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    My Merrills arrived today. Unfortunately in Denmark...as planned. Will not be able to pick them up until September where I'll go and have a 2-3 photo days in Copenhagen and Aarhus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G43 View Post
    My Merrills arrived today. Unfortunately in Denmark...as planned. Will not be able to pick them up until September where I'll go and have a 2-3 photo days in Copenhagen and Aarhus.
    Au weia, ( lokal dialect for: sorry to hear that )

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    Au weia, ( lokal dialect for: sorry to hear that )
    Here people just say *ouuuu*

    It's OK waiting a bit for the DPMs. Always nice to have something looking forward to.

    On Monday the replacement of my Fuji 12MP Bayer camera arrives (here though!).
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

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    ...Sony A7...
    very nice body,
    it would be perfect with a FF Merrillchip inside

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Trying out Lee Filters on the Quattro today. The follwoing shot used a .9 ND grad. amd some X3 Fill



    Which I then tried printing on an Epson 7900 at 24" x 36", 300ppiafter resizing 200%, 300ppi, using Photozoom Pro



    The result shows excellent fine detail (print snapshot taken with a Sony RX100 II) comparable to MF digital..
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Quentin, I got a DP2 Quattro on the "try before you buy" offer and discovered that it had some issues with my ND filters. I use the Schneider Platinum IRND filters. On occasion, I got some red cast in the center of the frame. When I tried to use two stacked filters the whole frame went red in a radial manner from the center.

    I enjoyed the camera and came away with some images that have potential. I am impressed with the detail. However, I am having a very difficult time processing images from ProPhoto that look right. I can't even seem to a basic conversion to TIFF for further processing in LightRoom (my normal tool) that look right. It is really frustrating.

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    There's a new version of SPP and firmware coming very soon.

    It's supposed to help the image quality.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Thanks for the info. Fingers crossed.

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    SONY A7S

    Quote Originally Posted by foveon View Post
    very nice body,
    it would be perfect with a FF Merrillchip inside
    That would be some Hell of a sensor producing BIG files.Wonder if I would have the shooting discipline to possess such a mini monster

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    I hope Sigma move to full frame with either chip. The Quattro chip could herald a move in that direction given the reduced data. FF is ultimately the way to go.

    Mark, not seen an issue with my Lee 75 ND filters on the Quattro as yet, but will keep an eye out for any.
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    FF Foveon.. New SPP required.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Quote Originally Posted by G43 View Post
    FF Foveon.. New SPP required.
    Something to look forward to
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    >FF Foveon.. New SPP required.

    Means you can have a vacation on save :-)
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    SPP super High Speed edition

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Exposure Fusion of 3 images taken today with the DP2Q



    And a two-shot "pano" (top to bottom)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Exposure Fusion of 3 images taken today with the DP2Q



    And a two-shot "pano" (top to bottom)

    They both look good. particularly the 1st.

    I see you are continuing to experiment.

    Do you still find the Super-high w minimal noise reduction to give you your best results ?

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    Better.. much better.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    They both look good. particularly the 1st.

    I see you are continuing to experiment.

    Do you still find the Super-high w minimal noise reduction to give you your best results ?
    Indeed I am.

    The first probably looks the most "Merrill".

    Perhaps the new upcoming SPP and firmware will move the process further forward.

    Super high is good, very good. I think using Photozoom Pro might just edge it.

    The Merrill look is in there...waiting to break free....
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    Great shots Quentin. Be sure to report back when the new firmware and SPP is released.

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    I caved and picked up the DP2Q today. No big surprises after reading and viewing great DP2Q images by Quentin and Uwe in this forum. Now I have two approx. 40 MP little wonders for travel (other is the Nokia 808 41 MP PureView cell camera). Here is one of my first shots taken with the DP2Q. Firmware 1.01 (updated as soon as I got the camera) and processed raw as S-High tiff in SPP 6.05. Tiff was then run through Topaz Adjust 5, "mild details" filter to enhance micro contrast.



    Download original full size S-High image here
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    I caved and picked up the DP2Q today. No big surprises after reading and viewing great DP2Q images by Quentin and Uwe in this forum. Now I have two approx. 40 MP little wonders for travel (other is the Nokia 808 41 MP PureView cell camera). Here is one of my first shots taken with the DP2Q. Firmware 1.01 (updated as soon as I got the camera) and processed raw as S-High tiff in SPP 6.05. Tiff was then run through Topaz Adjust 5, "mild details" filter to enhance micro contrast.



