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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    I tend to think yes. You make an image with the camera at hand.
    Absolutely, but how much are the motives I choose influence by the camera, its functionality and limitations? If you ask the same question if the lenses are discussed, it obviously matters a lot, but with cameras?

    Here's an example:
    When I started shooting motor sports, I used a Fuji S3, and I know that the motives I chose were influenced heavily by the limitations of that camera. Later, I changed to a D80, then to a D300, D2Xs, D700 and finally to a D810. With the latter two, there were few limitations, and my photos reflect that. The photos are not necessarilly better, but they are different. The downside was that I got all these bursts of 36MP images of which none was in focus. With the S3, since I only shot RAW, I had a buffer size of 3 frames, and the buffer took more than 40 seconds to flush. Because of those limitations, I always prepared better, and the hit rate was high.

    With film and with old digital camera that were limited in so many ways, I always worked harder and I always gave the framing and exposure more thought. I suspect that, because of this more elaborate way of taking photos, I might have seen motives that I wouldn't have seen with the current crop of advanced cameras.

    There's no way of proving this of course, and as you point out, we shoot with what we have, but the more I think about it, the less I'm inclined to upgrade my camera bodies, although I often give the opposite impression

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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Fuji S5 with Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 @ 50mm and f/4


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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    With film and with old digital camera that were limited in so many ways, I always worked harder and I always gave the framing and exposure more thought. I suspect that, because of this more elaborate way of taking photos, I might have seen motives that I wouldn't have seen with the current crop of advanced cameras.
    Are you basically saying that new cameras make you a lazy photographer. If so, I'd stay as far away from that EM1X as I could. Too many fps to distract you from the task at hand.

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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    Are you basically saying that new cameras make you a lazy photographer. If so, I'd stay as far away from that EM1X as I could. Too many fps to distract you from the task at hand.
    Absolutely. Technology makes photography easier, it doesn't make me a better photographer. This is not unique to cameras. Most progresses in consumer technology make most people lazier.

    If I buy the E-M1X, it would mostly be because of build quality and ergonomics. Oh... and it looks cool too
    However, at the moment, I'm more likely to buy a G95 with the grip. It's a third of the price, uses batteries that I already have, and has excellent ergonomics too, very much like my old GH1 and 2. Or maybe I should buy another Fuji S5. They are cheap now, and image quality is still good

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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Now don't misunderstand me. I'm fortunate enough to be able to shoot:

    Phase One IQ3100 with XF kit and Actus DB outfit
    Fuji GFX 50s outfit
    Leica M10 kit
    Leica M246 kit
    Sony RX100 VI
    Nikon Df kit with wonderful AIS glass
    Ricoh GRDII
    Sigma Merrills full kit - yup all of them.

    (oh, and a bunch of film Leicas)

    And the overwhelming thing as I get older is that technology and art are not related. I could shoot a wonderful image with any of those cameras and the technical capabilities wouldn't matter a jot. (Ok, the Leica lenses do have a special look but I digress)

    I suspect that it's similar to asking a great writer what typewriter they used.
    Finally!!!!

    A voice of reason and wisdom!!!

    Actually a lot of voices of reason and wisdom!

    How did I miss this thread? Hmmm... I have to get a CD reader to download/upload? my images from the D1/D2 cameras I used in the past. Those images are still not obsolete and neither are the cameras. I wish I had been able to have kept them.
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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    I've a similar history as many others here: D1, R-D1 etc, and while I agree that 6MP can certainly be enough, I'm glad to have the additional pixel depth that I'm shooting today (24MP Sony NEX 7 and a6000). I just bought a 20MP (albeit 1"-type sensor) Sony RX100 Mk3, I'm liking the additional pixels for cropping into its 24-70mm range to approximate having a 200-300mm viewpoint without carrying my APC cameras and lenses.

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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Another 6MP oldie from Hong Kong that I dug up.


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    Another wonderful thread! Thank you pegelli

    D70s..( ok I cheat..6.1mp )..in Switzerland...




    I remember taking the following in St.Moritz, as if it was yesterday!!

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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I suspect that it's similar to asking a great writer what typewriter they used.
    One of the best quotes in a very long time.

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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I suspect that it's similar to asking a great writer what typewriter they used.
    And yet you told us about all your different typewriters.

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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    And yet you told us about all your different typewriters.
    My point was that at the end of the day it doesn’t matter.
    Remember: adventure before dementia!

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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    My point was that at the end of the day it doesn’t matter.
    Which is why it was so ironic.

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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    And yet you told us about all your different typewriters.
    That makes no sense. The point is that the viewer does not care about the equipment the image was made with, but simply the inherent quality of that image. The artist/photographer still needs to make a compelling image. The choice of camera will influence that, even in practical ways--there are somethings I can get with my point and shoot that I can't get with my medium-format DSLR. But the viewer cares nothing about that choice, especially if the only notable aspect is the technical specifications.

    No one is saying the camera does not matter. What is being expressed is there is more to making successful images than technical specifications. While my cameras, an X Pro2, XF10, and Pentax 645D, all have different technical specifications, it is what I do with them that counts more in the final analysis. The typewriter does not matter to the viewer.
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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    And yet you told us about all your different typewriters.
    Screw typewriters...Pens and pencils.

    I dabbled in calligraphy ( no Virginia, you can’t do that with the typewriters I once had ).
    So I bought different pens...variety of them. I bought different nibs. I looked at Japanese calligraphy. I bought Japanese nibs of various sizes. I bought ink pots.

    I have a most beautiful pen with a hand crafted nib ( no you don’t find it at Best Buy ).

    I had to fill a form. No, they said I can’t complete it with my pen. Pencil? No.

    They asked it to be filled with a ball point pen.

    So I bought a ball point pen.

    No, they said. Blue ball point.

    Can I do it on a typewriter, I asked.

    No!

    Apple Pencil?

    Do you understand ‘ English ‘?

    Yes.

    Then why did you fill it in Arabic?

    Coz sweetheart, I understand English. I can’t think in English when using ball pens!

    So I have a collection of pens, nibs, pencils and ball pens.

    Each one had and has a role.

    Just as my cameras and lenses.
    koffee & kamera
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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    How fine the grain , do we need? Ah well.... thanks Pegelli.

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    The bend in Big Bend. Fraturing the mighty Rio Grande.

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    Thanks to Norm for getting this back to pictures.


    More Pentax K110D, this time with the 24/2.8 Sigma AF.
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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    4MP pixel SOOC jpegs.





    From a Konica Minolta construction-site camera that was never sold in the US. Think big armored waterproof Dimage X.
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    Re: Who needs more than 6 MP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    From a Konica Minolta construction-site camera that was never sold in the US. Think big armored waterproof Dimage X.
    One of the "gembakantoku" series, no? I think Ricoh still offers a rugged-cam.

    But it renders those flowers beautifully, and the dog is fun too!

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