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    Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    This link showed up on DPR today:

    http://www.fotointern.ch/archiv/2011...a-m-objektive/

    Using Babel Fish to translate to English works but is a bit stilted. And my German is a bit rusty. If anyone here can translate it more fluently, that would be great.

    The gist of it seems to be saying that the M-lens camera unit:

    - supports both mechanical focal plane and electronic shutter operation, in different ranges of exposure times

    - has two options for focus confirmation, at least one of which sounds like focus peaking

    - has a sensor microlens array optimized for working with a wide range of RF lenses, and filtering options to choose from

    - and should be available starting on September 9!

    That puts it right on schedule. I can't wait to get my hands on it. :-)

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Thanks for posting, Godfrey. That really is good news, indeed! Now, I'm wondering one thing and that is, will the dynamic range from the M-module be anything near as good as Nex-5 or M9 and future Nex-7?

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Owen_Coors View Post
    Thanks for posting, Godfrey. That really is good news, indeed! Now, I'm wondering one thing and that is, will the dynamic range from the M-module be anything near as good as Nex-5 or M9 and future Nex-7?
    I can't speak to the NEX cameras for lack of direct personal experience using them, but I'm quite happy with the sensitivity/noise profile of the current Ricoh A12 camera units. I find even ISO 3200 (highest ISO Ricoh allows) to be good quality, with good dynamic range and a very satisfactory noise appearance, as well as good acutance. The M-lens module is using the same Sony sensor as its base so I expect DR and noise characteristics to be either the same or very close, one direction or the other. I don't shoot at such elevated ISO settings very often, but I have no problems whatever with ISO 800 and 1600 using these A12 camera units, and I do a lot of shooting in that range.

    I'm delighted that it looks to be arriving on time with the announced availability date from February. The GXR camera has proven itself capable in ways far beyond what I was looking for when I got the itch to buy it: I have confidence that Ricoh will deliver a top notch piece of equipment.

    The M9 ... Well, that's a totally different kind of camera in a completely different format, pixel resolution and price class. I want one of those too, regardless of how the GXR-M compares to it. ;-)

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    I've preordered one. Roll on September!

    You can count on the IQ to be very good. Regarding how the GXR with this will stack up against Nex, Fuji, Leica etc, don't forget that the GXR has many unique features of its own. I am intrigued by what the Nex 7 will look like, but I don't think the user interface will be anywhere near as complete and friendly as the Ricoh. I have a Sony A55 and you can't even store custom configurations in it. You'll never guess how many the Ricoh can store (its greater than 3)

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    My pre-order is in too. And I've got one of the Voigtländer lenses I want to use on it, and a couple of adapters for Pentax and Nikon mount too. All just sitting in the box waiting for the camera unit to be delivered.

    Can't wait! :-)

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    DPReview tested one already

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/1108/11...untpreview.asp

    So Godfrey must be delighted

    Great little thing, I am actually considering to get one myself and I said I would not be interested in the Ricoh GXR - never say never again

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Very, very cool. A kind of Micro-M

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    My pre-order is in too. And I've got one of the Voigtländer lenses I want to use on it, and a couple of adapters for Pentax and Nikon mount too. All just sitting in the box waiting for the camera unit to be delivered.

    Can't wait! :-)
    Godfrey - where did you get your adapters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    DPReview tested one already

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/1108/11...untpreview.asp

    So Godfrey must be delighted

    Great little thing, I am actually considering to get one myself and I said I would not be interested in the Ricoh GXR - never say never again
    He is.

    I went through the DPR review and it did a lot better than I did with my very rusty German translation of the Swiss site's feature summary.

    Have to thank Keith for getting me interested in the GXR in the first place. This is become one very nice little camera system with the M-lens module netting access to a very wide range of interesting lenses! I'm delighted to see Ricoh's attention to detail in making this camera unit a very well thought out instrument for manual focus use with such a diverse range of lenses never designed for digital sensors.