    Download original full size S-High image here
    Great shot. I use Topaz also. It is good to see someone else who does.

    I kind of thought Adjust would work well w the Quattro.
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    Great shot. I use Topaz also. It is good to see someone else who does.

    I kind of thought Adjust would work well w the Quattro.
    Thanks Ute. I like Topaz Adjust and I think it does help bringing out detail in the Q images.
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    One more from the garden. Same treatment as above, tripod mounted shot.



    S-High Original here
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Thanks Ute. I like Topaz Adjust and I think it does help bringing out detail in the Q images.
    Welcome.

    I'm not surprised.

    I've used it for years.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Carl,

    Very nice. I hope you are not disappointed with the DP2Q, or you may blame me! Like the Merrill, its one quirky camera that rewards time and effort.


    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    I caved and picked up the DP2Q today. No big surprises after reading and viewing great DP2Q images by Quentin and Uwe in this forum. Now I have two approx. 40 MP little wonders for travel (other is the Nokia 808 41 MP PureView cell camera). Here is one of my first shots taken with the DP2Q. Firmware 1.01 (updated as soon as I got the camera) and processed raw as S-High tiff in SPP 6.05. Tiff was then run through Topaz Adjust 5, "mild details" filter to enhance micro contrast.



    Download original full size S-High image here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Carl,

    Very nice. I hope you are not disappointed with the DP2Q, or you may blame me! Like the Merrill, its one quirky camera that rewards time and effort.
    Thank you Quentin and no, I wouldn't blame you at all. Your pioneering efforts with this camera and the M inspired me to try both. I'm still in the learning phase with the Q, but so far the results have been mostly quite pleasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Thank you Quentin and no, I wouldn't blame you at all. Your pioneering efforts with this camera and the M inspired me to try both. I'm still in the learning phase with the Q, but so far the results have been mostly quite pleasing.
    You need to show us some photos of Letchworth State Park w your new toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ute View Post
    You need to show us some photos of Letchworth State Park w your new toy.
    I haven't visited Letchworth for years, but may go there this fall. It is about a 4 hour drive from Ithaca. The gorge is spectacular with the fall foliage. Going to visit friends in Greece in a couple of weeks and will give the Q a good workout there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    I haven't visited Letchworth for years, but may go there this fall. It is about a 4 hour drive from Ithaca. The gorge is spectacular with the fall foliage. Going to visit friends in Greece in a couple of weeks and will give the Q a good workout there.
    That should work out quite well.

    I know you do a lot of Pano work.

    Can you tell what you use hardware and software wise, and the approximate cost ?

    Thanks in advance.

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    That should work out quite well.

    I know you do a lot of Pano work.

    Can you tell what you use hardware and software wise, and the approximate cost ?

    Thanks in advance.
    I've been using a Rhinocam stitching plate with A7R and A6000, but will be getting a Cambo Actus for the A7R. I use a MBA with 4gb ram and AutoPanoPro 3.x for stitching. Works well. I haven't tried panos yet with the Q.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    I've been using a Rhinocam stitching plate with A7R and A6000, but will be getting a Cambo Actus for the A7R. I use a MBA with 4gb ram and AutoPanoPro 3.x for stitching. Works well. I haven't tried panos yet with the Q.
    Didn't you use a "Gigapan" ?

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Stones, using the latest firmware and SPP 6.05. All very sharp.

    Biggest issue remains low level purple/cyan blotching in grey areas with the DP2Q. Not visible here, by try a slightly underexposed shot of grey tarmac and zoom in, you'll probably see it.

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    Quentin- I think it would be cool if you try a shot like the rocks or other shots with reds or yellows in low res RAW mode and regular mode. I know you said you won't do more testing :-) but i suspect the low res mode will make the colors pop even more true Foveon style.

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    Didn't you use a "Gigapan" ?
    Yes, I still have the Epic Pro 100 and will try it with the Q (used previously with the DP3M).
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Dear All

    Fancy printing 40" x 26.7" from a DP2Q file? How will it compare with a high end MF camera?

    I experimented resizing the "Stones" image (see above) using Phoitozoom Pro to that size using its S-Spline Max algorithm, applied some post sharpening, then tried printing a slice from the final image on Premium Semimatte paper on an Espon 7900 printer.

