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    Re: Sigma DP3M

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    DP1M & DP2M & DP3M & 3 Franiec grips & 9 batteries & 2 chargers, my new travel combo.
    And a nice bag to slide them in side by side
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    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    DP1M & DP2M & DP3M & 3 Franiec grips & 9 batteries & 2 chargers, my new travel combo.
    Don't forget the tripod so that you can use ISO 100
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/grahamgibson/
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    OMG

    http://www.sigma-dp.com/DP3Merrill/s...o/SDIM1545.jpg

    but does it look real?

    and

    Sample Photo Gallery | SIGMA DP3 Merrill : Special Contents

    A generally beautiful microsite. I might be sold on 'A Longing for Simpler Times'

    SIGMA DP3 Merrill : Special Contents

    Lee
    Just openend up the Cathedral shot.

    Pardon my French but f&8k me!

    There is so much detail in that shot my eyeballs hurt!

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    Hello,

    I'm new to this forum, just to say I will have the DP3 Merrill in early March (release date in France). As many of you, I'm foveon addict since Sigma SD9 and can't stop using it.

    I sold my DP2 Merrill to fund my DP3m because I'm a long focal guy. So, If you are a long focal guy, I think this 75 mm equivalent will be outstanding; Leica class at least.

    It will be the ideal gear for light reproduction work, even pack shoot (Had some contracts lately and did some with the DP2m but he was too short).

    For portrait work, we will see.

    Anyway, can't wait having mine; as Quentin say, he is the sexiest of the DP
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

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    Pardon my French but f&8k me!

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    Louis.....for some reason this made me laugh REALLY REALLY hard.

    Thanks......R

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    I still see a greenish cast to some of the low light shots in the "Prague"series. That does not worry me because I can correct for it it but I am a bit surprised Sigma have not done so for these shots.
    What concerns me most is still seeing magenta/green splotches. But some shots are really good.

    Their brochure is pretty well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    Hello,

    I'm new to this forum, just to say I will have the DP3 Merrill in early March (release date in France). As many of you, I'm foveon addict since Sigma SD9 and can't stop using it.

    I sold my DP2 Merrill to fund my DP3m because I'm a long focal guy. So, If you are a long focal guy, I think this 75 mm equivalent will be outstanding; Leica class at least.

    It will be the ideal gear for light reproduction work, even pack shoot (Had some contracts lately and did some with the DP2m but he was too short).

    For portrait work, we will see.

    Anyway, can't wait having mine; as Quentin say, he is the sexiest of the DP
    I have to admit to you the new focal length is making me think, since I realize more of my street life is on the longer focal length. I am pretty sure portraits will be more than doable with this. Pocket-ability in pants is pretty much forsaken given the lens size, but a coat pocket should be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Bit boring. Not sure why that focal length is of much use. It certainly is not the "allrounder" as the link suggests, more of an oddball.
    Well to me a longer focal length is interesting. But also to note is that the lens has some telephoto macro capabilities, which is good (8.xx inches at 75mm equivalent).

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    What intrigues me most is that on several occasions in the 'fun with DP2M' thread posters asked for a model with a focal length like the DP3M.

    Perhaps Sigma is one of the few manufacturers actually following threads at GerDPI?
    Umm don't kid yourself :-) This was already planned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Who cares about the so called Brenizer method this thread was supposed to be about the DP3m

    Of course I will buy one. I'm addicted to the Merrils. However one is getting to the point of asking Sigma why not do what Leica did and design a lens with three fixed focal lengths? Three cameras is getting a little too much, methinks.

    And yes, it will be good for panos, possibly even better for ultra high resolution panos at the DP2M is.

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    Louis.....for some reason this made me laugh REALLY REALLY hard.

    Thanks......R
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    OT: a friend of mine worked in a record company auditioning tapes hopeful bands would send in (I wonder if they are now called 'digital download companies'?).

    I asked him once to explain to me how he knew he had a hot hit on his hands.

    "Oh, that's easy" he replied, "I listen for the FM factor"
    "FM factor?" " I quizzed, "What is that?"
    "Well, I listen to the tape and what I am hoping for is that pretty much as soon as the band starts playing my first reaction is f&*% me!"

