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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    I paid diglloyd $50 to do it for me
    probably done a better comparison than I ever could.
    Guess that's up to you.

    I like doing my own homework.

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    I tend to forget about *rendering*. The naked files renders unemotionally. I am not touched by those files. Like the output is merely technical and sort of dead.
    I get a totally different feeling looking at files like not only by the DPMs, but certainly also files produced by the 645Z or the A7S low ISO.

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    I have stared and stared at the Mosaic files. There is no doubt the DPM trumps the DPQ regarding 3D and pop. Amazing.

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    I have downloaded a few of the images here on this site Sigma dp2 Quattro - zdj
    and processed them in Photoshop.
    This is actually not quite serious, but it indicates what kind of DR and latitude the files shows. Imaging I had the RAW file.. it would be a different conclusion found below:

    It is possible to dig out tremendous contrast by using curves in PS. Hue and color adjustments. Dodge and burn. Two or three sharpening passes seems adequate. One unsharpen mask at appr. 25-25% at appr. 100 pix level, one smart sharpening pass at 100%, 0,2 pix.
    It is almost impossible to generate halo effects or make noise visible.
    Dodging high lights in the shadows really develop pretty deep.

    It is very very promising. But again my experiment is a simpletons work. Not really useful.

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    I have downloaded a few of the images here on this site Sigma dp2 Quattro - zdj
    and processed them in Photoshop.
    This is actually not quite serious, but it indicates what kind of DR and latitude the files shows. Imaging I had the RAW file.. it would be a different conclusion found below:

    It is possible to dig out tremendous contrast by using curves in PS. Hue and color adjustments. Dodge and burn. Two or three sharpening passes seems adequate. One unsharpen mask at appr. 25-25% at appr. 100 pix level, one smart sharpening pass at 100%, 0,2 pix.
    It is almost impossible to generate halo effects or make noise visible.
    Dodging high lights in the shadows really develop pretty deep.

    It is very very promising. But again my experiment is a simpletons work. Not really useful.
    One thing is to improve micro contrast and sharpness, done in software, another to get the details, only OOC. Interpolation kills details, on a Bayer or a Q.

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    Yes, but that makes neither useless. PP is not only about contrast and details.
    I can't imagine a photo life without the PP. I need to make local adjustments on all my work. I would guess that would be the case with the DPM files as well.

    I was curious to see what a lousy JPEG file would layer. What impress the most is the lack of noise even you pull or push the file hard.


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    I did all the files from the Polish site. That is those which were not shaken, subject out of focus and ETTR. There is not much left on the site to use for a judgement.
    What I found is covered in my post above, but there's some color adjustment issues that Lightroom and Photoshop does not quite do right. Just about close to right. The JPEGs on the site seems to have been either damaged by the in camera RAW to JPEG developer or the SSP6 conversion.
    Without the original RAW and SPP6 it is not possible to dig deep enough and conclude.

    However I can assure the OOC RAW will contend hilarious deep information and that the files will show enough latitude that it is possible to get the tonality just about perfect.
    The sharpness and detail you will be able to develop from a RAW file will be enough for anybody I would claim. I believe the subjective resolution will be closer to the 645Z with their best SDM lenses rather than closer to cameras like D800E or A7R used with the best glass.
    The Sigma lens is no less than outstanding. I don't think the MTF curves given by Sigma lies.

    All that said... the rendering OOC is somewhat a tad too dull.

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    Re: First real review of the DPQ2

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    Hi! Just joined!

    I've got a Sigma DP2M and really like it. I don't believe from what I've read so far that I'll be replacing it with the Quattro model. Although I do really like the Quattro images I've seen so far because of what appears to be more realistic colors and improved shadows. Sometimes my DP2M produces colors that are not at all like reality.
    This is where the DP3m enter the place

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    I pulled the trigger. Whatever will be will be.
    Delivered on the 1st of August. DP1M, DP2M and DP3M.

    The files will do the print sizes I am looking for.


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    Late autumn, early 2015.

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    Ute - you must explain! Can you post a link?
    EDITED: after a bit of searching the web found this:
    Working EVF for all cams from Sigma DP Series: Sigma Camera Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

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    Tim, I totally agree about the A7. I bought a DP2M and then shortly afterwards I bought a Sony RX1. It was obvious to me from day one that although the DP2M outresolved the RX1 the actually 'look' of the RX1 images was superior. Because of the quality of the RX1 look I then invested in the A7. I actually hope that the next version of the A7 is one with the OLP removed like the RX1R. However, when it comes to printing - the DP2M is the one which can easily go to 30x20 without any fuss.



