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    Question Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Seems my copy is doing not too bad at the extremes.
    Anything in the middle - hmmm not so sure

    But it's a fun lens for sure and I love the way it produces wonderful close-ups.
    Here are a few from Saturday morning in the park.




    below: in-camera jpg colour rendering

    below: c1 pef colour rendering






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    Knorp: That's really good stuff... would have been even nicer if you had been able to list the focal lengths employed with these images. I have a 16-50 coming...I hope it works as well as what I see here...(there's all those negative comments/returned items, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by benroy View Post
    Knorp: That's really good stuff... would have been even nicer if you had been able to list the focal lengths employed with these images. I have a 16-50 coming...I hope it works as well as what I see here...(there's all those negative comments/returned items, etc.)

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    Roy,

    really the focal length is in the EXIF !
    But here you go: first two at 50mm and the last four at 16mm.
    As I said in my copy the extremes 16 and 50 are fine.

    Well mechanical failures are just very unfortunate, but optical defects or design shortcomings is something quite different.
    Keep my fingers crossed for you.

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    Good morning, Bart. I picked up a 16-50 yesterday and posted some sample pics and observations on the "fun with K-5" thread...should have gone here...sorry.

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    Re: 16-50 at wide angle focal lengths: years ago I made a good living off of the Leica and Zeiss 21s (Super Angulons) and the Super-Wide...this lens won't cut it for the professional requiring edge to edge sharpness, straight lines...but for an old fart like myself, just wandering around the neighborhood...it's OK. Here's a set taken from my driveway...16-20-28-35...
    all at about f/8 @ 400. Full image, minimal sharpening via Photoshop and no correcting of distortion at the edges....in other words, just like everything else that I shoot on the Dawn Patrol.

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    But here you go: first two at 50mm and the last four at 16mm.
    As I said in my copy the extremes 16 and 50 are fine.
    Lovely shots Bart and Roy.
    That's what I found - repeatedly (i've actually had 5 copies of this lens). Just when you think it's safe to go outside it really screws up on you again

    On the other hand, the humble 18-135 seems to me to be a much better lens from practical terms - i.e. it works at the focal lengths one tends to use it for. In fact, at 24mm (35 equivalent) and by f5.6 it seems to me to be as good as the fuji lens (go figure).

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Here's where the wide focal lengths really shine...close up...I had better luck with the 16-50 on these pics than I did with the 31FA and 35 macro...probably just an unskilled photographer, but it does give one pause to consider...curvature of field vs flat field?

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    Quote Originally Posted by benroy View Post
    Re: 16-50 at wide angle focal lengths: years ago I made a good living off of the Leica and Zeiss 21s (Super Angulons) and the Super-Wide...this lens won't cut it for the professional requiring edge to edge sharpness, straight lines...but for an old fart like myself, just wandering around the neighborhood...it's OK. Here's a set taken from my driveway...16-20-28-35...
    all at about f/8 @ 400. Full image, minimal sharpening via Photoshop and no correcting of distortion at the edges....in other words, just like everything else that I shoot on the Dawn Patrol.

    Roy Benson
    Nothing wrong with that Dawn Patrol, Roy.
    I agree the DA*16-50 is not a great lens and yes, perhaps, it's not as versatile as the 18-135, but if you stop looking in corners it's a nice walk-around lens IMO.
    Well I am a not-so-old fart, but nevertheless I really like the DA*16-50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benroy View Post
    Here's where the wide focal lengths really shine...close up...I had better luck with the 16-50 on these pics than I did with the 31FA and 35 macro...probably just an unskilled photographer, but it does give one pause to consider...curvature of field vs flat field?

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    Roy, these samples look really good.
    Another thing to take in consideration is the DOF.
    Shooting fast lenses wide open, speaking 50/0.95 here, could be quite a challenge.
    And because of the narrow DOF, it's likely you perceive such a picture as unsharp.
    So have another go with your 35 macro, I'm sure you'll get the hang of it.