    ... I love the fact that they're supplying a testing jig with the camera unit to ensure that whatever pathological lens you might want to use with it can be tested for mechanical compatibility without risking either the camera unit or the lens. That's a touch of class. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    Godfrey - where did you get your adapters?
    http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/leica-m-adapters.htm

    I have the Nikkor 85-H f/1.8 and Pentax SMC Takumar 135mm f/3.5 which I want to use with this camera unit, so I bought Nikon F and Pentax M42 adapters. These lenses both work beautifully with my E-1 and E-5 as well. :-)

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    I'm glad they left the IR filter off the sensor, and I'm also chuffed with the user selectable lens corrections that can be stored with lens name in the camera. I think I have at least a dozen m-mount lenses to try, and then with m42 and Nikon, a whole host more.

    You're right Godfrey this is a class act, at half the price I was expecting. Maybe along with the acquisition of the Pentax brand and know-how this will start to get Ricoh on the map - they deserve it.

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    WOW! This is really exciting!Any idea whether adapters can or have been made for Contax G lenses? If so, where do I go to find one?

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Irenaeus View Post
    WOW! This is really exciting!Any idea whether adapters can or have been made for Contax G lenses? If so, where do I go to find one?
    The M lens registration distance is too long to adapt Contax G lenses.

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Owen_Coors View Post
    Thanks for posting, Godfrey. That really is good news, indeed! Now, I'm wondering one thing and that is, will the dynamic range from the M-module be anything near as good as Nex-5 or M9 and future Nex-7?
    This M module looks great, and, as I've mentioned before, I needed focus peaking in it, which it has. Right now, the main issue I'd have is with my Contax G lenses (which I could sell if need be,) so I'm going to see what the real specs of the NEX-7 are and go from there.

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    The M lens registration distance is too long to adapt Contax G lenses.
    Yes, Contax G-System lenses need custom modification for M-bayonet mounting. It can be done but tends to be expensive and the focus drive is always problematic. It's most sensible for the Hologon 16mm lens, which is already a manual focus lens, but even there it is still a costly endeavor.

    The NEX and Micro-FourThirds adapters for these lenses are probably the best way to go with them.

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    I ALMOST got my G lenses converted last year, but I spent the money on their MS Optical Perar, instead.

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    Thanks, Douglas, it's as I'd halfway expected. Doesn't much help the GXR/Nex7/x100 question, does it, except that Ialready have the GXR and the Contax lenses, so it looks like Fuji's the odd man out , at least in the near term....

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    >A kind of Micro-M

    yes, with better focusing support :-). I want to see what this camera can do without ab AA filter. Very interesting news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >A kind of Micro-M

    yes, with better focusing support :-). I want to see what this camera can do without ab AA filter. Very interesting news.
    I'll let you know as soon as mine arrives. I talked to Andy at Popflash yesterday, they're expecting a first shipment in by about the middle of September and I'm #3 on the pre-order list.

    You're local, we can get together for a walk and shoot if you are so inclined so you can try it out. :-)

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    Thanks. I may come back to you on that.
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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    3 shot raw buffer? Not seen that since the original 1Ds...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    3 shot raw buffer? Not seen that since the original 1Ds...
    Yes it's one of the negatives of the GXR. They could improve that by coming out with an updated body as it is part of the body's IO system, not a part of the camera unit.

    I'd love to see a GXR+ body with larger raw buffer and improved IO responsiveness. But I have to say this is only rarely an issue.

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Godfrey - I'm curious how you are using your GXR - are you using a viewfinder? If so, optical or the VF2? I think I saw you mention the VF2 in another thread - if you've used it, how do you find it?

    I'm really interested in the GXR with this M-module but need a VF - I just can't get into composing on an LCD.

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainjoe View Post
    Godfrey - I'm curious how you are using your GXR - are you using a viewfinder? If so, optical or the VF2? I think I saw you mention the VF2 in another thread - if you've used it, how do you find it?

    I'm really interested in the GXR with this M-module but need a VF - I just can't get into composing on an LCD.
    Optical viewfinders work very nicely. With the other A12 camera units (50 and 28 mm EFL, respectively 33.5 and 18 mm optical focal length) ...

