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    And another great and huge review from DC watch

    SIGMA DP3 Merrill



    Wowowo the samples are over what I expected .. can't waitttttt !!!!!

    SIGMA DP3 Merrill????????
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    One man already have it since yesterday in Europe (I don't know how) and his first impressions are :

    "great lens like DP2M. Even less chrom. aberr. with 2.8. Very balanced in the hand"
    His name is "arcaswissi" and here is his newborn DP3 gallery :

    Sigma DP3 Merrill - a set on Flickr

    Look like the lens is close to have an APO design. That's cool for what I want to do with the 3M
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    Now it's starting to look better. It seems Voigtlander do a 75mm viewfinder, don't know how accurate it would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete_G View Post
    Now it's starting to look better. It seems Voigtlander do a 75mm viewfinder, don't know how accurate it would be.
    where did you see this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4711 View Post
    where did you see this?
    Here >>> Voigtlander Viewfinders - Stephen Gandy's CameraQuest
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    I downloaded the last portrait from DC Watch, enlarged it to 5000 x 7500 pixels or roughly 36MP (bicubic smoother in CS6, USM 75/0.4/0) and made a crop. Here it is:



    Taken with a camera that would fit in a pocket!

    I keep trying to convince myself that I don't need any of these Sigma cameras, but it ain't easy. The three of them cost what? A little more than a D800? Obviously, photos from the D800 can be enlarged even more and that camera can do things that would be impossible with these tiny creatures. But a couple of these tiny things, I could bring anywhere, getting photos that a camera sitting at home in the bag would never capture.

    Hmmmm, hmmmmmm and double hmmmmmmmm.
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    Some fresh news :

    First, I will have my precious next week and I'm happy Will come with 3 batteries, SAC-5, lens hood, Heliopan SHPMC UV filter 52mm and so on ...

    Second, and do not ask me how I know that, it seems there will a cash back outside Japan borders after all . It is just a bit long to set all the system, at least in Europe, and I speak for France. More news between the 1st and 3rd of March.

    Now, about the actuals samples we can see here and here, and this is just my opinion and my photographer's eye point of view, it seems the colorimetric rendering is different than DP1m and DP2m, more realist and adjusted.
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    DP3M in stock now at B&H

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    Yes

    I go take my DP Monday afternoon. Thing is that the Lens hood will have some delay, it will be in stock around the 15th of March so don't worry if you can't buy it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    Yes

    I go take my DP Monday afternoon. Thing is that the Lens hood will have some delay, it will be in stock around the 15th of March so don't worry if you can't buy it now.
    That's good to know. Did what I thought was an exhaustive search for the hood last night and couldn't find anything other than the LH-3 name for it. I'll wait for it like I did for the hoods for the 1 & 2.

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    Guess we'll find out soon enough if the DP3 is as sharp as the DP2.

    If it is I see no point to having both.

    I'll probably wind up w. a DP1 and either the 2 or 3.

    If the 3 turns out as good as the 2 I like the 28-75 range I'd have between the 1 and 3.

    That would cover 95% of my needs.

    Looking forward to hearing the reports on the 3's sharpness throughout the frame, and how well it compares w the 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    Guess we'll find out soon enough if the DP3 is as sharp as the DP2.

    If it is I see no point to having both.

    I'll probably wind up w. a DP1 and either the 2 or 3.

    If the 3 turns out as good as the 2 I like the 28-75 range I'd have between the 1 and 3.

    That would cover 95% of my needs.

    Looking forward to hearing the reports on the 3's sharpness throughout the frame, and how well it compares w the 2.
    If it wasn't as sharp as the DP2 Merrill, I wouldn't buy it at all. I say the lens is even better than the DP2m, ending in less chroma derivations over the frame.

    Don't forget this is a little telephoto thus can't really compare with the DP2m. For example, if you shoot a bookshelves at f2.8 from 2 meters with the DP2m, you will have a sharp picture edge to edge, corner to corner. This is not true with the DP3m, and not because his lens is inferior, just because of the focal and DOF. With the DP3m you should go to 3 or even 5 meters to have the same flat plan sharp edge to edge, corner to corner.

