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    Dave, you obtained a very dramatic effect with your PP work. Perhaps the base of clouds has a little to much blue (usually base of clouds is nearly gray)and contrast could be weakened a little, as it is in most of the very pleasant landscapes that I admired in your site.
    Seems that there are not many Pentax 645d users here at Getdpi!
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    Hi Dave,

    I would tend to agree with the constructive comments of Sergio. I like the more realistic and dramatic effects of the sky and image on the left (as posted)...as opposed to the increased contrast and "blue intensity" of the photo posted on the right. A lighgt hand in post processing, especially when adding some dramatic effects, goes a long way to imporving a photographic while still keeping it looking natural. I too really like this particular image of yours

    Sergio, I think there are more users of the 645D on Getdpi than are posting but hopefully in time more will contribute their thoughts.

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    Sergio, I think there are more users of the 645D on Getdpi than are posting but hopefully in time more will contribute their thoughts.

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    One from yesterday, Stormy Spring Day in Park City.
    645D, 300mm FA F11, ISO 400

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    That is a strong image Steven. I wonder if it would be better in B&W or if the brown tones of the tree branches add that extra little bit to the image.

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    Mark,

    I was thinking b&w to initially also tough call
    Hmm.

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    Thanks to all ...possibly I get carried away with post!
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    Sergio,

    Lovely portrait with a great smile! It looks though like you were shooting into the light, not only becuase of the flair and reflection of aperture blades, but of the lower contrast due to these factors. Yet throuygh it all, the sharpnes and detail comes through.

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    Great Shot! Wow, still snowing as we go into springtime...although we're just about to get hit with a snowstorm in a few hours too.

    I kind of like that it was kept in color...as its somewhat close to being monotone yet small slices of color come through like the tree branches/trunk, the green ski poles and the little bit of red in his waist pouch. I'd have to see a B&W version to know whcih one I'd prefer.

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    Thanks Dave, in general acceptable flare resistance with this lens, and an UV filter was
    included, just to complicate a little...

    Steven, great photo and for me also as is it is perfect. The presence of the skyer exactly
    in the right position is a strong plus.

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    Love the snow scene Steven. I'm jealous of the shot and what appears to be good skiing conditions. Here's a sunset shot of Lake Erie; two stitched shots taken with a 200mm FA.

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    Wow Tom...That sunset color is intense. If you didn't mention that it was a lake, I was thinking the foreground rocks were hot molten (or solidified) lava glowing. Is the foreground sand and rocks with the tide out and the primary body of the water in the distance...so something else? In either case a facinating image of Lake Erie. Nicely done!
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    Well done great image 200mm stitched I would have never thought of that
    I will have to try one with my 200mm fa

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    Thanks guys.
    Steven the resolution of the stitched image is amazing. It's lost in the web version, I'll post a crop later.
    Dave,It's all ice. The large chunks are all pieces from a thaw a few weeks ago. The last few days have been very cold and still, so what you think is sand is skim ice formed recently. The shot was taken just before the sun set, so the last rays were almost parallel to the surface of the lake. The red pieces are ice high enough to still be hit by direct sunlight.
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    Tom, thanks for the explanation! It looks completely different from what I recall Lake Erie looks like...great shot. Yes, would also love to see crop from stitching...web images rarely do justice to images (especially stitched ones) when actually seen in print, etc.

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    Crop

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    Tom, Can clearly see thats ice now...but that rock in the foreground is erie (no pun intended)...looks like a hot molten lava roack thats glowing red hot. Great detail.

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    I got to have some fun with the 645D today and yesterday; nothing extraordinary, but enjoyable. First signs of spring here. Unkown (to me) beach plant shows new growth, rising from the decayed remains of last year; beach abstract; birds, (apologies to A. Hitchcock.)

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    Hi Tom,

    Really like the 1st shot (on left) for it's texture, pattern and monochromatic look surrounding the single colored flower in the middle. Would make an interesting print in my opinion. Also like the "cold" tone of the middle image along with the shadow of the barren tree..all contributing the starkness of winter. The final image would do Hitchcock proud. Which lenses did you use for these images? Today I've been putting a (another) FA 45-85 through it's paces. This one an extremely good performer at most focal lengths. I have to ctach up with a mountain of other work, so I can eventually post some images.

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    Thanks Dave. I like the 1st one as well, it's the only one I've printed and makes a nice print, somewhat lost on the web. Lenses used were: 120, 35, 400.
    Please do post some images; if it weren't for you, Steven, Sergio, Dave and me there wouldn't be much activity on this thread.

