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    I'm now beginning to think of the camera as an artistic instrument. Focus in processing is on the young woman at the cash register.
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    Re: Fun with Light L16

    A brief walk through the empty, cold, and damp market on Cayuga Inlet. L16 click for larger (50% of original size).





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    Happy May Day! First day of summer for us after a long winter and faux spring. Beautiful, WARM, 80 degrees F. Walked up to Enfield Falls at the bottom of the gorge where it was about 10 degrees cooler (natural gorge air conditioning). Stitched from 3 frames in LR Photomerge, original was 120 MP file. Click for larger 50% image file.

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    Re: Fun with Light L16

    Fresh Radishes

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    Re: Fun with Light L16

    A few shots taken with the L16 around the Farmers Market. No market today, but someone rented the venue to host a catered birthday party (very popular with younger teenagers as they have lots of room to blow off steam skateboarding).



    The market storage shed.



    Steamboat Landing in back of the market.



    Sunflower Bench



    My wife's garden club manages the flower beds on the birms. This was originally a Cornell men's garden club, but it was infiltrated by women in recent years.





    The market pond



    Lime Bikes next to the waterfront trail at the Farmers Market. There are hundreds of these rental GPS enabled bikes all over town. Just download the Limebike app to your phone to find one, sign up to use them, grab a bike and go anywhere you want and leave it near a road when through.

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    What the camera is doing is to build a three dimensional image field and project that onto a two dimension plain, a photograph. These are four test photographs.
    The first two are SOOTC exposures processed through Lumen and straightened in LR:

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    Re: Fun with Light L16

    I'd read reviews that weren't very positive but the images you folks are posting look so much better than I'd have expected from reviews!

    Have there been firmware updates?

    What size would you be comfortable printing them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    I'd read reviews that weren't very positive but the images you folks are posting look so much better than I'd have expected from reviews!

    Have there been firmware updates?

    What size would you be comfortable printing them?
    I don't read reviews other than for the entertainment value.

    - Yes. I've loaded three or four updated revs of the camera firmware and three revs of the Lumen app so far since last December. Each time the features have been expanded and the image quality has improved. The Lumen app is still a beta release...

    - Like with any photograph, it depends on the subject matter and the quality of the exposure. I personally don't print much larger than 11x17 inch very frequently with any camera, but I've made some lovely 13x19 prints with the L16 exposures.

    The L16 is a unique camera with a combination of excellent features and versatile capability in a very compact form factor. It's not the best camera for all things, but for what it does well it's a very good performer ... Just like any other camera, for that matter. Because of its unique design and capabilities, and the workflow required to render its exposures, it's difficult to compare directly to any single one other camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    ...The Lumen app is still a beta release...
    Isnt the company out of business? Will there be public release ever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foveon View Post
    Isnt the company out of business? Will there be public release ever?
    What makes you think that light is out of business? No evidence I can see. I get mailings from them on a regular basis, the last firmware update was just a few weeks ago, etc.

    The Lumen app was updated in this last round. New capabilities, better operation, etc. They're just being conservative about calling it "final" ... It's pretty darn good already.

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    Re: Fun with Light L16

    Another nice warm day and took the L16 (and Sony a7R(m)) for a walk around the Cornell arboretum ponds.







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    Re: Fun with Light L16

    What Godfrey said! But wait there's more!

    I am the public, and I bought the camera in the middle of April. And received it around April 20th. The camera came directly from inventory at Ontario Airpot, Calif, a major delivery point for goods from China. This is not a prototype. It's the production camera thats finally being delivered to customers.

    As for going out of business, they're backed by some very sophisticated venture capitalists, including Google ventures. The company goes into the development process in some detail on it's website. The software roadmap has three stages, and it looks as though they are about half way through that process. (The camera will automatically search for and install updates.)

    I bought the camera on the basis of the flesh tones in Godfrey's photos, and the color quality and dimensional representation in Carl's fruit bowl. The quality of detail was a very pleasant surprise. I would like a stop or two of additional dynamic range, and that's on the software roadmap. Also full processing in the camera is on the roadmap.

    The camera is very usable, but you need to use computer software (Lumen) to get the full capabilities that the camera offers. Their website is: light.co

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    A panorama composited from 3 L16 shots taken yesterday at the arboretum ponds.

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    Very nice, Carl!

    From my bicycle ride on Friday, a cafe stop at Roy's Station in Japan Town, San Jose for lunch:


    Light L16
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    full rez: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/958/2...3806dcb9_o.jpg

    enjoy!
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    Re: Fun with Light L16

    Does the 5" FHD touchscreen have good visibility in daylight? direct sunlight? Anyone know the resolution of the screen... I cannot find it on the light.co site. Thanks.