    Printing is key. I bet the DP2Q will still print extraordinary detail at large sizes.

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    After many tedious hours I was finally able to order that EVF for the Merrill's.

    I hope the effort was worth it.

    I am excited bout the possibility of ditching my Hoodman and slimming down
    my Merrill again.
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    Re: First real review of the DPQ2

    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    Louis-

    After many tedious hours I was finally able to order that EVF for the Merrill's.

    I hope the effort was worth it.

    I am excited bout the possibility of ditching my Hoodman and slimming down
    my Merrill again.
    Keep us posted!! Anxiously waiting with fingers crossed!
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    Re: First real review of the DPQ2

    Ute

    How did you order? Link?

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    Ute

    How did you order? Link?
    Here you go:

    适马 sigma DP1 2S DP1X DP2X DP1M DP2M DP3M 电子取景器 取景器-淘宝网

    I hope you speak Chinese as well as Polish.

    It wasn't easy but I got 'er done (I think).


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    Keep us posted!! Anxiously waiting with fingers crossed!
    Darr-

    Don't be too anxious. It might be a while before I receive it.

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    I just tried that link.

    It did not seem to work.

    If not just go to Xitek.com and search for Sigma viewfinders.

    You'll see it there. 650 Yuan + shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    Here you go:

    适马 sigma DP1 2S DP1X DP2X DP1M DP2M DP3M 电子取景器 取景器-淘宝网

    I hope you speak Chinese as well as Polish.

    It wasn't easy but I got 'er done (I think).

    Speak 6 languages... but unfortunately not Chinese.

    Allpay? Does it work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G43 View Post
    Speak 6 languages... but unfortunately not Chinese.

    Allpay? Does it work?

    I was able to use a credit card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    I just tried that link.

    It did not seem to work.

    If not just go to Xitek.com and search for Sigma viewfinders.

    You'll see it there. 650 Yuan + shipping.
    Please advice. Can't see any viewfinders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G43 View Post
    Please advice. Can't see any viewfinders.
    Sigma Rumors | dp Quattro Cameras, Art Lenses, and More

    See if this helps.

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    Yes I've been this place...

    I'll try...

    Thanks

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    What I see is the resolution 320x240?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foveon View Post
    What I see is the resolution 320x240?
    I think it can be modified to produce more.

    I'm just going to give it a try.

    I'm pretty tired of the Hoodman so as long as it is an improvement over that
    or just the optical VF I'm fine with it.

    Nothing ventured nothing gained.


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    Hi,
    I've been clicking all over those sites trying to figure out how to buy the EVF for my Sigmas. Tried using Google translate etc but it seems like such a long shot to figure out.
    If anyone does come up with a way, please let me know.
    I'd love to have one.
    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlderThenDirt View Post
    Hi,
    I've been clicking all over those sites trying to figure out how to buy the EVF for my Sigmas. Tried using Google translate etc but it seems like such a long shot to figure out.
    If anyone does come up with a way, please let me know.
    I'd love to have one.
    Thanks!
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    That is all I did. I just kept working at it.

    I finally got lucky I guess.

    I'll believe it when I see the unit show up at my door.

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    I read somewhere that this started out as a low-resolution viewfinder just as a test-run, to see if people were actually interested in buying it (I think it's clear that lots of people want this thing).

    They will eventually make an HD version, and hopefully it will be easily accessible to all of us all over the world.

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    Re: First real review of the DPQ2

    For those that think their DP2M is not as useful because of colour accuracy issues, don't forget IMO the DP2M makes one of the best B/W cameras this side of a Leica Monochrom.

    It can do good BW up to about 4000 ISO as Peter points out in this thread - http://www.getdpi.com/forum/other-ca...i-thought.html

    I have ISO800 8x10 prints that in BW looks very clean and noise free.
    The only issue I've had with the conversion method is with SPP v5.3.3 If I knock the Luminance to the far left it often crashes, so I often go one to the left.

    Peter's thread really should be a sticky at the top somewhere.

