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    Samsung NX1

    It appears to have the most advanced sensor in the market. The first Back Side Illuminated (BSI) sensor in a large (APS-C) sensor package.

    This is the most informative piece I found: Photokina Q&A: Can the Samsung NX1 redefine pro performance with a quantum leap in technology?

    If Sony reacts to this and makes a FF sensor with BSI technology (also referred to as "stacked" sensor in Sony lingo- nothing to do with Foveon type sensors, it is still a Bayer configuration), there is bound to be a huge jump. The current Sony A7 with a BSI sensor would make me very happy.
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    Wow, I'm really impressed by how many details Samsung is willing to share in this interview.

    It's a rare thing to get such a level of information, I wish the other companies in the industry would be as open about the technology as Samsung is here.

    Thank you for the heads-up, Vivek, really interesting read

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Steen View Post
    Wow, I'm really impressed by how many details Samsung is willing to share in this interview.

    It's a rare thing to get such a level of information, I wish the other companies in the industry would be as open about the technology as Samsung is here.
    Well said, Steen!

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    Is this camera advanced enough to be a financial success?? Samsung has been not really been competitive up till now!!!

    Interested.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Mmm, will it take third-party lenses ? Any adapters around ?

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Answering my own question (I'm getting good at this): yep, plenty adapters around, even Novoflex.
    Very promising, sooo ... who's jumping first ?

    All the best.
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    Re: Samsung NX1

    I would love to jump first on this one, but it would mean leaving m4/3. Can I live without the Zuiko 75mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I would love to jump first on this one, but it would mean leaving m4/3. Can I live without the Zuiko 75mm?

    You did OK before that lens, so I think you will survive.
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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Answering my own question (I'm getting good at this): yep, plenty adapters around, even Novoflex.
    Very promising, sooo ... who's jumping first ?

    All the best.
    There was (not sure that is still available) a replacement mount for it. Change the NX mount to Leica M (their registries are very close).

    Even before its release, the NX1 prices are rumored to drop soon because of presumed low preorders!

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I would love to jump first on this one, but it would mean leaving m4/3. Can I live without the Zuiko 75mm?
    If you depend upon your gear to make a living, don't jump anywhere until there's a product to test with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    If you depend upon your gear to make a living, don't jump anywhere until there's a product to test with.

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    I've actually considered contacting Samsung to check if they have loaners available. It would be very interesting to try it out at some motor racing event.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Hope you succeed in getting a test sample along with their fast lenses!

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Vivek:

    Any idea when the price will drop?? I am interested in this camera but if the price drops, I can wait.

    Martin

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin S View Post
    Vivek:

    Any idea when the price will drop?? I am interested in this camera but if the price drops, I can wait.

    Martin
    I think this guy knows. I forgot to write down his phone number though:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin S View Post
    Vivek:

    Any idea when the price will drop?? I am interested in this camera but if the price drops, I can wait.

    Martin
    Martin,

    According to Samsung to drop NX1 prices in January (preorders lower than expected). | Mirrorless Rumors January 2015.

    Ignore the comic above.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    This review by Andrew Reid is mostly centred around video capabilities, but is useful nonetheless:

    Samsung NX1 Review - The glory of technology - EOSHD

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    Jorgen:


    Maybe he really knows the answer.

    He certainly looks like he should.

    Martin

    P.S. Does he have a phone??

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin S View Post
    Jorgen:


    Maybe he really knows the answer.

    He certainly looks like he should.

    Martin

    P.S. Does he have a phone??
    Of course:



    Although I doubt he really needs one. He seems to be communicating by telepathy
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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Michael Reichmann has had a look at the NX1. Mr. Reichmann mostly like any competent camera he gets his hands on, but this is a very positive initial report:

    Samsung NX1 First Impressions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Michael Reichmann has had a look at the NX1. Mr. Reichmann mostly like any competent he gets his hands on, but this is a very positive initial report:

    Samsung NX1 First Impressions
    Interesting camera. Reichmann needs an editor badly, however.
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    Re: Samsung NX1

    This is becoming increasingly tempting:

    Samsung NX1 with Sigma 35mm F1.4 - EOSHD

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    The good news are that there will apparently be more lenses for the NX Series next year:

    At least 4 new Samsung lenses to come in 2015... | Mirrorless Rumors

    The bad news is that, according to my camera pusher, Samsung have decided to only sell through this country's biggest chain of camera retailers, Big Camera. The most prominent feature of Big Camera, apart from their vast number of stores, is their employees' lack of competence. On a good day, most of them will be able to inform about the number of megapixels of most cameras in the store, if that number doesn't exceed the size of numbers known to that particular employee.

