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    Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Hi There
    I've been working today, but I did manage to get out for an hour in the morning, and another in the evening:
    these are with the Sony 20mm f2.8








    and these with the the 70-300G



    these are Polish ponies which live wild on the fenland near us - they seem to have been having trouble with burr's in their manes.
    http://www.slack.co.uk/oddsandends/_DSC1008.jpg

    Arthur is doing the ploughing again!



    Chickens in the next post!

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    more with the 20 f2.8 . . .





    It's a nice small lens, but if you want the best out of it then you
    need to stop it down a bit, and there is some barrel distortion too.
    it isn't as sharp as the Zeiss 24-70 at 24 either.

    the rest are with the Sony 70-300 G - this is a wonderful lens - it
    seems to be sharp right to 300mm.







    I'm afraid our chickens aren't really looking their best at the
    moment, but, I thought I'd persecute them a bit - I've included 100%
    crops for the first two shots, all of them were taken at or around
    300mm









    This last one was my favorite though



    Prints are looking splendid - even very big prints, but what is most
    surprising is that the extra resolution even seems to be giving small
    prints an extra 'zing'

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Another impressive set, Jono - clearly you and the Sony are well suited.
    I do find the background in the chicken crop with the green background a bit 'speckly' though.
    Sláinte

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    Another impressive set, Jono - clearly you and the Sony are well suited.
    I do find the background in the chicken crop with the green background a bit 'speckly' though.
    Hi Bertie
    Probably Aperture getting a bit overenthusiastic with the web output (of course, I'm completely innocent)

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Hi Jono, is there a problem with your site? I'm not getting the images here... so are you keeping your Nikon kit as well?

    Cheers

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Hi Jono, is there a problem with your site? I'm not getting the images here... so are you keeping your Nikon kit as well?

    Cheers

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    Hi Brian
    They're working for me, but sometimes on Sundays they do something or other and it isn't so good.

    And the answer is NO - Nikon kit gone (of course, the Olympus gear is staying, although my E3 is going off to have it's LCD resealed (I'm not sure that it's necessary, but the dealer says 'do it').

    Can you see them now?

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Jono, I really like the photos with the 20/2.8, especially the second and third in this thread and the one with your dog . The last rooster shot is fantastic.

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Hi Jono, it's working now... that last rooster shot is delightful!

    Kind Regards

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    p.s. any chance of seeing a shot of your A900 next to your M8... which would you rather take to a party?

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Listen to the ROOSTER Sing...Brilliant Shot

    I'm quite Impressed with the Sony
    Just Wondering Jono, which do YOU prefer overall the Oly OR Sony ?

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    At these web sizes, the Sony looks a bit like the Oly, which is a good thing! Both have very nice colors, though I think I can tell the difference. Looking forward to one of Jono's blinded tests between the Sony and the Olympus!

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by asabet View Post
    Jono, I really like the photos with the 20/2.8, especially the second and third in this thread and the one with your dog . The last rooster shot is fantastic.
    Thank you Amin - it's such a nice small lens, but it does need stopping down for it's best, and there is a little simple barrel distortion as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by asabet View Post
    At these web sizes, the Sony looks a bit like the Oly, which is a good thing! Both have very nice colors, though I think I can tell the difference. Looking forward to one of Jono's blinded tests between the Sony and the Olympus!
    I think it looks a bit like the Oly as well - lovely colours, I think that the A900 are a little more 'transparent', but it's a tough call

    Hmm, blind test - would it just be 100% crops (with the distance organised so that they were the same portion of the image) - or scaled down . . it's quite hard to make a sensible comparison.
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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    p.s. any chance of seeing a shot of your A900 next to your M8... which would you rather take to a party?

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    Ker . . . .Plunk (goes the A900)
    Click.Dzzzzzzzt (goes the M8)

    Pick your poison! The A900 is louder, but lower and less harsh.
    Mind you - both of them are much noisier than an E1, and even the E3 is a little quieter.

    The M8 does seem to be almost invisible at parties, and the A900 certainly isn't, although I think it's often lens size that intimidates people.