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    Does the 5" FHD touchscreen have good visibility in daylight? direct sunlight? Anyone know the resolution of the screen... I cannot find it on the light.co site. Thanks.
    The screen is pretty good in bright light, not quite as good as an iPhone but close. If I'm trying to do precise work in blasting light, I try to remember to bring my wide brimmed hat or a focusing cloth to shade it.

    I have no idea what the pixel count of the display is. It's high, but irrelevant to my use of the camera. It certainly can't display an image's pixels at 1:1 resolution ... that image resolution isn't even available in-camera. It's good enough for framing, selecting the focus point, and for quick review of the images.

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    Godfrey,

    Thanks for your quick (& helpful) response. I'm really on the fence about this camera. I may take the plunge and rely on the 90 day return period, if I don't bond with it.

    John

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    Re: Fun with Light L16

    We did a wetland walk today near Fall Creek at Stewart Park. Except for prolific skunk cabbage not much else in the way of greenery yet.

    A girdled tree



    Skunk Cabbage



    and more skunk





    Embraced



    Leaving the wetland and crossing the footbridge to the park



    Fall Creek

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    Quote Originally Posted by sc_john View Post
    Godfrey,

    Thanks for your quick (& helpful) response. I'm really on the fence about this camera. I may take the plunge and rely on the 90 day return period, if I don't bond with it.

    John
    I concur with Godfrey's points about the camera. Give it time to get used to the unusual design and handling. The L16 has become my favorite walkabout and travel camera and I don't have to sacrifice image quality for the gains in portability. I use the Peak Design field pouch, either on my belt or with the leash for over shoulder carry. Holds the L16, my iPhone X, and wallet with ease.
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    Carl,

    Thanks for your comments. I guess the only way to find out if it meets my needs is to give it a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    I concur with Godfrey's points about the camera. Give it time to get used to the unusual design and handling. The L16 has become my favorite walkabout and travel camera and I don't have to sacrifice image quality for the gains in portability. I use the Peak Design field pouch, either on my belt or with the leash for over shoulder carry. Holds the L16, my iPhone X, and wallet with ease.
    Same bag here ... I fitted one of their Slide Light straps and drop the iPhone 8 Plus, wallet, and Light L16 into it.

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    Sculpted bench at the arboretum. Light L16.

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    Steamboat Landing at the Farmers Market. Beautiful, warm May afternoon. The fisherman on the dock had three lines out, but he didn't seem to be overly busy pulling in fish.



    Memorial benches



    Looking back towards the lake just below the Landing.

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    Obviously, the camera is capable of producing really good images. Due to the heavy computational load, at this point in time it's an enthusiasts camera.

    I also thins it's a shame that Peta Pixel, DPreview and Imaging Resource reviewed the camera when the company was only 30 to forty percent through the software development cycle. It's a keeper for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm N View Post
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    Obviously, the camera is capable of producing really good images. Due to the heavy computational load, at this point in time it's an enthusiasts camera.

    I also think it's a shame that Peta Pixel, DPreview and Imaging Resource reviewed the camera when the company was only 30 to forty percent through the software development cycle. It's a keeper for me.
    (bolded) Same here.

    I hope that the folks at Light will engage the press strenuously when they have polished up the firmware, have more in-camera capabilities completed, and have Lumen available in a v1.0 release.
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    Off on another tangent ...

    I have been experimenting with the new Polaroid Originals B&W film. For this exposure, I made a prior exposure in the same light and found that the shutter time was such that there was just time to move the camera as the exposure finished to create this dreamy effect.


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    Scanned with Light L16
    ISO 100 @ f/15 @ 1/5 @ 70mm

    One of the difficulties whem shooting with SX-70 type integral instant film is that the shiny cover surface on the image area makes it very difficult to capture to digital due to Newton rings and/or specular reflection. I decided to try using the L16 as a copy camera because I could work at a reasonable distance and control the reflections, and the camera has great DoF at its default settings. It does a good job, making it easy to see and frame accurately what I wanted from the original. The biggest difficulty is nailing the focus just right, but once you get past that hurdle the results are very true to the original image. I made very minimal adjustments to the captured Polaroid image to get it just right.

    Doing this proved to me once again that the Light L16 has a great deal of versatility, more than appears when you first pick it up and start to figure it out.

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    So this Long Haired Malamute comes walking up.
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    Another scan of instant film with the Light L16.


    MiNT Polaroid SLR670a +
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    Scanned with Light L16

    I've refined the technique now and have the Light's focus dead on the mark every time.

    enjoy!
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    Re: Fun with Light L16

    Heading off on an annual trip up to the Mendocino coast area for the next three days with my moto buddies.

    I'm taking the Light, the iPhone 8 Plus, a Sirui T-025x tripod and adapters for both. Amazing how this gear takes up so little space in my motorcycle bags!

