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    Zeiss ZX1

    Is this the way cameras will be built in the future?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=GfVDvBzVrCo

    Maybe Leica should have built that camera
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    Looks pretty cool. One could certainly make this their sole camera

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Is this the way cameras will be built in the future?
    I sincerely hope not!

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    I sincerely hope not!
    Quiet a nice design! A styled RX1!?
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    Not for me, Michiel.

    I never liked the Sigma dp quattro either.

    Honestly, I think I should dip my RX1R II in gold and cherish it.

    (i already do by using it)
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    Way too big to be attractive. It's a point and shoot for goodness sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Is this the way cameras will be built in the future?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=GfVDvBzVrCo

    Maybe Leica should have built that camera
    The camera looks beefy and sleek at the same time, if that's possible.
    Comes with a 37,4 MP sensor by Zeiss [!], not bad.
    First impression; a pretty good effort.

    But how well does it perform ...
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    Re: Zeiss ZX1

    Some interesting specs:
    • ISO: 80-51,200
    • Shutter Speed: 1/8000s -30s. I wonder if 1/8000s is delivered by a mechanical leaf shutter, at f/2?
    • No Stabilization of any sort.
    • Integrated hot shoe with Sigma flash protocol.


    https://zx1.zeiss.com
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    Presumably, the mechanical shutter is only to 1/1000s. Anything higher is electronic.


    Sigma flash- makes little sense!


    Quote Originally Posted by Malina DZ View Post
    Some interesting specs:
    • ISO: 80-51,200
    • Shutter Speed: 1/8000s -30s. I wonder if 1/8000s is delivered by a mechanical leaf shutter, at f/2?
    • No Stabilization of any sort.
    • Integrated hot shoe with Sigma flash protocol.


    https://zx1.zeiss.com

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    Makes you wonder whoís actually building it?

    To me the significant feature is the Android interface ~ finally!

    Still I might wait for v.2 like Iíve learned from sad experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Is this the way cameras will be built in the future?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=GfVDvBzVrCo

    Maybe Leica should have built that camera
    Yes!

    Why we still have cameras with removable media is beyond me. Memory is so cheap that a camera should come with in-built memory and a single card slot for backup/overflow purposes. If nothing else write speeds to embedded memory would be faster, as well.

    Also, android or similar camera interfaces. A camera should really be a portable computer with a first class lens system. Android is the most open of the smartphone systems so I'd plump for that.

    All of this was proposed by Tony Northrup in a video a year or so ago and it makes me wonder if Zeiss saw his video and bought into his ideas (tried looking for this video on YouTube but Northrup makes so many I can't find it!).

    In time cameras like this will be smaller and I bet the RX1R III if and when it appears will have similar features.

    Well done Zeiss for seriously moving forward camera firmware design, let's hope some forward thinking camera companies adopt this for mainstream products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Presumably, the mechanical shutter is only to 1/1000s. Anything higher is electronic.


    Sigma flash- makes little sense!
    Yeah the Sigma flash protocol is a head scratcher for me. Seems like Canon, Nikon, or Sony would be the obvious choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Presumably, the mechanical shutter is only to 1/1000s. Anything higher is electronic.
    That would be disappointing, considering other compacts, e.g. RX1, can go as high as 1/4000s with a closed down aperture. Leica Q can do 1/2000s at f/1.7.
    I wonder what limits continuous frame rate to a maximum of 3fps? Sigma DP Merrill series shoot 3.8 fps in continuous mode since 2012...

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Why we still have cameras with removable media is beyond me. Memory is so cheap that a camera should come with in-built memory and a single card slot for backup/overflow purposes. If nothing else write speeds to embedded memory would be faster, as well.
    Technical considerations aside, I like the convenience of cards.

