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    No Pentax K7 love?

    I'll admit that I drifted away from the various photo sites when work heated up, but dropped back in to discover that Pentax actually did announce a new dSLR, and it looks pretty sweet. Instead of cramming more mp onto the sensor, they worked other features, fixing some shortcomings, and adding some new twists. Smaller, lighter, still weather resistant, and ready for some limited prime lenses to be popped on it.

    Have to see how the budget fares, but this will likely be an upgrade for my K20d. The 100% viewfinder, 3" display and video option (amazing how often I use that on the DLux4) along with better AF and metering dip the scales.

    http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/K-7

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    I think that they're kind of late with their timing, between Canon's offerings, Nikon's d700, d3, d3x and Sony's A900, most of us are pretty much invested in these systems and as good as K7 might be its not offering enough to tempt anyone away from what we already use. Not to mention the new 4/3rd cameras like the G1 for which the people have started investing heavily in exotic glass. I feel that they would have had a better chance last summer than now, which at this point, imo the K7 will appeal more to those who already own Pentax systems rather than those invested in other brands, which is the majority of users here.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    The other thing of note is that the K7 evidently has a nearly silent shutter. A big plus for me.

    If the iq of the K7 is on-par with the d700, d3, a900 then there will be some pissed off Canikon owners as the competitors to the K7 are the D90/D300, a700 (K7 is an APS-C sensor and priced accordingly). Since I already have Pentax glass it is a logical consideration for me. I thought multiple times about jumping back to Nikon or to Sony for an a900, but the Pentax limited prime lenses keep me where I am.

    I bought a G1 for my g/f and she likes it, but it doesn't turn my crank. Then again I don't have any M glass lying around to slap on it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    The other thing of note is that the K7 evidently has a nearly silent shutter. A big plus for me.

    If the iq of the K7 is on-par with the d700, d3, a900 then there will be some pissed off Canikon owners as the competitors to the K7 are the D90/D300, a700 (K7 is an APS-C sensor and priced accordingly). Since I already have Pentax glass it is a logical consideration for me. I thought multiple times about jumping back to Nikon or to Sony for an a900, but the Pentax limited prime lenses keep me where I am.

    I bought a G1 for my g/f and she likes it, but it doesn't turn my crank. Then again I don't have any M glass lying around to slap on it...
    Buying and selling bodies isn't a problem, its the glass that makes changing systems expensive!

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    I have 2 K100 bodies and a box full of old and new K and m42 glass.
    The idea of a near silent DSLR along with say the 40 or 21mm pancake lenses appeals greatly.
    So tempting...

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    I think that they're kind of late with their timing, between Canon's offerings, Nikon's d700, d3, d3x and Sony's A900, most of us are pretty much invested in these systems and as good as K7 might be its not offering enough to tempt anyone away from what we already use. Not to mention the new 4/3rd cameras like the G1 for which the people have started investing heavily in exotic glass. I feel that they would have had a better chance last summer than now, which at this point, imo the K7 will appeal more to those who already own Pentax systems rather than those invested in other brands, which is the majority of users here.
    I must be the exception that proves the rule. Before I settled on a D300 as my first DSLR, I very seriously considered Pentax -- mainly because of their Limited primes, especially the 31/1.8 and the 77/1.8. Now, even though I have a substantial investment in Nikon lenses, I continue to lust after that 31/1.8. If the K-7 is as good in reality as it seems from the specs, I can easily see myself buying one to supplement my Nikon system.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    I have all the FA ltd primes. The 31/1.8 is usually on my K20d body, but the 77/1.8 is a magic lens. The 43/1.9 is nice as well, but the 31/77 combo is all that and a bag of chips.

    I also have the 50-135* which, as much as I hate zooms, is an incredible lens. And weatherproof to boot.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    I will be upgrading my system later this year, and instead of moving from Fuji and Nikon DX cameras to a D700, I will probably go for one or two K7 instead. From a cost point of view, it would probably be cheaper to buy the D700, but the Nikon plus my 80-200 AF-S are around 2.8 kilograms, while the Pentax with the 50-135 f/2.8 weigh in at 1.4 kg, around half. Add to that smaller, lighter primes, all image stabilised, and I will probably save around 3 kilos when carrying my typical setup. That's a lot less to carry, and a lot less to discuss with ground crews at assorted airports.

    16-50 f/2.8, 50-135 f/2.8 and 60-250 f/4 (all weather sealed) will probably be sufficient for most of what I do, but since the Limited primes are where Pentax really shines, I will look at a package consisting of the 15/4, 31/1.8 and 77/1.8 or 70/2.4. The weather sealed 55/1.4 is also a tempting option for portraits and walk-around.