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    Hi Tom,

    Yes, the image on the left is most is most definitely the one I would choosen to have printed too. It's unfortunate, as you mentioned, that web images often don't convey how good an image is, until seen in print or at least on a sufficiently sized monitor. One has to sort of use their imagination when viewing here on the web. Now that you mentioned which lenses were used, I try to imagine why the images and their perspectives look the way they do, relative to the focal length and it makes sense.

    Hopefully as time goes on, more will join in the discussions regarding the 645D and images from it. I think it just takes some time and hopefully we'll keep things moving forward. I just wish there were more hours in a day to do more

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    Messing with 645D and HDR. A friend on another BB suggested I try using CS5 HDR Toning, rather than Merge to HDR. He also suggested you can use one shot, bring into ACR, and make one 2 stops over, one 2 stops under and combine with a "correct" exposure. The first shot was done that way. Second shot also used HDR Toning, but combined three shots 2 stops apart made in camera, tripod used.
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    Dave "Gurtch" Nice images, I am not a huge fan of HDR, though I like the first image better.
    Everyone else on this thread, it would be helpful to know which lens was used and at what F-Stop / ISO.
    Since the 645D is by itself a great camera, finding good lenses is a whole other story.

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    Kuau: Good point. The picture on left was made with the 45~85 FA which I am VERY pleased with. F13 of f16. Picture on right made with 35mm f3.5 A (Manual focus) lens which does not have a sterling reputation, but I love mine. Again f13 of 16, camera on tripod mirror locked up three exposures. I, too, am not a big fan of HDR that "looks like HDR". I'm trying to hold highlights from blowing out, and pulling shadow detail, but I want a natural look. Like I said "I'm still learning".....I'm 74, but still chugin' along!
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    Dave:

    I'm not much of a HDR fan unless it's almost undetectable. I much prefer the first shot, but would lessen the effect in the sky.

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    645D as widlife camera?

    I was in a local harbor watching some of the migrating waterfowl. The harbor was filled with Mergansers and I tried a shot using the AF on the 400mm. I donít have any experience with 35mm based AF systems, but I must say I was impressed with the cameraís ability to nail the focus on a bird passing by at high speed. Full and crop of focus bird

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurtch View Post
    Kuau: Good point. The picture on left was made with the 45~85 FA which I am VERY pleased with. F13 of f16. Picture on right made with 35mm f3.5 A (Manual focus) lens which does not have a sterling reputation, but I love mine. Again f13 of 16, camera on tripod mirror locked up three exposures. I, too, am not a big fan of HDR that "looks like HDR". I'm trying to hold highlights from blowing out, and pulling shadow detail, but I want a natural look. Like I said "I'm still learning".....I'm 74, but still chugin' along!
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    Dave I hope I am still shooting when I am 74
    I just sent you a PM. I would love to get my hands on one of your DNG/PEF files taken with your 35mm "A" lens to compare to my FA 35MM lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Dave I hope I am still shooting when I am 74
    I just sent you a PM. I would love to get my hands on one of your DNG/PEF files taken with your 35mm "A" lens to compare to my FA 35MM lens.

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    C'mon Steve

    Lots of us are still shooting at 74. The difference is that while you guys at the workshop went hiking to Patriarch Grove, the altitude plus lugging all the gear through the snow was too much for me.

    I think that all you can do is the best you can do (and then enjoy!)

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    Woody, No disrespect I just hope I can still see when I am 74, I have horrible vision at age 48 and it's only getting worse and uncorrectable.

    Anyways,
    I remember sitting in you car in Northern Arizona / Utah telling you that you were my Hero and I hope one day I can live my life like you have.

    Though I only got to meet you for 3-4 days, to this day I always bring your name up to my wife when she asks me what I want to do/be when I get older, my response has always is and will always be "I want to be like "Woody"
    My Friend.

    Steven.

    ps.. Can't wait to see some of your images from your new S2...
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    [QUOTE=woodyspedden;304423]
    I think that all you can do is the best you can do (and then enjoy!)

    Woody, always a great philosophy to live by! Never stop enjoying life, and always think positive... even though at times as we get older, certain tasks that were once easy become a bit harder.

    On a seperate issue, I too am not a big fan of HDR...except when its both effective and yet not obvious. I will say though I once saw a NYC street scene where HDR was used to empasized the summertime street activites, and make them seem almost sureal. It was extremely effective. Thats probably because it was made to be quite obvious, a sureal scene.... obvious, rather than just enhancing part of the scene, which often render those parts unrealistic. Of course HDR is very subjective and like taste in food, there is no right or wrong.

    Dave, like Woody, I admire your passion for photography and boundless energy to capture images. Always enjoy looking at your posted images and your photographic endevors.