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    Re: Zeiss ZX1

    Interesting camera. I'll be waiting for a hands-on. Pricing is a big question as nothing from Zeiss has ever been a bargain. Well made, yes, but priced accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    Interesting camera. I'll be waiting for a hands-on. Pricing is a big question as nothing from Zeiss has ever been a bargain. Well made, yes, but priced accordingly.
    Iím expecting this to be at least $5k...
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    Don't think it will be 5K. They'll never price it that high. Should be cheaper than a Sony RX1-R2

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    Don't think it will be 5K. They'll never price it that high. Should be cheaper than a Sony RX1-R2
    Well that camera was being sold for $3800 andnive never know Zeiss to be super cheap. $5k seems to be the likely ballpark for them with a SSD HDD and Lightroom being built in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    Well that camera was being sold for $3800 andnive never know Zeiss to be super cheap. $5k seems to be the likely ballpark for them with a SSD HDD and Lightroom being built in.
    How much you wanna bet?

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    How much you wanna bet?
    Iím not a gambling man but itís all guessing and opinion at this point.
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    What exactly does it mean to have Lightroom Ďbuilt iní?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    What exactly does it mean to have Lightroom Ďbuilt iní?

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    Lightroom CC Mobile App is built right into the camera. The version thatís likely on your smartphone. You can edit on the 4.5Ē screen and send a finished image to social media/photsharing websites then sync with your existing Library/Catalog automatically in the cloud. Itís actually a really cool concept and may point to the potential future of cameras down the line possibly. It would be nice to have a removable media slot still but thatís another argument.
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    Re: Zeiss ZX1

    Size comparison with Sony RX1MII:



    Size comparison with the Fuji GFR50:

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    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    Size comparison with Sony RX1MII:



    Size comparison with the Fuji GFR50:

    How did you make this ? I have my doubts about the accuracy

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    Quote Originally Posted by iiiNelson View Post
    Lightroom CC Mobile App is built right into the camera. The version thatís likely on your smartphone. You can edit on the 4.5Ē screen and send a finished image to social media/photsharing websites then sync with your existing Library/Catalog automatically in the cloud. Itís actually a really cool concept and may point to the potential future of cameras down the line possibly. It would be nice to have a removable media slot still but thatís another argument.
    Surely there must be a way to offload images to an external C-drive or whatever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    How did you make this? I have my doubts about the accuracy
    Yeah, I was pretty shocked myself. I went to https://camerasize.com/compare/ and generated the images, then took screenshots, uploaded them to a folder on my website, and linked to them here. You can easily try it yourself. The Zeiss ZX1 is not a compact camera, though it does have some interesting features. Some have complained that the Sony RX1 is cramped. No problem with the Zeiss ZX1. Glad there are choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    How did you make this ? I have my doubts about the accuracy
    If the size ratios are correct, this is a Big Boy. I'm glad to have my RX1r2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    Surely there must be a way to offload images to an external C-drive or whatever?
    connect to a computer via USB, im guessing it will show up as an external disk

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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    Surely there must be a way to offload images to an external C-drive or whatever?
    Theres a built in USB-C port and itíll also have Wi-Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satrycon View Post
    connect to a computer via USB, im guessing it will show up as an external disk
    Or hook a USB-C drive up to it and download into a file system. Either way would work well.

    I don't see much wrong with a half-terabyte internal storage and no cards to muss with. My Light L15 has a quarter terabyte and still has plenty of space after making 1500 exposures, even with its huge multi-camera files.

    BTW, the L16 is also an Android OS-based camera. It works well and is tailored to the camera, not a general purpose release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    Size comparison with Sony RX1MII:



    Size comparison with the Fuji GFR50:

    What were they thinking?
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    What were they thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    What were they thinking?
    Yeah indeed - that Sony is ridiculously tiny: fine for a glove size 8 or less.
    I guess the Zeiss needs the real estate for the screen ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    What were they thinking?
    They decided using a 4.3" rear LCD was worth the extra size. Perhaps if you are going to do a lot of in-camera editing with Lightroom CC, it was a good choice.
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    Monoblock? Monoblock? How about this for a Monoblock?

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    What were they thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    ...I guess the Zeiss needs the real estate for the screen ...
    The Sony is way too small for my hands. The Zeiss is a bit large but would be very comfortable. The Leica M-D and CL are about as small a camera as I want with a traditional layout. Any smaller and the layout has to be radically different, like a Minox III is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    They decided using a 4.3" rear LCD was worth the extra size. Perhaps if you are going to do a lot of in-camera editing with Lightroom CC, it was a good choice.
    Yeah itís a good decision to include... unless you arenít tied into Adobe in any sense of the concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The Sony is way too small for my hands. The Zeiss is a bit large but would be very comfortable. The Leica M-D and CL are about as small a camera as I want with a traditional layout. Any smaller and the layout has to be radically different, like a Minox III is.