    I'll keep my Fujis though

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    If it wasn't because I went sony 6 months ago I would be buying one and some Pentax Limited primes as well. Assuming that the IQ is where it should.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    I think the new K7 looks really sweet, and, if Pentax improved the low ISO shadow noise and AF greatly over the K20D, it is sure to be a winner. However, I don't think anyone thinks it'll be in the same category as the D700, D3x, A900, etc, IQ-wise, nostatic.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I think the new K7 looks really sweet, and, if Pentax improved the low ISO shadow noise and AF greatly over the K20D, it is sure to be a winner. However, I don't think anyone thinks it'll be in the same category as the D700, D3x, A900, etc, IQ-wise, nostatic.
    I never claimed it would be. Someone else mentioned it in the same breath as those, hence my statement that if it was equivalent, then people would be pissed. It is a direct competitor to other APS-C cameras (eg D300) and it looks like Pentax got it right. We'll see when it finally hits the streets.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    I never claimed it would be. Someone else mentioned it in the same breath as those, hence my statement that if it was equivalent, then people would be pissed. It is a direct competitor to other APS-C cameras (eg D300) and it looks like Pentax got it right. We'll see when it finally hits the streets.
    I also think it looks fab . . but it also looks pretty pricey in the UK

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    I think the new K7 looks really sweet, and, if Pentax improved the low ISO shadow noise and AF greatly over the K20D, it is sure to be a winner. However, I don't think anyone thinks it'll be in the same category as the D700, D3x, A900, etc, IQ-wise, nostatic.
    Image quality is always a compromise between price, weight, size and some perceived optimum that we all strive to reach. If my choice on a certain day is between an A900 with a couple of heavy lenses and compact camera with no proper viewfinder and questionable low-light performance, either my back, my wallet or the image quality will suffer. With the K-7, none will.

    Ideally, we would always have a Hasselblad with the latest, greatest digital back (with excellent 52,000 ISO, 15 fps etc.) and a bunch of fabulous f/1.4 lenses available for every shot we make. But most of us don't. This is what makes cameras like the A900, D700, K-7, G1 and E-620 (and probably the Leica S2) so great: they are all excellent compromises. We just have to pick a point on the graph that is suitable for our own needs.

    For my needs, and for many different reasons (size, weight, price, weather sealing, build quality, great primes, great viewfinder, SD-cards), the K-7 seems to hit closest to the target right now. The risk is of course that some other camera/system will hit even closer tomorrow, and maybe even before I get to purchase this thing, but luckily for all of us, camera manufacturers seem to wander off in different directions, making choices varied and interesting.

    It was never better to be a gear-head than now, and it will hopefully be even better tomorrow

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Talk about coincidences! This morning, as I was thinking about whether the 31/1.8 Limited might be too big and heavy for the K-7, it occurred to me that I could ask nostatic to take a picture of his 31/1.8 Limited on the K-7 -- assuming that he gets one. An hour or so later I read a post on RiceHigh's Pentax Blog pointing to a www.dpnet.com.cn story (apparently about the supposed similarities between the K-7 and Samsung's promised NX) which included this photo.

    I knew that the 31/1.8 was a substantial piece of glass but I wasn't prepared for how disproportionately large it looks on the K-7. So now I eagerly await nostatic's report on how the 31/1.8 feels on the K-7.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Well, now I *have* to buy one

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    That photo really shows how tiny the K-7 is. Although the 31 Ltd. is substantial, it's not huge. I'm really looking forward to try this camera

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    That photo really shows how tiny the K-7 is. Although the 31 Ltd. is substantial, it's not huge. I'm really looking forward to try this camera
    Jorgen, that is a much more insightful way of interpreting the photo. In fact, the 31/1.8 is similar in size and weight to my 28/2 AI-S Nikkor, which I don't regard as a large lens at all.

    31/1.8 Limited: 65x69mm 345g
    28/2 AI-S Nikkor: 63x68.5mm 360g

    So it really is the case that the K-7 is tiny, as this Photozone picture of the 31/1.8 on a K10 confirms.

    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    Well, now I *have* to buy one
    Well, either you or Jorgen! Though, in the latter case, he'll need to get the 31/1.8 too...
    Last edited by Jonathon Delacour; 21st June 2009 at 16:30.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    I briefly had a Km and found it to be too small for my tastes (same with the G1). The K-7 appears to be a bit bigger, and I'm hoping if falls in the "just right" category.

    The 31 looks rather small on my K20d, so I'm thinking it'll likely balance well on the K-7. I won't order one blind though - I'll wait until my local shop gets one in so I can hold it. I'm thinking that the 43 on the K-7 would be an ultimate street setup but I've been shooting almost all 31 lately because...well, just because.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Photos of K7, 31/1.8 and battery grip:

    http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2009/...tery-grip.html

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    The 31 looks rather small on my K20d, so I'm thinking it'll likely balance well on the K-7. I won't order one blind though - I'll wait until my local shop gets one in so I can hold it. I'm thinking that the 43 on the K-7 would be an ultimate street setup but I've been shooting almost all 31 lately because...well, just because.
    Interesting, I would have thought that the 40/2.8 Limited might be a more natural fit for the K-7. Would you mind explaining why you lean towards the 43/1.9?