    Onwards!
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    Handheld snap of a houseplant blossom. Set aperture to f/2.8 and adjusted focus point in Lumen to get shallow DOF.

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    A brief mother's day morning excursion to get some plants at a nursery in the nearby village of Newfield, NY.





    The Newfield covered bridge.





    West Branch Cayuga Inlet below the bridge.

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    Springtime....Actually, Summer

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    I'm back from my travel.

    The Light did a magnificent job! I made about 40 exposures and most are very very satisfying.
    Working the rendering process now.

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    A young lady unloading her SUP gear at the Stewart Park boathouse dock on Fall Creek.

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    The duck pond behind the Stewart Park boathouse.

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    Another detail shot of a window at the old boathouse. Even the 70mm setting on the L16 can produce impressive sharpness and resolve fine detail.

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    Buttermilk Creek above the gorge.



    and some nearby redbud trees still in blossom.

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    I set the L16, handed it to my partner, and had him shoot a quick portrait of myself and my cousin Matthew Arno when we were in Texas for a wedding last month. I hadn't seen Matthew for eight or nine years and felt I should document us together, we only have so many chances to get together these days since he had moved to Washington and I'm in California. I used to see him every weekend when we were kids; he was born the same year as my youngest brother and was like a kid brother to me too.


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    I'm so glad to have this photograph now. He suddenly and very unexpectedly passed away in the late hours of Monday evening.

    It's hard to see a man still in his prime die so suddenly like that. Very hard.

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    Re: Fun with Light L16

    The results displayed in the images posted here are very impressive. I am really close to pulling the trigger, but one thing that concerns me is the need to introduce Lumen into my workflow. I realize that the types of image you shoot has a lot to do with this question, but do you find that you need to spend much time in Lumen to get an acceptable file to move into your image editor; I am specifically thinking about focus fine-tune and edit depth adjustments to repair (enhance) initial computation results? TIA for any comments/experience.

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    Re: Fun with Light L16

    Hi John,

    The big time sink in using the L16, for me, has been getting familiar enough with the camera in order to minimize how much modification to the capture is needed.

    In the workflow I've adopted, I use Lumen to import all the files to my computer, do a quick look through there, and then output the files as JPEG + DNG for processing in Lightroom. I do most of my image rendering in Lightroom on the DNG files, sometimes the DNGs and/or JPEGs straight out of Lumen are right on the money and I need to very little else.

    In LR, then, I identify which specific images might benefit from further work in Lumen, such as narrowing the focus zone or whatever. Usually this amounts to two or three out of a dozen exposures. At that point, I return to Lumen and make the adjustments, re-output to JPEG+DNG, and then do the finishing work in Lightroom.

    Using Lumen is a bit of a burden sometimes, but overall it's proving to be fairly easy to minimize how much work I need to do in it since I've developed a good feel for how to shoot with the L16 now. The most common thing I need it for is to make the focus zone a bit shallower .. For instance, in the photo of myself and my cousin above, I used this to gently blur the background a little bit, since the default output is at nominally f/15.

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    Godfrey,

    Thanks for comments. It is encouraging to hear that the usage of Lumen can be "limited"... my inference from your words. And, your image of you and your cousin speaks louder than words; it is a fine image in so many ways.

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    Lake and stream levels are getting high from frequent storms passing through the area. Fall Creek and Stewart Park boathouse.

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    The camera has outstanding color accuracy and ability to carry color into the highlights. There is no additional sharpening or noise reduction in these photos. In fact, it has the best color quality of any camera I have ever used.

    As Godfrey stated, most photos can be processed straight though Lumen and into your post processing software. The camera is versatile and quick, once you understand how to work with it. But processing in Lumen is where the final photo is created.
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    Another wet day. Just trying some monochrome conversion with the L16 files and additional toning in Lightroom.

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    More plants. Straight down shot from the edge of my deck. Monochrome version here.

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    More plants. Straight down shot from the edge of my deck. Monochrome version here.
    Wow... for both color and B&W versions! Ordered my L16 yesterday; "bonding" process starts next week.

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    A great little camera, John! I hope you find it as much fun and as capable as I (and Carl and Norm) do.

    I'm super happy that I bought into it when the crowdfunding effort started in 2015. I got it at a deal of a price given what I now know about it, and when I see what it produces. It was a long wait, but worth it.

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    Very nice Norm. I love the way the L16 renders blue skies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    A great little camera, John! I hope you find it as much fun and as capable as I (and Carl and Norm) do.

    I'm super happy that I bought into it when the crowdfunding effort started in 2015. I got it at a deal of a price given what I now know about it, and when I see what it produces. It was a long wait, but worth it.

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    +1! Thanks for persevering Godfrey. Your pioneering experience convinced me to try the L16 and I'm very happy that I did. Bonding takes awhile with this camera but after it shows you what it is capable of it invites you to explore more.
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