    Yes, I have largish hands.

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    So let's look at the ZX1 compared to a FF rangefinder ... the ONLY FF rangefinder ... the Leica M10:





    13mm taller, 4mm wider, and just estimating from the photos I've seen, about the same thickness where you grip it. The lens assembly looks about the same as a modern Summicron-M 35mm in size. The Zeiss is 800g; the Leica is 660g sans lens ... add a lens and they're just about the same. (The ZX1 is even closer in size to the Leica SL body-only ... the dimensions are just about identical, the weight of the complete ZX1 is about a hundred grams less than the SL body-only...)

    It doesn't seem that enormous to me at all. The LCD is a nice increment bigger, and overall the body has more 'clear' space for my thumbs and gripping, like the SL does. It's not a jammed together dinky little point and shoot to jam in my pocket and nip out for an occasional grab. It looks like a serious photographer's working camera, intended for "all day shooting" use.

    A comparison with my Light L16 becomes even closer. Both have USB-C ports, both run on an Android based OS, both have simple, clean shapes that are nicely proportioned, both return a 24+ Mpixel image, both have in-built image storage (256G for the L16, 512G for the ZX1) good for better than a thousand image files, in-camera image processing tools, neither is particularly fast, etc etc. Differences: The ZX1 has an EVF, the L16 does not; the ZX1 has just one focal length and 37 Mpixels, the L16 has a range of focal lengths recording from 16 to 80 Mpixels depending upon settings; the ZX1 is a traditional type of camera, the L16 is a specific take on integrated multi-camera computational photography; the ZX1 is heavier and thicker than the L16; etc, etc.

    Nice to see Zeiss getting into the digital camera game with an interesting and compelling serious camera. I would hope that it presages an interchangeable lens camera with similar features and form factor in a reasonably near term future.

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    Thanks G, the ZX1's size is for its intended purpose IMO just right. Any smaller and it will become a fiddly affair.
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    Thanks G, the ZX1's size is for its intended purpose IMO just right. Any smaller and it will become a fiddly affair.
    Or you could wait for the Zeiss ZX1 Pro with a larger screen.
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    I saw a top down view of the camera in another forum post and the style of the ZX1 is very similar to the Sigma Quattro design. I previously owned both the DP Quattro and SDQ-H and found the ergonomics not to my liking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    I saw a top down view of the camera in another forum post and the style of the ZX1 is very similar to the Sigma Quattro design. I previously owned both the DP Quattro and SDQ-H and found the ergonomics not to my liking.
    Fair enough, but I'm sure in no time somewhere in the world somebody will construct a protective case for it that will provide a secure and comfortable grip too ...
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    But what does it bring to the table, that others don't have?

    And at what price?

    Zeiss can make cameras. Their last offering, that I still own, was the film Ikon RF whose vertical alignment was off straight out of the box!

    Maybe it is the future..onboard storage/memory, editing apps etc. But my iPhone has all that. I prefer to do my photo editing on the computer. Except for Instagram or FB use. Then I use my cell phone.

    Does it have anti-shake, VR, Ibis or whatever it is called?

    In my opinion, a meagre offering which I just glanced at. meh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    But what does it bring to the table, that others don't have?

    And at what price?

    Zeiss can make cameras. Their last offering, that I still own, was the film Ikon RF whose vertical alignment was off straight out of the box!

    Maybe it is the future..onboard storage/memory, editing apps etc. But my iPhone has all that. I prefer to do my photo editing on the computer. Except for Instagram or FB use. Then I use my cell phone.

    Does it have anti-shake, VR, Ibis or whatever it is called?

    In my opinion, a meagre offering which I just glanced at. meh.
    The same could certainly be said of my Leica M-D typ 262. It has nothing at all with respect to features, and the only thing it has over the Zeiss is interchangeable lenses. Add the Summilux-M 35mm lens and it was a $10,000 camera.

    Yet I'd let go of nearly every other camera I own before I sell that one. So some folks' "meh" can easily be another person's dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    But what does it bring to the table, that others don't have?