    Even if I was interested in buying photographic gear from outlets like that, I will never buy a camera from a corporation that excludes camera shops with qualified personnel and long traditions in the camera business from selling their gear. That indicates strongly that they aren't really interested in me as a customer or what I can do with their gear, only in how much money they can gain from working exclusively with the largest retailer chain. While that may make sense from the view of Samsung's shareholders, it does not make sense to me as a photographer.

    Am I a silly old fart?

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    If that retailer has a 30 day return policy, buy it and check it. I have heard more interesting things about the local Sony (official) repair outfit.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    If that retailer has a 30 day return policy, buy it and check it. I have heard more interesting things about the local Sony (official) repair outfit.
    Return policy? In Thailand? Best case would be if they let me trying it in the shop without paying for it first. Each employee is probably personally responsible for any dust, fingerprints and other damage to the camera and will get a corresponding deduction from his or her salary. There are shops that shrink wrap the cameras to avoid this.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    I guess everyone on this thread should watch this.....

    Real-world test: Going pro with the Samsung NX1: Digital Photography Review
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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Ignore my ignorance, is the mount of the NX1 standard NX?

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Quote Originally Posted by foveon View Post
    is the mount of the NX1 standard NX?
    Yes.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Return policy? In Thailand? Best case would be if they let me trying it in the shop without paying for it first. Each employee is probably personally responsible for any dust, fingerprints and other damage to the camera and will get a corresponding deduction from his or her salary. There are shops that shrink wrap the cameras to avoid this.
    Hope it will change (someday), Jorgen.

    It was like that here not so long ago. Amaxon loosened up everything quite a bit.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I guess everyone on this thread should watch this.....

    Real-world test: Going pro with the Samsung NX1: Digital Photography Review
    Thank you for posting this. It's becoming pretty clear that, when it comes to bang for bucks, this camera is way ahead of anything else out there. It does 28MP and 15fps and 4K video and has a hybrid AF that works very well, all in a solid package with lenses, although very few this far, that are of very high quality and all for a very reasonable price. It looks like a perfect camera for my use.

    The question is: Is Samsung up to it? What I hear locally is that the sales and marketing departments here are more interested in pushing large quantities of smart phones and p&s cameras. That is where they get their bonuses. What happens if it breaks? Will they service it? In one day, one week or one year?

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    They developed their own chip with real new technology so I think Samsung will stay in the game for some time.
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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Quote Originally Posted by foveon View Post
    They developed their own chip with real new technology so I think Samsung will stay in the game for some time.
    I also think they will stay in the game for a while, maybe for a very long while. The question is if they will stay in all markets with all products. Samsung had a revenue in 2013 of USD 327 Billion and a net income of USD 30.1 Billion. They can do pretty much what they want. Sony and the other camera manufacturers are mere dwarfs compared to Samsung.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    TCS have their review out (the poor attempt of dprevs at trying to emulate these guys is also quite evident when you compare their video. ).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1flm65f2Gy8

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    To revive this thread a bit ...

    My NX1 is due to arrive shortly. I'll be checking it out for some indoor ice hockey within a few days. I am interested to see how it does relative to my Nikon D4.

    I have to say the stream of firmware updates that Samsung has provided thus far is very encouraging and was a significant factor in my purchase.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    So far the NX1 is very impressive.

    However, it does not feel like the small camera that my A7 does.

    But, it has far superior focusing and just feels a lot more responsive.

    My early impression is that it beats out my D800 overall on those counts as well.

    My D4 is another matter.

    The NX1 crushes it for video. And I got some very nice frame grabs from 4K footage at the ice hockey practice.

    I'll need more time to evaluate the focusing. I was using original firmware yesterday and it has been updated since.

    A further large update is supposed to be at hand.

    Best,

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Comparing some features NX1, GH4, A7s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZuxo2ZFz_g

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    For shooting ice hockey-

    I find the NX1 to be far better than the Panasonic GH3, the Olympus EM5, the Leica M9, the Sony A7 and the Nikon D800.

    It is nearly the equal to my D4. It takes more thinking to use because the focusing is a bit idiosyncratic, but I am getting the hang of it.

    I have not tried the tracking AF yet as I understand it is a work in progress.