    The 31/1.8 does look nicely balanced on the K-7 fitted with the battery grip. (I'm pretty sure that if I had the 31mm I'd be doing 95% of my shooting with it.)

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    I don't really like the 40/2.8. I love the look of it on the camera, but will take a faster lens any day of the week, and the 40 is very thin so any manual focus is a bit of a challenge.

    Plus the FA ltds are just sublime lenses. The DA ltds are nice (I have the 35/2.8 macro ltd) but not quite the same.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    The rumour is that the Samsung GX30 is based on the K-7 body with the same sensor, but with dual SD-slots, built-in Wi-Fi and tilt AMOLED display. It's supposed to be launched on 7 July. Now it's getting really complicated...

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    The rumour is that the Samsung GX30 is based on the K-7 body with the same sensor, but with dual SD-slots, built-in Wi-Fi and tilt AMOLED display. It's supposed to be launched on 7 July. Now it's getting really complicated...
    Ooooooooooooooohhhh!!!!

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    I worked with Pentax gear from late 2004 to early 2008. Good lenses, only decent bodies. The K7 looks to be of the same class as the Limited lenses in build quality, finally.

    I had all the FA and DA Limited lenses. My favorites were the DA21, FA43 and both DA70/FA77.

    The 31 was in particular the one I found the most frustrating ... stupid fixed lens hood, flare on the DSLRs and hard to fit a good hood along with weight, size and price which seemed over-much. I sold it, bought the FA35/2 instead. At a third the price, it was much lighter, much smaller, took a normal lens hood, and had fewer flare problems. Bokeh was slightly less pleasing at some lens openings, but it annoyed me less than the 31.

    The FA43, however ... I have considered keeping my K10D body simply to use that lens on it. A wonderful lens.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Godfrey,
    Did you ever own the screw mount 135mm f/3.5 Super Takumar? I found one in a shop earlier today, with the original hood. A bit too expensive, but a beautiful lens. Unfortunately, I have no Pentax to try it on. Not yet anyway...

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    The rumour is that the Samsung GX30 is based on the K-7 body with the same sensor, but with dual SD-slots, built-in Wi-Fi and tilt AMOLED display. It's supposed to be launched on 7 July. Now it's getting really complicated...
    I saw that rumor and initially thought the articulated display was simply too much to hope for. Then I looked at the quoted dimensions and compared them with the K-7's:

    GX30: 138mm (W) × 100mm (H) × 72mm (D)
    K-7: 131mm (W) x 97mm (H) x 73mm (D)

    Would the AMOLED display be so much thinner than a conventional LCD display that it could tilt without adding anything to the depth of the camera? Then again, the fact that I'm poring over the specs like this proves how interested I am in this small K-mount camera.

    With the news that Hoya has decided to shut down the Pentax Museum, I'm beginning to wonder if it mightn't be smarter to go with a Samsung K-mount camera anyway, since the chances seem to be steadily increasing that Samsung with eventually absorb the Pentax brand, as Sony did with Konica-Minolta.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The FA43, however ... I have considered keeping my K10D body simply to use that lens on it. A wonderful lens.
    Hmm, another vote of confidence in the 43/1.9 Limited. Duly noted!

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon Delacour View Post
    With the news that Hoya has decided to shut down the Pentax Museum, I'm beginning to wonder if it mightn't be smarter to go with a Samsung K-mount camera anyway, since the chances seem to be steadily increasing that Samsung with eventually absorb the Pentax brand, as Sony did with Konica-Minolta.



    Hmm, another vote of confidence in the 43/1.9 Limited. Duly noted!
    Developing new camera bodies at the rate the competitors are doing these days, is probably well beyond the capabilities of Pentax. A scenario where Samsung develops and makes the bodies, and Pentax the lenses would probably make more sense, but what do I know

    I note with interest the enthusiasm for the 43/1.9 Limited. Being one of the more reasonably priced Limiteds, that might be an economical way into the K-mount system, at least for me.

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    I will be receiving my first K7's and GH1's this week. I will try and do some side by side comparison photos. I have also asked a customer to help me with a video comparison. I know very little about video. Any ideas? cheers Bill Wilby

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    Re: No Pentax K7 love?

    A couple of things to try. First would be tripod in varying light (daylight, low light). Second would be to pan while shooting (at both 24 and 30fps). Third would be to vary focus and/or aperture while shooting. It isn't clear what all is adjustable based on the pre-production firmware.

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