    Hope people understand my French.

    Bear in mind that the DP3m lens is equal if not superior to the DP2m and better matted to the sensor (less chroma problems in the edges of the sensor). Telecentrism is easier with long focal than with short focal. Since the Merrill sensor work at his max only with real telecentric lenses ... you get my elementary conclusion
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    Here's some Sigma DP3M impressions, as I had a chance to try one briefly last Friday:

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    To my incredible surprise a friend of mine, that we have been both chiding each other about who will get a sigma dp Merrill first called me for a coffee and showed me the impossible- A sigma dp3m right in front of me. He revealed his secret- he just ordered it last Tuesday from Sigma ditectly and got it yesterday.

    So a couple of impression from playing with it a scant ten minutes:

    - lens seems sharp & good with nice bokeh

    - manual focus ring feels real nice. Wasnt expecting that. Has enough resistance to feel "class" but not too much. I find it very nice.

    - close up/macro distance is nice. Not super super macro but its nice.

    - overall buttons feel "sturdy enough" that they don't feel bad but decent

    - image quality - didnt shoot much but seems obviously good with color reproduction akin to what I remember my dp2. (Iso 100). Did not see any weird color artifacts that were obvious to me in the shots I tried.

    Makes me wonder for aps plot secoi luff Signa had a chance to improve the low level pipeline for it or even the sensor tolerances (hard to tell with not so many shots).

    - iso 1600 color (dayligh and shade ) looks O-K

    - iso 3200 makes a leap to not much good at all. Could still use b&w

    - iso 6400 in color was pretty horrible and b&w was bad (less horrible but still bad)

    All conditions in good daylight with a mix of light and shade.

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    Some samples (note: not 100% files so no 100% crops but you should get an idea of the bokeh)



    Sample shot ISO 4000 in B&W (unfortunately daylight/good light high iso doesn't mean much)



    - Ricardo
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    Hey Ricardo, thanks for posting. The second shot looks kind of blurred. Did it misfocus on the hand? Hard to believe it's motion blur since the shutter speed is 1/2000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    Hey Ricardo, thanks for posting. The second shot looks kind of blurred. Did it misfocus on the hand? Hard to believe it's motion blur since the shutter speed is 1/2000.
    Remember it's ISO 4000. I am not selecting noise reduction but there may be some or just the way the data is at that ISO. Some of the noise and the way the tones are take a toll.

    Also I used the blue filter (to reduce the noise). At 100% you can see some of the noise collectively probably makes the shot look a bit like that reduced. There's a mix of lack of detail but along with details in the 100% shot.

    Finally some areas will also start to defocus, even at F5.6 due to the framing/distance and the 75mm lens equivalence (or 50mm full frame, etc.).


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    At home Will try it out tomorrow if weather is ok. First impression : files do not have the same behaviour as the DP2m files, as I suspected. Better colour quality / accuracy. It's like going from SD14 to SD15... a step forward
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    I feel your pain and confusion Hulyss...and for similar reasons to your own
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    Damn weather ... Well, I will do some studio test too so I will mimic the sun
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    So, do not panic, I'm actually testing the beast and now, with the new SPP, the new focal, the weather ... I take my time. I will take some days, no rush, to test it, a to give you a little report

    So my first words, but I already said it : Colours are absolutely right, skin tones are absolutely right, nothing to compare to his little bross the DP2m.
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    So, already now the DP2m is ready for the trashcan?

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    To what do you attribute the improved color rendition:

    Lens
    Firmware
    PP Software

    Sensor?

    Could firmware make the same changes to DP2&3, or is it fundamental hardware difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    So, already now the DP2m is ready for the trashcan?
    I sold it already (had a good price, sold it 780 € six month after buying it). Sad but true, I was not comfortable with the DP2m, even though I am a DP2 user since the start. Also, I do portrait and, since I got first the SD1, I was not comfortable with skin tones out of the Merrill. It needed either good conditions and/or PS tweaks.