    I've adopted the same reaction when viewing photographs. That Cathedral shot has a very high FM factor. You just know it would blow up into a 30x20 print that would look absolutely gorgeous.

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    Some pictures with the DP3m out of SPP Monochrome

    SIGMA Monochrome - a set on Flickr

    And some colours :

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/shio/se...7632641352067/


    NOTA : This was done with a beta device.
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    Those photographs are not really inspiring and look rather dull.

    Let's hope the real production one is a lot better for the inspired photographer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Those photographs are not really inspiring and look rather dull.

    Let's hope the real production one is a lot better for the inspired photographer

    Michiel
    I totally agree with you and I think most of the other participants of this thread too.

    By looking at the exifs front the photographed subjects I came with 3 conclusions :

    ¤ SIGMA asked him to shoot only between f2.8 and f4.5 (witch I doubt but can be possible with unfinished product).

    ¤ The guy was exited by the product and used it like he use the DP2 Merrill ... witch lead me to the third conclusion ...

    ¤ With all due respect to this photographer, he does not know really well how to shoot with a given focal length : He is simply an amateur photographer with a test toy.
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    When it the blasted thing going to be available to buy?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    When it the blasted thing going to be available to buy?!
    For us, start of March in UK + France.

    I think SIGMA do not read the forums. With what you produce, I would have sent you a test unit ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    For us, start of March in UK + France.

    I think SIGMA do not read the forums. With what you produce, I would have sent you a test unit ...
    Ha! thanks, Hulyss, I guess I can wait a few more weeks. I'm pretty sure we will all be happy with it - I wonder if its macro capability is better than the DP2 with close up accessory lens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Ha! thanks, Hulyss, I guess I can wait a few more weeks. I'm pretty sure we will all be happy with it - I wonder if its macro capability is better than the DP2 with close up accessory lens?

    Quentin
    The DP2m with AML-2 Close-up lens output some nice photos BUT I think the DP3m will nail it for real.

    At first, just to speak about quickness of use. While you need to unscrew the lens hood and screw the AML-2, the DP3m, in two click, is operational for macro use with certainly nicer bokeh and better perspectives (absolutely less wide angle).

    But I seen what we can call a sort of anomaly, on DP2m as well on the DP3m test shoots : The DP2m is not that good in close-up at f2.8. We can see a sort of very subtitle glare/softness, something similar with what we can see out of the CZ 50f1.4 @ f1.4/1.9 (in far less pronounced). I don't know why but this anomaly disappear once your get farther from the subject. Probably something to do with retrofocus diffraction when a certain lens group move too close to the sensor. We can see it here, for example : http://www.flickr.com/photos/shio/84...57632641352067

    I may say that it is not so bad, after all, for portraits

    As I can see, the DP3m do have the same anomaly but this is not a problem given the focal length (at least for me).

    Anyway, for my unit, the best bokeh out of the DP2 Merrill is at f3.2, not 2.8, and I'm pretty sure it will be the same with the DP3m
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    When it the blasted thing going to be available to buy?!
    Available for pre-order now from B&H, priced at $999. Expected 2/28/13.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Available for pre-order now from B&H, priced at $999. Expected 2/28/13.
    Not UK though yet, Grrrr!!!
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    So, given the beta shoots above, I found an interesting photo to work with. I will shoot Humans with this device and she react well under mixed tricky lightning. I get the jpeg and tweaked it to see and it confirm I will buy this camera. You can see my subtitle tweak in the pictures below, the first is the original, the second is the adjusted one for ASIAN skin only. There is far different settings for different skins. Credit photo : digitalbear
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    Hulyss: I like the treatment. God knows I have enough cameras, but...

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    Hulyss: I like the treatment. God knows I have enough cameras, but...
    Hello Kit,

    The treatment is simple. In CS6 you select the pipette to seek info in the picture. The Info we are looking for are white (255;255;255) and black (0;0;0) or what it come closer. Once you got the info, you open a level layer and take the black point pipette to click on your black (or closer) and then, the white point pipette to click on you white. Fusion layer.