    GXR + A12 50mm + Leitz 5.0cm Brightline finder:


    GXR + A12 28mm + Ricoh VF-1 28mm optical finder


    I have additional finders for both 75mm and 40mm EFL field of view, for use with the Skopar 50mm and Ultron 28mm lenses on the M-lens camera unit.

    The way that I've found using them that works best for me is to set the camera to Spot-AF with the AF area centered, turn on Full Press Snap, and then set the Snap distance to an appropriate approximate for your expected aperture and subject zone. Point with the center spot, half-press shutter to lock focus, frame and press the release the rest of the way. If you're going to make a series of shots at the same focus setting, I tap the FN1 button, which I have configured to toggle between MF and AF. Then the setting is held until I either turn the lens focusing ring or tap the button again. (Obviously, this won't apply with the M-lens module and manual lenses.)

    Since the camera is thin and handy in size, the hot shoe mount is nicely placed to get your eye into the right position behind it.

    I also have the EVF and I use it mostly when I need more critically accurate framing or want access to the on-screen control displays while I'm shooting. But I prefer shooting with the accessory OVFs or the LCD most of the time with the A12 28 and 50 camera units. I suspect I'll use the EVF more of the time with the A12 Camera Mount unit and the longer lenses, of course, as the manual focusing aids will make for precise critical focus.

    (A side note:
    The MF Assist magnification with the two fixed-lens A12 units isn't terribly great ... they've improved that quite a bit with both full screen and focus peaking display processing in the A12 Camera Mount unit ... and the servo focus on these two fixed lens camera units lacks responsiveness in manual operation. That's why I tend to use Spot AF more of the time with them ... the GXR's AF system is extremely accurate, while not super fast, and is as precise as my eye if I target the sensitive area properly.)

    The EVF exactly replicates the LCD display and shows precisely what the lens is seeing. It turns the GXR into a diminutive eye-level TTL camera with tremendous precision, with a full, bright 100% coverage focusing field.

    Optical viewfinders are more "approximate" in nature and lead to a different kind of thinking about the process of framing a photograph, one which understands and works with a mental approximation of what the lens is actually imaging on the sensor. Since most of my work happens with only a couple of different focal length lenses, and generally speaking I tend to use just one for very long periods of time without swapping lenses willy-nilly, I find this approximation does an excellent job of helping me point the lens in the right direction while I pre-visualize what a particular lens will see. I often find it best to turn off the LCD once I have my basic exposure and focus settings dialed in as the practice of constantly "chimping" for every exposure slows me down and distracts me from observing the subject at hand.

    And there are those times when the LCD proves to be the best way to compose and expose a photograph. It's a big, bright view that is visible at even fairly large offset from the center line so I can hold the camera low, or high, relative to my eye and frame quite precisely. Or stick it on a tripod and work with it like I would a 6x9cm field camera in days past, with on-display levels, live histogram, and even framing/compositional guides. The camera proves to be very versatile.

    What I really like about this modular system concept is that it's stretching the notions of what a digital camera can be. I find it best to consider that the body and camera units each supply me a completely different camera. The A12 Camera Mount unit will supply me with a Leica M-bayonet compatible, interchangeable lens camera (a "GXR-M" configuration). If I want a zoom point and shoot, I can pick either S10 or P10 and get in-body image stabilization, and medium or long zoom range. Presuming that the A12 Camera Mount pushes the success of the concept even further, I could see them producing an uprated version of the GXR body unit ... something with a bigger raw buffer, more responsiveness, faster IO, maybe even a in-built optical or electronic viewfinder in the future. Or a future revised Camera Mount with a higher Mpixel count, etc etc.

    With a fully modular system like this, the future options are very broad.
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    HELP! My GXR/28 has pink eye!

    And there were 34 other files that Lightroom says were damaged and couldn't be imported. Have any of you run across the like before? Have I pointed too close to the sun? The battery was close to empty, could it have been something like that? Is there a quick fix or must it go back to Ricoh? Is there anywhere else that'd be better to send it to?