    All the very best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    That's what I found - repeatedly (i've actually had 5 copies of this lens). Just when you think it's safe to go outside it really screws up on you again
    5 copies ? You're just sooooo picky ....


    Seriously, I'm sorry about your misfortune with this lens, Jono.
    Nobody could say you didn't give it a fair change, though.

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Out with the 16-50 in the rain-soaked garden:

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    5 copies ? You're just sooooo picky ....


    Seriously, I'm sorry about your misfortune with this lens, Jono.
    Nobody could say you didn't give it a fair change, though.

    All the very best.
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    1 with the K7 last summer (whole lot went back)

    2 in the autumn - neither any good

    1 about 6 weeks ago - fab but the motor went

    number 5 - no good

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    (Looks at samples)
    (Looks at Jono's comments)
    (Looks at samples)
    (Looks at Jono's comments)

    Jono, what are you doing to your copies? :-)*

    hehe

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    *- it was already explained that your good luck with the Sigmas had to be transferred in bad luck somewhere else… poor 16-50….

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Quote Originally Posted by benroy View Post
    Here's where the wide focal lengths really shine...close up...I had better luck with the 16-50 on these pics than I did with the 31FA and 35 macro...probably just an unskilled photographer, but it does give one pause to consider...curvature of field vs flat field?

    Roy Benson
    Those are lovely Roy. I think you've hit the nail on the head - curvature of field is a real issue - of course, it sometimes comes out in one's favour (at least if it's concave).

    Ricardo -

    Each of mine were okay lots of the time, but seemed to fall down badly in the middle of the range (between 20 and 25mm actual) with wierd lop sided unsharp areas, which didn't improve at smaller apertures.

    The 18-135 isn't as good a lens generally (how should it be), but it's excellent at the wider end (18-25) especially if you stop down a bit. More to the point it's consistent, I know that it's soft at the edges at 135mm, and take that into account.

    I'd really like to try again, but it's such a mission, and Warehouseexpress are getting a bit hacked off with me taking them back!

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Well my copy still lasts ...









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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Bart: I love tree shots...your picture sure fills the bill. My 16-50 hasn't been a disappointment either...yet...here are some examples:

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Could I really have been unlucky 5 TIMES (or did they just sell me the same lens over and over again!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Could I really have been unlucky 5 TIMES (or did they just sell me the same lens over and over again!).
    Jono, I really don't think so because I do believe that this lens has its flaws.
    Perhaps my expectations aren't just that high, one reason why I'm avoiding brick walls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Jono, I really don't think so because I do believe that this lens has its flaws.
    Perhaps my expectations aren't just that high, one reason why I'm avoiding brick walls

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    Oh Bart
    I never reject a lens just on brick walls, and my last 16-50 did well on the brick wall test (much better than the 18-135). But it let me down badly on foliage at around 35mm and f5.6 - that's not controversial ground, it really should work there. A series of shots taken at about 10 metres, which were sharp in the middle and impossibly soft half way to the edge (on the same focal plane).

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    I took the 16-50 to the train station and shot around the locomotive, caboose, and dining cars...Not shooting for record, but for design and color, so I'll admit that edges may be soft... but watch those yellow handle bars.

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Very nice captures Roy......

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    Thanks, Rich, for the kind comments.

    More train station stuff with the 16-50: lot of fun taking the pictures (had a great time with the yellow handle bars), but no fun straightening the lines of all of them in Photoshop...that was a job!

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Quote Originally Posted by benroy View Post
    Thanks, Rich, for the kind comments.

    More train station stuff with the 16-50: lot of fun taking the pictures (had a great time with the yellow handle bars), but no fun straightening the lines of all of them in Photoshop...that was a job!

    Roy Benson
    Very nice Roy - although some of those yellow handle bars still seem to be bent

    Distortion was not something which worried me about it to be honest, the problem was the edges and corners.

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    Roy,

    Nice shots and a real change from your normal venue.