    Second operation is going to hue saturation. Select Red and type +5 then, go in Yellow and type -8 (-8 is the yellow pre set for Asian skin independent of lightning source, other skin may vary between -5 and -15. Still working on black skins)

    Third operation is to go in filter >> noise reduction >> color noise reduction >> 100%

    and voila

    This will sort out a load of so called "foveon problems".

    IF the Hue/Saturation operations above impact too much other coloured objects in the photo, just duplicate you background layer, apply the hue/saturation trick, fusion with below layer, take the eraser and erase all "non human" areas, fusion with back ground and voila.
    Last edited by Hulyss Bowman; 6th February 2013 at 04:15.
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    Some pictures with the DP3m out of SPP Monochrome

    SIGMA Monochrome - a set on Flickr

    And some colours :

    DP3 Merrill (beta) Test - a set on Flickr


    NOTA : This was done with a beta device.
    Err...no. Frankly I get nothing from these "snaps". They do little for the camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Err...no. Frankly I get nothing from these "snaps". They do little for the camera.
    They do nothing but it show how SIGMA chose beta tester
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    It's still pretty much the same story to me from these BETA samples: Details are there, but I dislike the skin tones especially on Asian skin. If you need the focal length on a Sigma DP Merril camera, this is it!

    The suggested pricing $999 is great news! I really hope Sigma's next announcement is neither camera or lens, but they have been working fully with Adobe in getting correct profiles for Lightroom..... yeah, I know, dream on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    It's still pretty much the same story to me from these BETA samples: Details are there, but I dislike the skin tones especially on Asian skin. If you need the focal length on a Sigma DP Merril camera, this is it!
    If you look at the EXIF for these, I don't think they were processed very well. For one thing the color mode on all of them is "standard" and I really think "Neutral" is a better base for color. Also, the indoor ones at least really abused the Fill Light feature of SPP, values as high as 1.1... that can also mess with colors and lead to odd artifacts.

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    Hi

    I looked at these flickr images and many of them have this green colour cast. Not only on skin. I have seen this on many other Sigma images on the net too. Also with other Sigma cameras.

    But I never saw this green colour cast with the images shown in the DP2M thread here in the getdpi forum.

    So my question ist: What do you do differently to avoid this green colour cast? What are your settings in the camera, in SPP and in LR/PS?

    It seems to me that many Sigma users only develop the images wrongly in SPP. Is there a "how-to" guide to avoid this green colour cast?

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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    God knows I have enough cameras, but...
    You are lucky. Unfortunately, my wife found out too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    You are lucky. Unfortunately, my wife found out too...
    As long as I have fewer cameras than my wife has pricey handbags, I'm OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgelner View Post
    If you look at the EXIF for these, I don't think they were processed very well. For one thing the color mode on all of them is "standard" and I really think "Neutral" is a better base for color. Also, the indoor ones at least really abused the Fill Light feature of SPP, values as high as 1.1... that can also mess with colors and lead to odd artifacts.
    I have the DP2M myself, and it's not a matter of processing it well or not. Some just have more right than others.

    The DPx Merrils stands head and shoulders above everything else where it stands out, but falls flat in other areas. Asian skin tones in my opinion is where it falls flat. I'm also not a fan Nikon cameras for the same reason either, mostly subjective to me, so it may be argued!
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    The camera in the hand of a better photographer I let you translate.

    CASE OF SIGMA | DP3 Merill ?????????? | -photo.yodobashi.com-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    The camera in the hand of a better photographer I let you translate.

    CASE OF SIGMA | DP3 Merill ?????????? | -photo.yodobashi.com-
    Some great looking pictures.

    You could have a lot of fun with the DP3M because the fixed telephoto lens would make you work a lot harder to get your pictures - and photography if it is a passion should be hard work. But you can see the results when you get it right would be worth it.

    Incidentally, I really like that leather strap. Any idea who makes it?

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    Hello,

    Playing again with jpeg file found on Flickr. Some news, day after day and, for me, it start to have something. I take the example from this page : SIGMA DP3 Merrill Beta Test Photos - a set on Flickr

    Don't forget also to look at this photo because I personally love the bokeh : http://www.flickr.com/photos/minami/...7632685178741/

    And I took the guy with "cowboy" eyes. Here is what I get. In order, first is the original, second is the adjusted colour and third the B&W. Don't forget it is ISO 800 Shoot (like most of the photos)
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    Here is a close-up shoot with the DP3 Merrill, at 2.8

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    I can't quite believe this camera is first, but... has there ever been any other fixed telephoto only cameras either digital or film in the past? I will define this as over but not including 55mm (in 35mm terms). Perhaps better defined as FOV.