    Glad you liked the shots . . . . you don't really want a picture of them together do you? I could put the E3 in as well!

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    Listen to the ROOSTER Sing...Brilliant Shot

    I'm quite Impressed with the Sony
    Just Wondering Jono, which do YOU prefer overall the Oly OR Sony ?

    Best to You. H
    They're called Cockerel's over this side of the pond, and if that's singing then Bob Dylan is really Kiri Takanawa!

    Which do I like best? Well, they're just really different, Olympus still has the lens advantage, but the extra resolution is nice to have - I guess if you're asking the question half way up a hill in Crete then it's the Olympus, and if it's in a field in Suffolk then probably the A900 . . . .

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Hi Jono, a shot of all three together would be very interesting - only if it's not too much trouble!

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Hi Jono, a shot of all three together would be very interesting - only if it's not too much trouble!

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    Sheesh Brian
    Okayy:



    Is that what you meant?

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hmm, blind test - would it just be 100% crops (with the distance organised so that they were the same portion of the image) - or scaled down . . it's quite hard to make a sensible comparison.
    I think scaled down to typical web size is more fun. Color and bokeh come across even in the small sizes. 100% is fun too though .

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by asabet View Post
    I think scaled down to typical web size is more fun. Color and bokeh come across even in the small sizes. 100% is fun too though .
    The nice thing about this forum is that it WOULD be fun (try doing it on dpreview and watch the bullets fly!).

    Perhaps two tests are in order, but, truth to tell, I'm very busy at the moment, so I'll do my best to provide you with some amusement!

    (let's face it, meaningful does NOT come into it!)

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    Your allowed all the fun you want here. We encourage it. LOL
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Your allowed all the fun you want here. We encourage it. LOL
    Ah but . . . like you, I have a living to earn, and posting equal handed crops of 4:3 and full sensor cameras is not the way to earn it!

    Mind you, I'll probably get there.

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Thanks Jono,

    all three look surprisingly similar in size. Very helpful!

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Hmmm. I shot some pics at my relatives 70th birthday at the National Theatre last Friday, following on from the shots I took a week earlier at my colleagues wedding in Geneva, all with the Nikon D700. Some were at 12,000 ISO and they had excellent colour and detail. You have seen a few from the wedding already. How would the Sony have fared?

    I like what I see from your skilled hands, Jono, but I worry that the A900 is a one trick pony - high resolution certainly, but maybe less good than the excellent D700, with its long Nikon heritage, elsewhere.

    Keep the samples coming, Jono, including a few at high ISO (how about 6,400?).

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Hmmm. I shot some pics at my relatives 70th birthday at the National Theatre last Friday, following on from the shots I took a week earlier at my colleagues wedding in Geneva, all with the Nikon D700. Some were at 12,000 ISO and they had excellent colour and detail. You have seen a few from the wedding already. How would the Sony have fared?
    Well, without having tried it, I don't know - certainly 12,000 would be impossible. Some have reported that if you scale the images down to the same size as the D3 images at 3200 and 6400, then the difference is not so great (David Kilpatrick from BJP)

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    I like what I see from your skilled hands, Jono, but I worry that the A900 is a one trick pony - high resolution certainly, but maybe less good than the excellent D700, with its long Nikon heritage, elsewhere.
    Well, on that basis you could say that the D700 was a one trick pony as well - high ISO being that trick.

    Actually using the camera I'd say the Sony was much nicer to use, kind of like a cross between Nikon and Olympus. One real joy is the 'spot toggle' exposure lock button - i.e., leave it on matrix metering, but if you want a spot from a point, you press the button and it takes a spot reading from the point, and then locks that until you press the button again. I use this all the time.

    Menus are much easier and simpler (and with less options of course!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Keep the samples coming, Jono, including a few at high ISO (how about 6,400?).

    I guess there is no one perfect tool, but we can dream

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    Re: Tractors, chickens and 20mm f2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
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    This last one was my favorite though


    Mine, too. Wonderful shot! They all look great to me, Jono, but it's no surprise that you make the A900 sing. All the technical analysis is great (but boring to me) in the end it's whether you can use it to do what you want to do. Seems you can, in spades.
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