    By putting my chosen focus point over my target and keeping it there I have been able to do very well. I have not found this to be difficult.

    I do lose focus when too many other players come between me and my target though. The Nikon is better at this.

    I'll keep practicing.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    My NX1 continues to do very well for indoor hockey. It is still not D4 level but it does exceed my comparatively creaky D800 by a large margin.

    The NX1 has also done a fine job at an indoor swimming pool and an indoor/outdoor children's party.

    During a sword fighting demonstration I shot 4K video. Then I took several frame grabs and quickly beamed them to my iPhone. I made a couple of quick edits in the phone before easily sharing them with everyone.

    The NX1, coupled with the S lenses, is one slick package.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Sounds like a great camera in reality and maybe even a revolution in AF capability for mirrorless cameras although I can't think of an application where I'd need 15FPS burst. I just wonder if Samsung priced this out of range for most people looking to get into this system at $2800 with S model kit lens. It's more than most entry level pro FF bodies like the 5Dmk3, 6D, D750, D610, or Sony FE cameras. It's priced significantly more than the pro APS-C bodies like the D7100/7200, A77II, or 7Dmk2 while have a more limited lens collection.

    I don't know if adapting lenses to the body is an option though as I haven't looked heavily into the system myself.
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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Tre, the A7s is no slouch when it comes to fps either. In speed prioty shooting mode, the A7s and the A6000 can record quite a bit and can be pressed for action shots (i have posted a couple of examples).

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Yeah I like the A7S when I tried it last Spring when it was first released and if they ever make a version with more megapixels (16-24mp) then I'd buy it as my "everyday" system camera to pair with the high resolution camera. To be honest 12 megapixels just isn't enough for me and that's the huge limiting factor that makes it a no go for anything that isn't the work that will only go on the web or the lowlight event type work I do on the side.

    To be honest though I don't really pay attention to the FPS the 4 or 5 fps of the A7R and A7 are fine by me. I usually AF to get close and MF to fine tune it. Four years of being nearly exclusive with a Leica made me a pretty fast with manual focusing.
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    Re: Samsung NX1

    The NX1 is a pretty penny but I don't think it is more than the Canon 7D mk ii with a good lens. The Sony A7s alone is well over $2,000 I believe.

    I certainly don't have any other camera that can do as much for me so it has been well worth the expense.

    Personally, I hope Samsung comes out with some more high grade lenses and accessories as the system matures.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Last weekend I shot ice hockey and indoor gymnastics with the NX1.

    Mostly stills for hockey and mostly 4K video for gymnastics.

    As with hockey, I pulled nice frame grabs off the video. It made getting the moment of maximum extension or altitude quite simple.

    As before, it was also easy to pop the images over to my iPhone, edit them and share them.

    High quality stills. High quality video.

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    Hi; forum newbee here...

    ...but I've been shooting digital since early 2000. Have been, generally, a Canonite, but have owned LOTS of other gear--SIX camera systems--the last 1-1/2 years. Bought an NX1/16-50S/BG package last fall, liked (but didn't love) it, and sort-of-defaulted to a Canon 5D3 system...until I retried the NX1 a month or so ago and fell in love with it. The 16-50 and 50-150 S lenses are excellent, while the Samyang 12mm/2 was plenty good enough (with its barrel distortion fixed in ACR) for a WA.

    Lately I tried the Canon 24mm TS-E-II (with dumb adapter) and love that so much I bought a 17mm TS-E and Fotodiox SuperPana filter system...
    http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...php?p=17540362
    ...for it. I'm still evaluating it--that really means playing with it--but that combo sure looks good so far.



    Things I like much about the NX1 are its excellent--for my hands--ergonomics, very good menu system, dedicated buttons for two of the three things I change often*, and high rez. I'm a happy owner.



    * ISO and MF/AF buttons, but no IOS on/off button for Samsung lenses without a OIS switch.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Samsung continues to provide significant FW updates, similar to Fuji.

    The latest for the NX1 has significantly buffed up the low light focusing which I considered a weak area.

    I have not fully tested it but I already see very good improvement. Enough so that the NX1 will be my main travel camera this summer.

    In the old digital days I carried an Olympus E-1.

    I replaced that with a Nikon D700.

    Then I travelled with a digital Leica, most recently the M9.

    When the Olympus EM-5 came out I felt it was more robust, reliable and versatile than the Leica so it became my travel kit.

    The fabulous Sony A7 replaced all my micro4/3's gear even though it has a few shortcomings.

