Uwe, How about this for easy zoom in on LCD?

    From Menu > Key Custom Options >Set Fn2 Button>Enlrg Display.

    Now you can toggle zoom on/off with just Fn2 button.

    Don't know if the new firmware allows full screen magnify assignment to a Fn button like this?
    You made my day. Thats it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Having the EVF here, I haven't found it much easier to focus manually with it that is why I asked. ...
    I have the EVF too. I find it easier to achieve critical focus with it compared to the LCD too ... It's a matter of eye position, I think.

    Ricoh's implementation of the focus assist magnification on the A12 autofocus modules isn't as good as what I see in the DPR review of the full-screen magnification for the A12 Camera Mount ... I think the EVF will be come much easier to use than the LCD for a lot of my needs and (of course) provides the eye-level viewfinder that Uwe and many of my photographs call for.

    I do hope the roll the full-screen magnification and focus peaking edge highlight tools into the firmware for the autofocus modules too. I think then manual focus with them will improve quite a bit.

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    Kind of interesting. The images are really sharp if I nailed the focus. But slightly off it feels like using an AA filter :-) and we can still get decent images.

    Image below was not perfectly focused (50mm):

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