    Objective inquiring minds want to know.

    (Which is to say, I'm on the second day of my vacation and would appreciate any help you all could offer....)
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    Re: HELP! My GXR/28 has pink eye!

    Quote Originally Posted by Irenaeus View Post
    And there were 34 other files that Lightroom says were damaged and couldn't be imported. Have any of you run across the like before? Have I pointed too close to the sun? The battery was close to empty, could it have been something like that? Is there a quick fix or must it go back to Ricoh? Is there anywhere else that'd be better to send it to?

    Objective inquiring minds want to know.

    (Which is to say, I'm on the second day of my vacation and would appreciate any help you all could offer....)
    Most likely the battery. I would charge it and try again - if still bad, reformat the card in the camera. If that doesn't work try a different newly formatted card. Remember, act like a research physicist, don't try two different possible fixes at the same time.

    Good luck

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    Re: HELP! My GXR/28 has pink eye!

    Quote Originally Posted by Irenaeus View Post
    And there were 34 other files that Lightroom says were damaged and couldn't be imported. Have any of you run across the like before? Have I pointed too close to the sun? The battery was close to empty, could it have been something like that? Is there a quick fix or must it go back to Ricoh? Is there anywhere else that'd be better to send it to?

    Objective inquiring minds want to know.

    (Which is to say, I'm on the second day of my vacation and would appreciate any help you all could offer....)
    Yes, this should be located into a new thread dedicated to it.

    But certainly an out of energy battery can cause IO errors which corrupts files. It could also be a bad card, a bad reader, a poor connection between camera and computer, a faulty cable, or a problem in the camera itself. Any one of those issues could cause file corruption.

    Do images look whole and proper when you display them on the camera's LCD after making an exposure? If they do, then the likelihood is battery exhaustion, cable, reader, card, etc in decreasing order of probability. Test one at a time.

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    Re: Ricoh GXR with pinkeye

    Thanks, Keith, it's very encouraging to think that at worst I'm probably only looking at replacing a battery or card and not a whole A12 unit!

    I take your point about research physicists but my intention for the trip was to not erase any SD cards until I'd backed them up twice, and I may not be able to manage to do that for this card very quickly. I have put in a fresh battery, though, along with a fresh, newly-formatted-in-the-camera-card, and haven't seen the problem recur.

    I'll charge that original battery up again tomorrow, though, and dedicate a third card to test shots and then erase that to use for real* which at least will pay lip service to your "one variable at a time" wise counsel.

    (*Unless, ,as sometimes happily happens, my quick "test" shots turnn out better than anything more consciously intentional!)

    Thanks again for your rapid response!

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    Godfrey - thanks for the very helpful response. So when you use an optical viewfinder, you compose in the viewfinder and you focus on the LCD - is there an auditory focus confirmation on the GXR (not that I'm fond of using this)?

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainjoe View Post
    Godfrey - thanks for the very helpful response. So when you use an optical viewfinder, you compose in the viewfinder and you focus on the LCD - is there an auditory focus confirmation on the GXR (not that I'm fond of using this)?
    Probably better to think of it in the opposite order with the A12 autofocus camera units ... I use AF (or Snap focus) to focus the lens, which is reflected on the LCD and in the illuminated focus confirmation signal on the body (to the bottom/left of the hotshot). It's easy to see out of the corner of the eye when you're using an optical finder and operates nicely even when you're toggled the LCD off for use with an optical finder. After that, I frame with the optical viewfinder ... It sounds like two operations, but the way i have the camera set up, I normally just put the OVF to my eye, center the AF area on what I have in mind, half press the shutter release until I hear or see it lock focus, then reframe and press the release the rest of the way in one motion.

    Working manual focus is a bit different. Because you can only see the focusing action on the LCD, you're best to stick with using the LCD for framing to as you will inevitably move the camera a couple of inches from where you were holding it to focus in the process of getting your eye behind the OVF. At large apertures, this can cause your primary interest to move out of best critical focus. When I'm doing manual focus for street and other fast moving situations, I normally zone focus ... there's a very nicely thought out indication of the focus zone with the A12 28 and 50 mm EFL camera units ... or use Snap focus.