    The DP3 Merrill was a bet for me. And my bet was right: this is the camera I wanted since more than a year when I sold my two SD15 and SD1m. I wanted the colour accuracy of the SD15 and now I have it with a class leading lens on a wonderful sensor

    Quote Originally Posted by Rand47 View Post
    To what do you attribute the improved color rendition:
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    I think it is a combination between the lens and the internal program of the machine, maybe some electronic tweak I dunno. The sensor is the same, for sure. SIGMA are specialists of that. They are able to make huge quality step with the same material, the same sensor, just by improving some inside electronics.

    I think SIGMA need more time than other company to optimize the "code", the interpretation of the imager. In SIGMA world (trust me), when a sensor come out, wait the latest camera equipped with this very same sensor.
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    Well Hulyss, we will see. Besides, it has not the focal lengths, I have much use for at the moment.
    I am glad you are happy with it, but for what I do I think I stick to the DP2m.

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    I like 75mm a lot but still find 50mm more versatile.
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    Uwe, My primary scenic camera for the past year has been the NEX7 with the 45mm Contax G lens on it (67.5mm) because of its stellar performance with this lens. Having the 30mm on my DP2m (45mm) perspective has been a welcome change not to mention the improve IQ the Merrill produces

    At this point I can see myself going for a DP1m more than the DP3m for what I do.

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    Yes exactly. People should use the camera they need, first. It really depend of what kind of photos you do. It is like the rolleiflex line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Uwe, My primary scenic camera for the past year has been the NEX7 with the 45mm Contax G lens on it (67.5mm) because of its stellar performance with this lens. Having the 30mm on my DP2m (45mm) perspective has been a welcome change not to mention the improve IQ the Merrill produces

    At this point I can see myself going for a DP1m more than the DP3m for what I do.

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    I think its the good light... The samples on Sigmas page do also have the green shadow thing... When the light is ok, it doesnt happen...

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    Hulyss,

    Even your first attempts show that the lens looks the equal to the DP2M, something that I wasn't getting from previous "test" shots. I'll stick with the wider lens as I prefer places to faces, and can't get used to the idea of 2 cameras, but the DP3M looks like another winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adsf View Post
    I think its the good light... The samples on Sigmas page do also have the green shadow thing... When the light is ok, it doesnt happen...
    Nope it isn't the good light

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete_G View Post
    Hulyss,

    Even your first attempts show that the lens looks the equal to the DP2M, something that I wasn't getting from previous "test" shots. I'll stick with the wider lens as I prefer places to faces, and can't get used to the idea of 2 cameras, but the DP3M looks like another winner.
    I just finished my test shoots. I need some time to write about it but yes : This is a winner.
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    Lots of words here, testing, blabla. Who needs a test. Where are the pics, please.

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    Showed up on my doorstep today. I'm charging batteries and will have something up before the day is done.

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    will get a review camera soon.
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    Here are several from the DP3M. These are nowhere in the same offering as others in this forum (my first photo posting in any forum after many years of viewing the forums) but since the colors are a little more realistic to me than the DP2M or DP!M which I also own, I thought others would like to see. All are out of SPP into LR4. I thought that the camera was set to aperture mode but alas it was in program mode. I usually shoot in aperture priority mode. All taken with tripod support.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    will get a review camera soon.
    Yes soon But the weather is gruesome
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    Yes soon But the weather is gruesome
    excuses, excuses,

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    Little update after the new DP1m and DP2m firmware. It seems that the colors do not change on the DP1/2, even after the update. Of course we need more feedback. For now here is what B&W RAW mode can bring out of the DP3 merrill (and the others obviously): The high ISO possibilitys

    ISO 800





    ISO 1600




    ISO 2000




    There is also absolutely NO BANDING on the photos I did since Monday, even at High ISO.
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    Those look great

    this camera is a temptation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    I think it is a combination between the lens and the internal program of the machine, maybe some electronic tweak I dunno. The sensor is the same, for sure. SIGMA are specialists of that. They are able to make huge quality step with the same material, the same sensor, just by improving some inside electronics.