    Now the Samsung NX1 has pushed aside the A7.

    Far better AF, incredible 4K video with 8MP frame grabs, butter smooth 120fps HD video, terrific stills that have gorgeous color and are nearly grain free at low ISO, weather sealing, very good connectivity, this camera can do so much.

    For example, just put it on Face Detection and use a wide lens then by holding the camera out in front of me a bit I get wonderful, spontaneous shots of kids and their friends or parents while we are walking, sitting, playing or whatever. At 15fps I usually get at least one shot where the micro expressions are completely charming. I don't have to use the viewfinder or back screen at all.

    Or, if they are kicking around a ball, just a few seconds of 4K video will generally provide at least one or two really nice frame grabs that show some peak action. The NX1 has pretty fast and accurate AF during video.

    Of course, I also use the single shot mode where I carefully frame and focus for each capture. Even there, the ability to move the focus point anywhere in the screen is a welcome feature.

    Highly underrated, the NX1 is, IMO, the best all-around interchangeable lens camera available at any price.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    It's an interesting piece of kit for sure, although not for me at the moment. Thank you for posting this, Bill.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    From a stills shooter stand point, based on IQ at low and high iso (12800+), I see no reason to choose NX1 over 6D, if I had to start afresh.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Malina DZ View Post
    From a stills shooter stand point, based on IQ at low and high iso (12800+), I see no reason to choose NX1 over 6D, if I had to start afresh.
    The same goes for me when comparing to the D810 (there's a reason why I have that camera), but if I were shooting more video than I do at the moment, the equation would look dramatically different.

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    At low ISO I'll put the NX1 IQ up against any FF camera. The difference mostly comes down to taste.

    The high fps, ability to easily use the rear screen, great face detection and being able to put the focus point anywhere are also all big pluses for my still shooting.

    Additionally, I often use the video to get stills, as opposed to shooting video as an end product.

    Overall, I would choose my NX1 for stills the vast majority of the time over my D800, D4 or Sony A7.

    Lens selection and inferior very high ISO performance are the biggest bugaboos.

    So many great choices and not enough time to really try them all.

    Best,

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    Recent firmware upgrades to the NX1 and the high end 'S' lenses have moved the AF performance of the Samsung into another category altogether.

    Any reviews of the NX1 that predate the latest firmware are essentially talking about a completely different camera, especially concerning AF and low light AF.

    That is one of the unfortunate things about the usual internet reviews. Cameras like the NX1 are judged on day one then little to no effort is made to make the reviews meaningfully accurate as time goes by.

    Even worse, the review sites leave the old, incorrect information available forever without even bothering to note that the camera has been upgraded.

    -Bill

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    Re: Samsung NX1

    I have been using the NX1 and the two 'S' lenses, the 16-50 and the 50-150 extensively on my vacation in Maui.

    On the plus side, the IQ is excellent. Great color, fine DR, very good files that are robust, fast AF and amazing video.

    No doubt the best travel camera I have ever used. Not only are the stills really, really good but the video is just jaw dropping. The 4K is, as expected, top shelf but the 120fps HD is also butter smooth and just lovely.

    Both lenses are well worth their asking price.

    On the down side, I have had a couple of lockups, at least one of which required a quick battery removal and replacement. Lockups are never welcome and lend a slight unpredictability to an otherwise solid performer.

    The other issue I have is with the very fast AF. When shooting landscapes I will find a set of 3 images will often have at least one which is ever so slightly less sharp than the others. I don't know if this is an OIS issue or a focus accuracy problem. It has made me more likely to always shoot a duplicate of any important image. Since I tend to do this anyway, it is not a major inconvenience.

    I have also found the jPEGs to be very, very good. With my old Leica's I never shot any JPEG's because they were abysmal. With my old Olymus EM-5, I often shot JPEG's as they were very good. With my Nikon's I generally shoot RAW only as the JPEG's are mediocre. With the NX1, I find the JPEG's to be as good as any I have ever seen so I only shoot RAW when I plan extreme manipulation in Photoshop.

    Overall, the Samsung NX1 is one of those really rewarding cameras that can fulfill almost any role.

    But, the fly in the ointment is the limited selection of high end glass.

    When my Sony A7R ii arrives I will be doing some comparison shooting to see if it can supplant the Samsung. With the ever growing lens choices for Sony it is a tempting option. At only 5 fps it may not be fast enough for sports though.

    Best,

    Bill

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