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    whats interesting is that, when DPQ series was anouced, sigma also slipped in the news of feveon factory being sold to another company. even up until now, there has been no mention of it. so...... interesting time ahead. for now... i will pick up a cheap SD1m with UWA to gow ith my dp2m and dp3m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjp85 View Post
    ...They will eventually make an HD version...
    What they make is one thing, another is what resolution you get from the USB/AV port out of the DP. DP has as screen resolution about 900 000 pixel, divide by 3, so resolution maybe be like 640x480, the same with its video size.
    So I think the USB/AV output will be 640x480.
    I were more interested in a "WLF style" display and working live view.

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    Pictures made ​​with dp2 quattro.
    SIGMA DP2 Quattro ? ??? ?? 2014 ?first on? - ??????

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    Re: First real review of the DPQ2

    And, now...a second review:

    Sigma dp2 Quattro Review
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    My job is to capture them.

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    The files are incredible clean at basic ISO.
    Stunning resolution.

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    The files are incredible clean at basic ISO.
    Stunning resolution.
    So are DP2M files.

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    You have to ask yourself if this camera constitutes a leap forward significant enough to justify paying about twice the price.

    So far I am not seeing it.

    And the ergonomics seem like a step backwards.

    That said, I will be testing out the Q on my own in the near future.

    It is exactly that question I will seek to answer.

    A head to head comparison w the Merrill.

    May the best camera win.


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    I'm interested, Ute, in what part of the camera ergonomics do you think the Q has moved backwards? There are two command wheels (instead of the one on the Merrill), the camera design is 'better' to hold, the menus are improved, battery life is double, and the file saving time has been cut in half. Sigma seems to have addressed the majority of issues that folks were complaining about. The only issue that I could see is that it is a larger camera---it's probably not something that you'll throw in a jacket pocket.

    SPP ergonomics---that's another issue... :-)

    The Quattro is also exactly the same price as a Merrill when they were first released.

    Now---if I was buying one or the other, the Merrills are a screaming good deal now. I think I'd pick up a DP2M or DP3M over the Q version, in all likelihood. I'd probably pick up a DP1Q instead of the DP1M, assuming that there are some substantial improvements in the lenses. But if the Q's dropped to $800-850?

    I'll be interested to see your head-to-head, although I'm always very skeptical of these (done by anyone) where they compare a camera they've been using for a year or two with one they've just received. It takes some time (typically) to learn to get the best out of your camera. In a week you'll be able to figure out what you love and what drives you nuts...

    Have fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    So are DP2M files.
    Which maybe could explain DPQ in camera NR as many believe cause the soft look.

    Did you try to develop the RAW files from the link? There are two or three RAWs for download.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kofronj View Post
    I'm interested, Ute, in what part of the camera ergonomics do you think the Q has moved backwards? There are two command wheels (instead of the one on the Merrill), the camera design is 'better' to hold, the menus are improved, battery life is double, and the file saving time has been cut in half. Sigma seems to have addressed the majority of issues that folks were complaining about. The only issue that I could see is that it is a larger camera---it's probably not something that you'll throw in a jacket pocket.

    SPP ergonomics---that's another issue... :-)

    The Quattro is also exactly the same price as a Merrill when they were first released.

    Now---if I was buying one or the other, the Merrills are a screaming good deal now. I think I'd pick up a DP2M or DP3M over the Q version, in all likelihood. I'd probably pick up a DP1Q instead of the DP1M, assuming that there are some substantial improvements in the lenses. But if the Q's dropped to $800-850?

    I'll be interested to see your head-to-head, although I'm always very skeptical of these (done by anyone) where they compare a camera they've been using for a year or two with one they've just received. It takes some time (typically) to learn to get the best out of your camera. In a week you'll be able to figure out what you love and what drives you nuts...

    Have fun!

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    Thanks Jim.

    I surely will.

    I have heard that the new Q is very akward to hold.

    And of course it is quite a bit larger.

    I never had any complaints w the wheel setup on the M, or with the battery.

    I always carried many spare ones. They are light and cheap.

    I am interested mainly in the image quality.

    W what I shoot the truth should come out fairly quickly.

    Both camera will be set to get their max performance.

    I'll let the results do the talking.

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    G43-

    I will be shooting and processing my own.

    I really do not care about anyone else's link if I can test for myself.

    I have taken many, many images w the Merrill's over the years and I am still stunned by their quality.

    Going to be a hard task for the Q to top that, or perhaps even match the look.

    But I will give the Q a fair hearing nevertheless.