    I think SIGMA need more time than other company to optimize the "code", the interpretation of the imager. In SIGMA world (trust me), when a sensor come out, wait the latest camera equipped with this very same sensor.
    Hopefully there will be a firmware update for the DP2m that improves colours in a similar way. I would prefer keeping the DP2m for its versatile focal length.
    Thanks for the good news !

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    They look great to me Hulyss...... looks like you have yourself a winner!

    I noted on another site I have yet to see the banding that is discussed on THAT ONLY site (in great lengths) on my DP2m or in fact the examples they post. They stated it must be my monitor..... it must be invisible to 2 Mac powerbooks, a Mac desktop, a iPad, and a iPhone then

    I went over my prints with a fine tooth comb and had other's look as well (now I have not printed a B&W yet) and no one has seen any banding. I have seen banding on my a77 high iso shots but not on this merrill as yet. Now I also only shoot my DP2m at 100iso too so that may be why we do not see the banding either..... I don't know but what I (or others) can't see won't hurt me ..... Seems strange to me that of the 4-5 sites on the web with DPxmerrill threads actively running only one site is focused on the "banding" issue. One would think if it was truly a real serious issue all 4-5 of them would be talking about it. Kinda like all the sites continue to talk about the a77 noise.... it is a real serious issue with that camera in the real world usage of it!

    I updated my DP2m to 1.04 about 1 hour ago but have not tried it yet ...... I will post if I see any color changes. But hey if I don't see banding I might not see that either

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    Ok... Now i got it. DP2m banding only happens for me when there is really hard contrast or areas that are overexposured and darker areas around it... If there is no such hard transition, there is no banding.

    Sorry for talking blabla and deleting it again...
    I bet i can trick the dp3 into banding also. But i havent got one.
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    After looking at the DP3M sample images on the website, I don't really understand how much different color is from the DP2M. I'm not saying "you're wrong," just expressing some skepticism.

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    Colors are very different from the site. Might be a "last minute" tweak, but, as I say, I got the DP2m (Or I have a magical unit).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I agree. IS = BS.
    No, it is not if you use it right, but Jim is right it can degrade, if you do not use it properly.

    I can only speak for Nikons VR, my own experience here, and also Lloyd Chambers long and thorough test.

    You have to work with it to get the real benefit, but then there is a huge benefit.

    Do not use it on tripod, and do not use it, when you normally can handheld it with the shutter speed, only use it wih slower shutter speed, than you normally not can handheld, and then you get really fine benefit from it.

    The issue is - I think - that if you use it on tripod or with a shutter speed you c a n handheld fine, then it corrects for a problem, that is not there, and that shows up,

    ...but if you use it when you can not handheld it properly it corrects the right way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphie View Post
    OMG

    http://www.sigma-dp.com/DP3Merrill/s...o/SDIM1545.jpg

    but does it look real?

    and

    Sample Photo Gallery | SIGMA DP3 Merrill : Special Contents

    A generally beautiful microsite. I might be sold on 'A Longing for Simpler Times'

    SIGMA DP3 Merrill : Special Contents

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    Those are really fine pictures - fine camera in the right hands - very tempting, even this focal length is covered a lot by my other lenses

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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    Here is my initial report of the DP3 Merrill. Enjoy the read (and pardon my French, this is my first review ever ^^). Once I have finished my mountain of work I will share photos with you and we will speak less technical

    Sigma DP3 Review
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    Splendid review, Hulyss.
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    Great review Hulyss and gorgeous studio shots.
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    Some DP3M shots.















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    http://outbackphoto.smugmug.com/DOPF..._FieldTest.jpg

    Will be a major struggle to resist this camera.
    Uwe Steinmueller
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    Re: Sigma DP3M

    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    Here is my initial report of the DP3 Merrill. Enjoy the read (and pardon my French, this is my first review ever ^^). Once I have finished my mountain of work I will share photos with you and we will speak less technical

    Sigma DP3 Review
    Great review.

    One question which applies to both studio and any tripod work. How do you fire the shutter? There is not remote cable as far as I am aware. I really would like a remote shutter release for my landscape work. At present I just set the delay timer to 2 seconds.

    LouisB

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