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Sigma DP3M

Rand47

Active member
To what do you attribute the improved color rendition:

Lens
Firmware
PP Software

Sensor?

Could firmware make the same changes to DP2&3, or is it fundamental hardware difference?

Rand
 

Hulyss Bowman

Active member
So, already now the DP2m is ready for the trashcan? :D
I sold it already (had a good price, sold it 780 € six month after buying it). Sad but true, I was not comfortable with the DP2m, even though I am a DP2 user since the start. Also, I do portrait and, since I got first the SD1, I was not comfortable with skin tones out of the Merrill. It needed either good conditions and/or PS tweaks.

The DP3 Merrill was a bet for me. And my bet was right: this is the camera I wanted since more than a year when I sold my two SD15 and SD1m. I wanted the colour accuracy of the SD15 and now I have it with a class leading lens on a wonderful sensor :)

To what do you attribute the improved color rendition:
Lens
Firmware
PP Software
Sensor?
Rand
I think it is a combination between the lens and the internal program of the machine, maybe some electronic tweak I dunno. The sensor is the same, for sure. SIGMA are specialists of that. They are able to make huge quality step with the same material, the same sensor, just by improving some inside electronics.

I think SIGMA need more time than other company to optimize the "code", the interpretation of the imager. In SIGMA world (trust me), when a sensor come out, wait the latest camera equipped with this very same sensor.
 

Michiel Schierbeek

Well-known member
Well Hulyss, we will see. Besides, it has not the focal lengths, I have much use for at the moment.
I am glad you are happy with it, but for what I do I think I stick to the DP2m.
 

Jim DE

New member
Uwe, My primary scenic camera for the past year has been the NEX7 with the 45mm Contax G lens on it (67.5mm) because of its stellar performance with this lens. Having the 30mm on my DP2m (45mm) perspective has been a welcome change not to mention the improve IQ the Merrill produces ;)

At this point I can see myself going for a DP1m more than the DP3m for what I do.
 

Hulyss Bowman

Active member
Yes exactly. People should use the camera they need, first. It really depend of what kind of photos you do. It is like the rolleiflex line.
 

The Ute

Well-known member
Uwe, My primary scenic camera for the past year has been the NEX7 with the 45mm Contax G lens on it (67.5mm) because of its stellar performance with this lens. Having the 30mm on my DP2m (45mm) perspective has been a welcome change not to mention the improve IQ the Merrill produces ;)

At this point I can see myself going for a DP1m more than the DP3m for what I do.

Jim-

I'm already there.

:D
 

adsf

New member
I think its the good light... The samples on Sigmas page do also have the green shadow thing... When the light is ok, it doesnt happen...
 
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Pete_G

Guest
Hulyss,

Even your first attempts show that the lens looks the equal to the DP2M, something that I wasn't getting from previous "test" shots. I'll stick with the wider lens as I prefer places to faces, and can't get used to the idea of 2 cameras, but the DP3M looks like another winner.
 

Hulyss Bowman

Active member
I think its the good light... The samples on Sigmas page do also have the green shadow thing... When the light is ok, it doesnt happen...
Nope it isn't the good light :)

Hulyss,

Even your first attempts show that the lens looks the equal to the DP2M, something that I wasn't getting from previous "test" shots. I'll stick with the wider lens as I prefer places to faces, and can't get used to the idea of 2 cameras, but the DP3M looks like another winner.
I just finished my test shoots. I need some time to write about it but yes : This is a winner.
 

dbogdan

New member
Showed up on my doorstep today. I'm charging batteries and will have something up before the day is done.:thumbup:

db
 

csrgavh

New member
Here are several from the DP3M. These are nowhere in the same offering as others in this forum (my first photo posting in any forum after many years of viewing the forums) but since the colors are a little more realistic to me than the DP2M or DP!M which I also own, I thought others would like to see. All are out of SPP into LR4. I thought that the camera was set to aperture mode but alas it was in program mode. I usually shoot in aperture priority mode. All taken with tripod support.



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Craig
 

Hulyss Bowman

Active member
Little update after the new DP1m and DP2m firmware. It seems that the colors do not change on the DP1/2, even after the update. Of course we need more feedback. For now here is what B&W RAW mode can bring out of the DP3 merrill (and the others obviously): The high ISO possibilitys :)

ISO 800





ISO 1600




ISO 2000




There is also absolutely NO BANDING on the photos I did since Monday, even at High ISO.
 

OliverM

Member
I think it is a combination between the lens and the internal program of the machine, maybe some electronic tweak I dunno. The sensor is the same, for sure. SIGMA are specialists of that. They are able to make huge quality step with the same material, the same sensor, just by improving some inside electronics.

I think SIGMA need more time than other company to optimize the "code", the interpretation of the imager. In SIGMA world (trust me), when a sensor come out, wait the latest camera equipped with this very same sensor.
Hopefully there will be a firmware update for the DP2m that improves colours in a similar way. I would prefer keeping the DP2m for its versatile focal length.
Thanks for the good news !
 

Jim DE

New member
They look great to me Hulyss...... looks like you have yourself a winner!

I noted on another site I have yet to see the banding that is discussed on THAT ONLY site (in great lengths) on my DP2m or in fact the examples they post. They stated it must be my monitor..... it must be invisible to 2 Mac powerbooks, a Mac desktop, a iPad, and a iPhone then ;)

I went over my prints with a fine tooth comb and had other's look as well (now I have not printed a B&W yet) and no one has seen any banding. I have seen banding on my a77 high iso shots but not on this merrill as yet. Now I also only shoot my DP2m at 100iso too so that may be why we do not see the banding either..... I don't know but what I (or others) can't see won't hurt me ..... Seems strange to me that of the 4-5 sites on the web with DPxmerrill threads actively running only one site is focused on the "banding" issue. One would think if it was truly a real serious issue all 4-5 of them would be talking about it. Kinda like all the sites continue to talk about the a77 noise.... it is a real serious issue with that camera in the real world usage of it!

I updated my DP2m to 1.04 about 1 hour ago but have not tried it yet ...... I will post if I see any color changes. But hey if I don't see banding I might not see that either :)
 
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