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    Pentax Demo Barcelona Fair 75 / 2,8 AF at f13. Processed in cs5. 100% crop.

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    Dave I hope I am still shooting when I am 74
    I just sent you a PM. I would love to get my hands on one of your DNG/PEF files taken with your 35mm "A" lens to compare to my FA 35MM lens.

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    Steven: I will send you a full size file after I see your PM, as I am not sure how to do it. I am not sure you will be pleased at the performance, as I do not shoot flat brick walls, but rather scenics. Having said that, it will be hard to see exactly where the focus is, as I focus about 1/3 of the way in, and there are usually bushes, dune grass, etc from close up to infinity. I have made 17x23 prints and they are fine to my eye, but to a pro, maybe not good enough. On the other hand the 45~85 I have made 24x32 prints and they truly show off medium format.
    I will send an unaltered DNG today. I always enjoy your posts and work; thans
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    Quote Originally Posted by gurtch View Post
    Steven: I will send you a full size file after I see your PM, as I am not sure how to do it. I am not sure you will be pleased at the performance, as I do not shoot flat brick walls, but rather scenics. Having said that, it will be hard to see exactly where the focus is, as I focus about 1/3 of the way in, and there are usually bushes, dune grass, etc from close up to infinity. I have made 17x23 prints and they are fine to my eye, but to a pro, maybe not good enough. On the other hand the 45~85 I have made 24x32 prints and they truly show off medium format.
    I will send an unaltered DNG today. I always enjoy your posts and work; thans
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    Steven: I sent three files to you today. Good Luck!!
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    645D 120mm MF Macro, monopod, f13 EI either 200 or 400. B&W conversion in Silver Efex Pro.
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    Caspian Terns, migrating through the Great Lakes. 400mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurtch View Post
    645D 120mm MF Macro, monopod, f13 EI either 200 or 400. B&W conversion in Silver Efex Pro.
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    Dave, I love all the repetitive interwoven "lines" in the image...those from the fence and patterns in the sand. What sort of balances and counteracts these lines are the circular patterns found in the lower left, which I presume are footprints? Just out of curioisty, I wonder how this image looked in color. There appears to be a grainy pattern. Was this due to upping the ISO or introduced in post processing? Nicely done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsjanik View Post
    Caspian Terns, migrating through the Great Lakes. 400mm.
    Tom, what keeps me coming back to your image is it's realism to what one experiences when viewing birds flying in such close proximity to one another and in such a pattern. Sort of like sea gulls by the water during a feeding frenzy. Wings flapping so that there is both elements of sharpness and blurs, both of which were nicely captured in your image. Very natural looking. Have you tried printing this image?

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    Hi Dave;

    Yes it prints nicely. It's not a great image, but I love shots like this that freeze a brief chaotic moment and allow you to see what is a blur in real time. Although the 645D is a MF camera, it really does handle like a 35mm, it amazes me that it allows the capture of a shot like this (handheld, ISO 400, 400mm lens).

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    Hi Tom,

    Like yourself, I too often feel at times, the 645D handles much like a DSLR...only a bit slower. This DSLR handling comes at such times where I'm shooting at wider apertures, allowing the camera to be hand held and/or for those times when unexpectedly, a shot presents itself and there is only a short time to capture it. It's one of the aspects I truly enjoy about the 645D.

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    Happy with this shot. 35mm A, hand held, extensive PS work to restore the sun

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    Tom,

    I can see why you are happy with this shot. When I first glaced at it, I thought "full frame fisheye", with the amost circular and curvature of the ice formation...but of course the horizon is not really curved. The sunset is a hard thig to preserve while keeping lit detail on the ice in the shadows. What catches my eye is the glowing ice, like in a previous shot of yours. The image to me says icy cool yet parts fo the ice say "hot" in the areas where it glow. This contridiction is what makes the shot for me! With warm springtime weather settling in here, its hard to imagine you still have so much ice where you are.

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    Dave, I love all the repetitive interwoven "lines" in the image...those from the fence and patterns in the sand. What sort of balances and counteracts these lines are the circular patterns found in the lower left, which I presume are footprints? Just out of curioisty, I wonder how this image looked in color. There appears to be a grainy pattern. Was this due to upping the ISO or introduced in post processing? Nicely done!

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    Thanks Dave. In Silver Effex Pro, I chose Tri-X or Plus-X emulation, which adds grain. The original color shot is not too much different: fence and posts dark brown.
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    Well Dave and Dave , I guess it's we three who are keeping this thread alive.
    First attempt at focus stacking with only three exposures. 120mm macro at 5.6. Interesting technique, I could never have gotten this DOF without stopping down and bringing the ugly backgtound into focus; I should have chosen a subject not moving in the wind for my first trials, but I love these beech leaves.