    And at what price?

    Zeiss can make cameras. Their last offering, that I still own, was the film Ikon RF whose vertical alignment was off straight out of the box!

    Maybe it is the future..onboard storage/memory, editing apps etc. But my iPhone has all that. I prefer to do my photo editing on the computer. Except for Instagram or FB use. Then I use my cell phone.

    Does it have anti-shake, VR, Ibis or whatever it is called?

    In my opinion, a meagre offering which I just glanced at. meh.
    I largely agree with you but as a test bed this may be an interesting look at the future of where cameras may go... and I mostly mean for them to be much more integrated with mobile computing. I have little doubt that Zeiss will price this a little out of the expected price range of most... perhaps far higher than we may expect depending on how much they admire their work.
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    Re: Zeiss ZX1

    More likely I'll just get the maximum iPhone this Winter and actually start using it as a camera.

    As much as I say I wish for a compact full frame with a classic 35/2 I've ignored the Sony RX-# out of ergonomic and UI criticism. Probably the same with this one too... I wish the ZX1 came out in the 2000s, other than the touch screen we had most of the technology in place.

    The more I think about what works in real life, the higher end phone that is always with you trumps all the pocket candy and jewelry mirrorless stuff....

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    More likely I'll just get the maximum iPhone this Winter and actually start using it as a camera.

    As much as I say I wish for a compact full frame with a classic 35/2 I've ignored the Sony RX-# out of ergonomic and UI criticism. Probably the same with this one too... I wish the ZX1 came out in the 2000s, other than the touch screen we had most of the technology in place.

    The more I think about what works in real life, the higher end phone that is always with you trumps all the pocket candy and jewelry mirrorless stuff....
    I dunno. The ZX1 seems pretty slick. And when I look at how much of the photography I've done in this past trip with the CL, I find that 90% or more of it was done with the effectively similar focal length (28mm on APS-C) lens. Both cameras would be solid, reliable working tools, just like my M-D and also like the Light L16 has become.

    My iPhone 8 Plus also has an excellent camera that has performed beyond its specification, but *none* of those exposures hold a candle against what the CL has produced when you look at them critically. Not one. Mostly, what I've done with the iPhone are great snapshots that, like Polaroid prints, look great at iPhone size.

    As in so much of equipment juggling, whatever floats your boat is best.

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    Re: Zeiss ZX1

    You are correct.

    But it was my opinion that I was expressing. I am letting go of my Leicas. I will just keep the M8 and the film MP. And my Lux 50 asph.

    To each their own, G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The same could certainly be said of my Leica M-D typ 262. It has nothing at all with respect to features, and the only thing it has over the Zeiss is interchangeable lenses. Add the Summilux-M 35mm lens and it was a $10,000 camera.

    Yet I'd let go of nearly every other camera I own before I sell that one. So some folks' "meh" can easily be another person's dream.

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    Re: Zeiss ZX1

    [QUOTE=Frankly;768804]
    "As much as I say I wish for a compact full frame with a classic 35/2 I've ignored the Sony RX-# out of ergonomic and UI criticism. Probably the same with this one too... I wish the ZX1 came out in the 2000s, other than the touch screen we had most of the technology in place."

    I mentioned above that I'd prefer the RX1r2 to the Zeiss, and so I guess I should say something about its ergonomics. I wouldn't use it 'naked.' It needs accessories, for example:

    1. Thumbs Up
    2. Hand grip (I tried a couple and chose Metro; your hands may differ)
    3. Shutter release button
    4. Wrist strap

    In my medium-sized hands, it feels and balances just like the M4 that I used for thirty years, with an accurate VF and autofocus. IMO it's a more useful camera than I can imagine the new Zeiss to be (and even the Leicas that Godfrey mentions).

    I'd told a friend to watch for the Zeiss, thinking it would be a more-or-less legitimate offspring of the Rx1 series and Zeiss' last classic film camera. But what they've come up with, while it might foretell the future in some technical respects, seems way to bulky for what it accomplishes, without interchangeable lenses. If it was meant as a street photography camera, I don't think it'll sell very well.

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    I think it's not too big. Just right to me.

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