    With the A12 Camera Mount unit and all manual lenses, you'll be using the DoF scale on the lens to set up zone focus, and when you want precision manual focus and framing you'll want to use the LCD or EVF. A "no information" OVF is much more useful in the context of zone focus or the full TTL imaging system with manually operated lenses.

    The GXR body also supports several options in sound signaling confirmation ... All operations (including focus), Level only, or Shutter only. I usually left it on Level only, and you can control the level indication (on the LCD/EVF) to be sound and indicator, sound only, indicator only, or off as well.

    When fitted, EVF can either do exactly what the LCD does including being the place where you review exposures, or you can "split screen" so that review always images on the LCD and exposure/settings are always in the EVF.

    A nice touch is that when you're using an optical finder, if you toggle the LCD off no controls that require a readout on the LCD can be shifted without illuminating the LCD for feedback. For what I use most ... the EV compensation control ... pressing the + and - buttons on the four way bring up the histogram and +/- EV scale on top of the normal view. Once you press the OK, the LCD shuts off again and you can return to the optical viewfinder. The really nice part of this is that I can't accidentally bump the aperture setting or ISO setting while the LCD is off ... I normally use Aperture mode, with fixed or Auto ISO, set an aperture for my intended zone and leave it there most of the time, so this works out perfectly.

    As you can tell from what I've been saying, by and large I don't consider the GXR to be even remotely a "beginner's" camera. It is quite sophisticated and Ricoh has done an outstanding job of coordinating a LOT of features and options that contribute to serious photography in very sensible ways. It's not the highest megapixel camera on the market, not the fastest operating, has a relatively small raw buffer, etc etc, and of course for some the 16x24 mm sensor format is a limitation. But used with its limitations in mind, it has everything you need to do high quality photography and produces outstanding results.

    I can't wait to get my hands on the A12 Camera Mount. Just got a confirmation email from Popflash last evening to tell me they expect mine to be available about the second week of September. I'm jazzed!

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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    Godfrey - thanks again for the detailed explanation.

    Having the visual confirmation on top of the body is nice - I would prefer this over an audible indication.

    I'm comfortable using zone focus but was more concerned about situations when I am shooting with narrow dof - where as you describe the best approach is probably to compose and focus on LCD. Unfortunately it is this scenario (narrow dof) where I like holding the camera to my eye for stability and keeping the subject in focus.

    Seems like the EVF is the way to go for MF lenses - at least for my preferred style of shooting.

    Looking forward to seeing some photos with your new M-mount!

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    You're welcome, Joe.

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainjoe View Post
    ... I'm comfortable using zone focus but was more concerned about situations when I am shooting with narrow dof - where as you describe the best approach is probably to compose and focus on LCD. Unfortunately it is this scenario (narrow dof) where I like holding the camera to my eye for stability and keeping the subject in focus.

    Seems like the EVF is the way to go for MF lenses - at least for my preferred style of shooting.
    I'm in full agreement on this: when you want to work with longer focal lengths or wider apertures, with an eye-level viewfinder, the EVF is the best tool for the job. The neat part about the GXR is that the LCD, the EVF and optical viewfinders are all peer tools with their niche of best applicability, to use as your particular desires and needs find best advantage.

    I've been surprised by how easy and useful it can be to use the LCD for what I at another time thought would be much better handled by an eye-level viewfinder. It's made me discard some of my earlier preconceptions about LCD finders ... with 3", high resolution LCDs of this quality, a lot of the earlier complaints based on resolution, ability to see the subject clearly, etc are no longer applicable. And the fact that it takes a somewhat different technique to hold the camera still doesn't mean that it can't be done, is hard to do, or isn't just as effective.