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    Don't forget me, One from the other day in Park Meadows, Park City.
    35mm A F13 at infinity. Playing around with capture sharpening in LR3, I used Detail 100, Radius .8 and Amount 45

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuau View Post
    Don't forget me, One from the other day in Park Meadows, Park City.
    35mm A F13 at infinity. Playing around with capture sharpening in LR3, I used Detail 100, Radius .8 and Amount 45

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    Opps! Sorry Steven. Love the shots you've posted. In any event, there aren't many 645D owners posting.
    Nice scene, it appears you are more into spring than those of us in New York.

    Cheers,

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    Hi Tom and Steven,

    Tom, give it time...there is bound to be others who will contribute to the 645D threads. Your leaf image is interesting. The gray backgroung reminds me of leaves hanging onto a tree in the dead of winter as opposed to springtime. The colors are soft, which is what I like in this image....almost makes the image feel delicate.

    Steven, lovely shot! Reminds me of winter's thaw with Spring just around the corner. Feels and looks like many of the scenes I used to see each April when I had to make trips to Colorado for work. Nice!

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    tom,
    thanks, the pentax is a enigma. people who can afford 10k on this forum, usually go for the more expe sive phase mamiya system or alpa, arca swiss, leica s2, hasselblad h4 etc
    i think for the hoppiest photographer the 645d is a great camera, and like Dave mentioned, with a little patience one can find good copies of FA lenses.
    tbough i am affraid thep ros will stick with there phase df, techview cameras, hasselblad and leica MF sytems
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    Can anyone advise me how you manage to post images so they display at that size? I have some 645D shots I would like to post but whenever I do they get resized and don't display embedded like these have been.

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    Re: Fun with the 645D

    IMO, you folks should stop apologizing for the Pentax 645D ... it is a phenomenal camera given the features, handling and IQ when measured on the Price/Value scale. Perhaps the best value currently available in MFD. And for certain types shooting a better value than top dog 35mm DSLRs which cannot measure up in IQ.

    Wasn't all that long ago one had to pay more than this for a square 1.5X crop frame 16 meg MFD back that gave you any ISO as long as it was 100

    People may poo-poo certain features, but given the choice of something like weather proofing who wouldn't take it? Take your $10K Pentax out in the snow storm, or your $40K Hassey/Phase One and a garbage bag ...

    Lenses ... lacking in some areas obviously, but so are those from other film based MFD systems that people have to pay to keep upgrading. Hassey has replaced the HC 50mm, 120mm and 150mm which isn't chump change to do for some incremental improvement. Plus, I'd bet some enterprising person will eventually write corrective profiles for some of the Pentax optics to use in Lightroom.

    The camera is young and as it finds its way into more and more hands and people share their experiences and techniques for processing it will come into its own. This is exactly what happened with the Leica S2 ... lacking at first glance, but it slowly advanced and people got better with it as they learned the characteristics and shared their information.

    Congratulations! Best of luck, and good shooting to all Pentax 645D users ... you may turn out to be the smartest bunch in the MFD crowd

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    Re: Fun with the 645D

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    coming from a professional phtographer, meaning you my friend, thanks for supporting us 645d shooters, i have always valued your opinion as you have been in the MF game a long time..

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    Marc, Extremely well put! In the beginning I did express some reservation regarding the lens situation as being sort of a crap shoot in trying to find samples that brought justice to the performance of 645D body, which was never in question as to just how good it could be. This is especially true to the value it offers at its price point. As more and more lenses were tested and good samples were found, combined with careful adjustment of the 645D AF fine tuning with these "good samples", it became readily apparent what the system had to offer. Sure, it was a pain to find these particular samples but with a bit of hair pulling and extra time spent out in the field repeatedly testing them, I then had no hesitation to say that it is a very competent system that can hold its own against similar spec'd MFD systems offered by others. Yes, not all lenses may have the resolution numbers (especially across the frame) that some Zeiss, Leica and others may have, nor always the ability to shoot them at more open apertures for critical or serious applications that require them...but on the other hand, the large assortment of excellent performing lenses of varied and useful focal lengths, including two LS lenses, certaintly adds great versitility to the Pentax system. This is especially true when considering the reasonable costs of many of these lenses.

    In Photoshop CS5, lens profiles already exist for many of the Pentax FA af 645 lenses.

    Your words "above" succinctly and eloquently expressed the value of going this route, which affords many the opportunity to enter the MFD arena where expenditures may be a very substantial and often limiting part of the equation. Thanks!

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