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    The Q's are new creatures in town. No chance they will show the M-look.

    From what I saw already I have preferences towards the M's. Taste maybe? But the Merrills builds that detail tag into your photos that seems not possible with any other sensors... sofar.

    Since I started looking for a camera'n'files that would be able to print large... the M's have been a favorite for quite some time. Not perhaps its color tonal range, but rather for its pop. That catches attention by it's own self and added a good portion of the photographers ability to see, frame and compose results in stunning images.
    The B&W's images out of the M's still unmatched IMO.

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    Lloyd Chambers has finished his test of the DP2Q much faster than I would have expected. A pretty early conclusion I might say. It is also clearly why? (IMO)

    Definitive Shootout: Sigma dp2 Quattro vs Sigma DP2 Merrill (Decorated Bike)

    Except for the higher technical performance delivered by the DP2Q camera 'body' if one may say so, the DP2M trumps the DP2Q down. Very much down. That shows in actually almost all aspects but a few non important color issues. The conclusion is the new DP2Q is unable to show much texture in the files, show details and objectively perceived sharpness. It is not even a fact compared to the DP2M, but a fact in general.

    Except you wish a technical better performing DP camera, a little less noise at basic ISO and you insists it should come from Sigma, the sensor being named Foveon, I would be able to mention a long list of far better cameras being way more convenient and showing as good or better IQ than the DP2Q.

    I almost intuitively, but helped by Lloyds exploitation of good and bad in the Quattro, chose my Foveon cameras to be the Merrills. I am happy to learn I made the right choice.

    The DPQ story ends here for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G43 View Post
    ...I am happy to learn I made the right choice...
    You will see soon, if you are an "etepetete" kind of photographer you will run crazy with camera and software, if you have some balcanic coolness- like me -you will love the pics and dont care about the weakness of the "system".
    I shoot 6x6, 6x7, 6x8, 13x18 and 30x40, compared to these a DP2m is a very sophisticated engine.^^
    And finally I dont understand that Sigma is able to produce great lenses but unable to build camera bodies in at least standard quality.

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    I would certainly say they've lost their ability to make a true Foveon sensor.

    Living on the Balkans as I do, should then assure me I'll not go nuts using the M's and PP

    Wouu, you have quite some formats at hand there...!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by G43 View Post
    ..Living on the Balkans as I do..
    I am from Balkan Northwest

    Quote Originally Posted by G43 View Post
    ..Wouu, you have quite some formats at hand there...!!!
    Not that much cameras, 6x7 and 6x8 is both Mamiya RB67, with standard or motorback

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    Quote Originally Posted by foveon View Post
    I am from Balkan Northwest
    That'll be Srpska Republika? HR and SLO do not see themselves as part of the Balkans
    I'm in middle North east Serbia.


    Quote Originally Posted by foveon View Post
    Not that much cameras, 6x7 and 6x8 is both Mamiya RB67, with standard or motorback
    Had Mamiya 7II and 2 x 645 Pentax NII and Contax. But those nice cameras are long gone. I have however still my Kaiser Multigrade enlarger w. Rodenstock 80mm APO laying around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G43 View Post
    ..HR and SLO do not see themselves as part of the Balkans .....
    I cannot agree, my location is about 10km from SLO and 80 from Varazdin, and here clearly is Balkan.

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    I hate those digilloyd links... I bet most people cant view the content. and i wont subscribe to the whole page just for one test...
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    Geographical yes, it's The Balkans

    I am a Dane living in Vrsac, Vojvodina. Been your place as well as all over HR. Did business with the Balkans and many other regions in Eastern/Southern Europe moreover 25 years.
    Really off topic: Motor biking in SLO, BIH and HR is amazing. Can't count the images I took over so many years in this region.

    Bog

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    I live in Jennersdorf, Austria very near the corner SLO, HU, A and as said above, here is balkan. All southeast of the Alps is Balkan.
    If you drive BMW bikes maybe you will not be very happy with Sigma
    A shot from BIH with the original DP2

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    Really funny.. Been passing by your place in 2011 while cruising one of my bikes, Honda Goldwing, around southern part of Austria into the Dolomites in Italy. Love to cruise the small land roads. Amazing nature in that part of Europe. Billions of possibilities to catch good light.
    From where in BIH is you wonderful picture?
    Maybe we should Foveon BIH together one day

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