    The use of an LCD in bright lit circumstances is one of the few areas where an eye level viewfinder of some type is almost always a better pick, also the use with very long lenses, but generally speaking the modern LCD viewfinder is much more versatile and useful than this old fuddy-duddy at first imagined. :-)

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    One of the DPR folks had a hands on with the GXR and wrote up his quick impressions:

    http://ricoh-gr-diary.blogspot.com/2...pressions.html

    Also, two Japanese sites discuss it in more depth now:

    http://www.grblog.jp/2011/08/gxr-mou...t-hands-on.php
    http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/r...08_465663.html

    It's looking very nice. Just a few more weeks to fly by ... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    One of the DPR folks had a hands on with the GXR and wrote up his quick impressions:

    http://ricoh-gr-diary.blogspot.com/2...pressions.html

    Also, two Japanese sites discuss it in more depth now:

    http://www.grblog.jp/2011/08/gxr-mou...t-hands-on.php
    http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/r...08_465663.html

    It's looking very nice. Just a few more weeks to fly by ... :-)
    Thanks for the info, Godfrey. I think I just died and went to heaven

    I wonder how the red dot people will respond to this?

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    Anyone know where I can preorder one in the UK please?
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    Answering my own question above :roll eyes:

    Park Camera are accepting pre orders (no UK price yet).

    Question for you GXR aficionados, should I buy the GXR camera and an A12 50 or 28 now to play with until the M module is available?

    I'm leaning towards the A12 50mm for its macro capabilities.

    I plan to use my existing Voigtlander, Zeiss and Leica M lenses on the GXR M when I can get hold of it. I currently have an M8u and plan to keep it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Answering my own question above :roll eyes:

    Park Camera are accepting pre orders (no UK price yet).

    Question for you GXR aficionados, should I buy the GXR camera and an A12 50 or 28 now to play with until the M module is available?

    I'm leaning towards the A12 50mm for its macro capabilities.

    I plan to use my existing Voigtlander, Zeiss and Leica M lenses on the GXR M when I can get hold of it. I currently have an M8u and plan to keep it as well.
    Sorry I couldn't help you find a UK vendor. ;-)

    Sure, why not get a body and camera unit to learn with while you wait for the A12 Camera Mount to become available? Both the A12 camera units do a great job, and Keith has posted some excellent with with even the inexpensive P10 ultra-zoom camera unit. The GXR with either the P10 or S10 becomes a very handy zoom point and shoot type of camera.

    I have both of the A12 camera units. They've made an awful lot of excellent photos for me.

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    I believe that Ricoh has priced the GXR/P10 package for an attractive entry level option. Last time I looked the price was lower than a Canon G11. The raw files from this lens work well for post processing and it makes a great travel camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Sorry I couldn't help you find a UK vendor. ;-)

    Sure, why not get a body and camera unit to learn with while you wait for the A12 Camera Mount to become available? Both the A12 camera units do a great job, and Keith has posted some excellent with with even the inexpensive P10 ultra-zoom camera unit. The GXR with either the P10 or S10 becomes a very handy zoom point and shoot type of camera.

    I have both of the A12 camera units. They've made an awful lot of excellent photos for me.
    I might do that Godfrey, thanks. It would be so annoying to have the camera body and no sensor/lens while I wait for the M module.

    I plan to dispose of the wee Lumix TZ10 point and shoot, a camera that I used along with my M8 when I was on holiday. It is pretty good especially for macro type shots and has GPS tagging. I missed an EVF though.
    I do have the iPhone for GPS tagging so I guess I can part with the TZ10.

    I'm sure I will have a lot more questions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    I believe that Ricoh has priced the GXR/P10 package for an attractive entry level option. Last time I looked the price was lower than a Canon G11. The raw files from this lens work well for post processing and it makes a great travel camera.

    Keith
    Thanks Keith, I just noticed that my favourite RAW program - Aperture - doesn't support the Ricoh

    I do have Capture 1 so I suppose...
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    Re: Ricoh GXR - M Lens camera unit almost there ...

    I do have a couple of questions:

    Is the charger included with camera body purchase?

    Is the camera strap included?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Thanks Keith, I just noticed that my favourite RAW program - Aperture - doesn't support the Ricoh
    I do have Capture 1 so I suppose...
    David,
    Aperture 3.1.3 with CR 3.7.1 on my Mac using OS 10.6.8 works fine with GXR raw files.