    Perhaps some specialist surveillance devices or special use but for a general purpose camera...

    I can't even think of one. Anyone?

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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    The Tele Rolleiflex with 135mm f/4 lens. Still in production as far as I know.



    You should of course buy the anniversary set:



    Only $37,995 at the auction site

    Rollei Rolleiflex Set "80 Years Edition" Prototype Set | eBay

    A set with the 3 Sigmas would be slightly cheaper as well as more convenient, me thinks, but the idea is the same
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    Some new test and photo about the DP3 Merrill - Start to look good

    SIGMA DP3 Merrill - Bic Photo Style
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    The new SIGMA PHOTO PRO is available Here :

    http://www.sigma-dp.com/download/photopro.html

    Enjoy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    The new SIGMA PHOTO PRO is available Here :

    SIGMA Photo Pro | SIGMA DP : Special Contents

    Enjoy
    Thanks, just downloaded it. Eventually one can turn off noise reduction.

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    If you're on a Mac, don't delete SPP 5.4 as Version 5.5 is buggy and will cause your app to freeze. Instructions state that one should delete the current version before installing the update and I did this before installing 5.5 It froze as soon as I tried to open an image. I trashed the app, re-installed it and it still freezes.
    I'm running OS 10.6.8 and the software freezes and will not run. After re-installing the prior Version 5.4 everything works fine.

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    Woohoo - has new monochrome setting. Very cool features.

    Camden Charlie - processed in SPP5.5, exported as TIFF into LR then exported from LR as JPEG. I admit I went a bit far on the grain feature.

    I'm sure others with a better understanding of B&W can do much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apocolibri View Post
    If you're on a Mac, don't delete SPP 5.4 as Version 5.5 is buggy and will cause your app to freeze. Instructions state that one should delete the current version before installing the update and I did this before installing 5.5 It froze as soon as I tried to open an image. I trashed the app, re-installed it and it still freezes.
    I'm running OS 10.6.8 and the software freezes and will not run. After re-installing the prior Version 5.4 everything works fine.
    I've got a similar setup (iMac & 10.6.8), with every version of SPP since 2.1 installed. I installed 5.5 and it's running fine for me—in fact I was running 5.4 and 5.5 concurrently. Monochrome works with my Merrill images, and the SD15 stuff I have seems to be acting fine.

    Are you getting any crash logs, or does it just sit and spin?

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    Ahhh. Switching from monochrome to color gave me a crash. I have a friend at Foveon who I send these bugs to. I'll see if there's an address they'd like them sent to...

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    Downloaded the new SPP version today, Mac on 10.8.2. All is well, working fine.

    I boosted the red a bit, and made minor adjustments to exposure and contrast.

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    Jim: on my Mac it just sits and spins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kofronj View Post
    I've got a similar setup (iMac & 10.6.8), with every version of SPP since 2.1 installed. I installed 5.5 and it's running fine for me—in fact I was running 5.4 and 5.5 concurrently. Monochrome works with my Merrill images, and the SD15 stuff I have seems to be acting fine.

    Are you getting any crash logs, or does it just sit and spin?

    Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by apocolibri View Post
    If you're on a Mac, don't delete SPP 5.4 as Version 5.5 is buggy and will cause your app to freeze. Instructions state that one should delete the current version before installing the update and I did this before installing 5.5 It froze as soon as I tried to open an image. I trashed the app, re-installed it and it still freezes.
    I'm running OS 10.6.8 and the software freezes and will not run. After re-installing the prior Version 5.4 everything works fine.
    On a Mac you don't need to un-install the older version, that's for Windows...

    As to freezing, try just letting it sit for a little while. It took some time to open a large directory of images, as first I thought it had frozen also.

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    End of the review of the DP3m on CASE OF SIGMA :

    CASE OF SIGMA | DP3 Merill ?????????? | -photo.yodobashi.com-
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