    A 10" wide slice from the original Jpeg is linked below if you want to try this yourself. I cropped this slice to print to avoid wasting too much roll paper and because the original file would be too large sensibly to download.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/.../BigStones.jpg

    I have compared the digital file with a similar one taken a few months ago with my Hasselblad H5D also resized to the same size. The main difference is the lack of colour aliasing and false colour artifacts with the DP2Q; the subjective resolution difference at this size is minimal.

    I'm not saying the DP2Q is better than the 'blad, its just my subjective impression of the upscaled DP2Q file is favourable. There is a visible payoff with the Foveon technology, even in its revised DP2Q form.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Wet Car

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    Wet Car

    May I take it for a spin ?


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    May I take it for a spin ?

    No.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    I think I see slightly better highlight recovery with the new SPP 6.05. I see no problems with sharpness and the texture is fairly "crunchy" (full size crop insert).

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    Perhaps one day Quentin, the Sigma guys nails how to process the best out of this sensor.
    I take it as a positive sign Sigma works on the SPP. As far as I know it took them a while to optimize the SPP5 to what it is today.

    PS! Still no experimenting with M files with the new SPP?

    Keep up the good work.

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    Hey G43, I've used the new SPP with my Merrill files. I compared side by side to 5.5.3, and they're basically identical, but if you look closely, 6.05 has an extra punch and is slightly sharper from what I can see. 6.05 is also much faster than 5.5.3.

    You won't miss out on anything if you use 5.5.3, but I recommend 6.05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjp85 View Post
    ........ 6.05 has an extra punch and is slightly sharper from what I can see. 6.05 is also much faster than 5.5.3.
    Faster is certainly a most welcomed upgrade

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    Dear All

    Fancy printing 40" x 26.7" from a DP2Q file? How will it compare with a high end MF camera?

    I experimented resizing the "Stones" image (see above) using Phoitozoom Pro to that size using its S-Spline Max algorithm, applied some post sharpening, then tried printing a slice from the final image on Premium Semimatte paper on an Espon 7900 printer.

    A 10" wide slice from the original Jpeg is linked below if you want to try this yourself. I cropped this slice to print to avoid wasting too much roll paper and because the original file would be too large sensibly to download.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/.../BigStones.jpg

    I have compared the digital file with a similar one taken a few months ago with my Hasselblad H5D also resized to the same size. The main difference is the lack of colour aliasing and false colour artifacts with the DP2Q; the subjective resolution difference at this size is minimal.

    I'm not saying the DP2Q is better than the 'blad, its just my subjective impression of the upscaled DP2Q file is favourable. There is a visible payoff with the Foveon technology, even in its revised DP2Q form.
    Amazing detail. And the garden shot above - showing the print. Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Two more detail shots at the old boathouse taken with the DP2Q, handheld, SPP 6.05, Topaz Adjust 5, PZP 5.

    Stairs


    Original

    Rear entrance door


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    My DP2 Quattro arrived yesterday, and I did several side by side tests with the DP2M. My conclusion is that the Q is worth the upgrade. The Q resolves more detail, the color is more accurate, and there are less crunches in the micro detail, which I found bothersome in the Merrill for anything except screen viewing. The bokeh looks different, at least on my few close up shots @ f/5.6, and I prefer the Quattro bokeh. It's a bit quicker, not by much, the LCD is better for manual focusing, battery lasts longer, handling is ok, mine usually sits on a tripod so not much of an issue. It's the highest resolving camera I have used, leaves my canon in the dust, but then I have never shot medium format digital.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Two more handheld lakeshore snaps with the Q (it does need a tripod).



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    Beautiful pictures, and beautiful color rendering, and textures (especially then the first).

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    I think that your recent shots, Carl, are good further evidence that the Quattro shows more than a hint of Merrill DNA, but not too much. And I agree with Shaun's observations generally. I am excited by the potential of a DP1Q when released.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Quote Originally Posted by octagone View Post
    Beautiful pictures, and beautiful color rendering, and textures (especially then the first).
    Thank you Octagone. The Q does really well with this kind of detailed subject matter.
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    I think that your recent shots, Carl, are good further evidence that the Quattro shows more than a hint of Merrill DNA, but not too much. And I agree with Shaun's observations generally. I am excited by the potential of a DP1Q when released.
    I agree Quentin and I hope that the lens for the DP1Q is a good one.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Quattro Shots

    Just a "context" shot to reference the location of the driftwood in the image posted above.



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