    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    I do have a couple of questions:

    Is the charger included with camera body purchase?

    Is the camera strap included?
    Yes and yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    I do have a couple of questions:

    Is the charger included with camera body purchase?

    Is the camera strap included?
    Yes, charger and battery are included with the body.

    The strap included with the body works but is kinda rough edged. Ricoh sells an excellent, comfortable leather accessory neckstrap (I think model ST-1), and their bottom half-cases (SC-65 and SC-75) are beautifully finished leather as well and include a better strap.

    Current Aperture 3 release running on Lion processes GXR raw files (native DNG) very nicely. So do all versions of Camera Raw, Lightroom and other DNG compatible software.

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    I second and third the suggestions that you go ahead and get a Ricoh lens module along with the camera body while you wait, David. The current A12 lenses are both excellent and, if nothing else, they would give you AF capability for when that would be useful.

    One thought, though, about which one to begin with:

    Unless you already have M-mount lenses with focal lengths of 18mm or less, you might do well to consider the A12/28mm lens instead of the A12/50. If you're heavily into macro, that would certainly be a consideration, but you'd be less likely to have unwanted duplication if you started out with the A12/28. I own both, and use them both, but am settling down to the 28 as my main lens.

    Your mileage, of course, may vary, but I first became interested in the 28 because someone with an M9 had opted to use it on the GXR instead of buying Leica glass for his M9. I'm not qualified to suggest there'd be no discernible difference, I'm just saying he thought it a workable setup.

    We'll be looking forward to seeing your photos in either case, and hope you enjoy your own solution immensely!

    All the best,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irenaeus View Post
    ...
    Unless you already have M-mount lenses with focal lengths of 18mm or less, you might do well to consider the A12/28mm lens instead of the A12/50. If you're heavily into macro, that would certainly be a consideration, but you'd be less likely to have unwanted duplication if you started out with the A12/28. I own both, and use them both, but am settling down to the 28 as my main lens. ...
    This is a good point. The A12 28mm camera unit is very nicely optimized and the combination of "Spot AF" and "Full Press Snap" mode makes it a very practical shooting tool for a very wide angle FoV.

    I have both A12 camera units and find that I go about a week of using each of them. In essence, the GXR with these two modules is like having two separate fixed prime lens cameras, each with its own character. Fitting the EVF instead of an optical viewfinder also changes the nature of the camera ... I spent all day Monday documenting the renovation of my condo's windows using the EVF and 28mm lens where the GXR feels like a diminutive but professional wide-angle camera with all the in-viewfinder information of an SLR system camera.

    Ah ... just two-three more weeks now. ;-)

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    Thanks all for the input, very good to know that I was wrong about Aperture not supporting the Ricoh. Don't know how I came to that conclusion, I must have been looking at an outdated Apple Aperture support page or something.

    So, I have ordered the GXR+P10 bundle + VF-2 +LC-2 + Leather Strap + Spare Battery and will get the A12 Mount when available.

    @ Irenaeus: I do have an 18mm Zeiss for wide-angle, but may at a later date look at the A12 modules, but for now this is enough to be spending in one go.
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    More sample photos taken with GXR A12 Mount and various lenses Here
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    Thanks for the link, David

    The Voightlander 40mm 1.4 fits the GXR well, and the images look good. I have one of those

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    Thanks for the link, David

    The Voightlander 40mm 1.4 fits the GXR well, and the images look good. I have one of those
    +1 ... Mine should arrive in a couple of days.

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    Yes, all looks very good indeed.

    Just received the GXR camera and lensor today. Battery charged and firmware updated. I like the build and handling so far. EVF is fine, especially good for a glasses wearer like myself.

    Do you guys bother with an LCD protector? I ordered a GGS one, but may not fit it, will see.

    The leather strap is on back order so have fitted the standard one for now, rather than risk dropping it.

    May have a quick browse through the manual(s) now, so many of them plus correction sheets etc and of course firmware upgrade notes.
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