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    Thanks, Jono and Jim. I agree...16-50 is weak on the edges and corners...you can see that in these pics...but the lens sure does cover the territory...the second picture in the second set (rear end of the caboose) reveals this shortcoming in a strange way...image gets softer as it goes to the left, but the right hand edge seems to hold its own. I think this is the problem you ran into, Jono, with your set of 16-50s.

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Quote Originally Posted by benroy View Post
    Thanks, Jono and Jim. I agree...16-50 is weak on the edges and corners...you can see that in these pics...but the lens sure does cover the territory...the second picture in the second set (rear end of the caboose) reveals this shortcoming in a strange way...image gets softer as it goes to the left, but the right hand edge seems to hold its own. I think this is the problem you ran into, Jono, with your set of 16-50s.

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    HI Roy
    That was it - Pentax seem to be experts at making de-centred lenses, but my 16-50 really did seem the worst. But it was very odd, as sometimes it was fine, and sometimes it was so bad as to be almost unusable - I never really managed to reproduce the difficulty consistently, but it was dreadfully apparent in some shots.

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    The question that lurks behind the posting of each 16-50 image: would I use this lens on a professional assignment or for publication? My answer: NO...I would trot out the Zeiss or Leica lenses...lenses that I would have confidence in providing edge to edge, corner to corner sharpness...but...nonetheless, it sure is fun using the 16-50, and for 72 dpi internet pics, I'm satisfied with the lens...but for pay, out comes the SuperWide, Biogons, and Super Angulons.

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    I tried to demonstrate this in earlier postings...that the 16-50 is much better close up...here are more examples of this from the locomotive's working parts:

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    Hi there Roy,

    I enjoyed your locomotive series and the close-ups are marvelous.
    Still believing the 16-50 is fun !

    All the best.
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    Some shots from 'Day of the Park' last Sunday.
    All sorts of craftsmen showing of their skills.






    (bee keeper)


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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    HI Bart
    Great Stuff
    Looks like just what the lens IS good for - rather than what I wanted to use it for. Probably designed that way too I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Bart
    Great Stuff
    Looks like just what the lens IS good for - rather than what I wanted to use it for. Probably designed that way too I guess.

    all the best
    Hi there Jono,

    well it's not so strange as it might look like, because after all - let's face it: you're spoiled
    Yes that's right, you're spoiled by some pretty impressive Leica glass
    But you already knew that of course.

    And I think, if I understand you correctly, you're spot-on regarding the 16-50 being an all-round street lens.
    It's perhaps not great, but it is certainly nice.
    Albeit rather huge ...

    Thank you & kind regards.
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    Bart: really fine "craftsman candids"...just what this lens is perfect for...pictures have an almost 3 dimensional quality...looks like the people (and sheep) are going to step right out of the picture...that sheep shearing shot is great.

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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Seems my copy is doing not too bad at the extremes.
    Anything in the middle - hmmm not so sure

    But it's a fun lens for sure and I love the way it produces wonderful close-ups.
    Here are a few from Saturday morning in the park.
    I had problems with the AF on my 18-135 on all lengths except the extremes (18 and 135). It wasn't a problem that the focus was off. the lens would just not auto focus at all. This would happen from time to time and I was never able to determine the conditions that the 18-135 would refuse to AF when not @18 or 135.
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    From a while back somewhere in Amsterdam.





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    Bart: I've been fooling around with Leica R lenses lately, but looking at these pics has me itching for another dawn patrol with the 16-50...the 16-50 has something magical about the way it takes in space....almost 3-D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benroy View Post
    Bart: I've been fooling around with Leica R lenses lately, but looking at these pics has me itching for another dawn patrol with the 16-50...the 16-50 has something magical about the way it takes in space....almost 3-D.

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    I'd love to see the results of your "fooling around", Roy !
    What lenses were you trying ?

    All the very best.
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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    I've not used the DA* 16-50 much since I bought it several weeks ago so yesterday a friend and I decided to spend the day driving through several small Texas towns to see what we could find to photograph. Below are a few from that day spent in 102 degree Texas heat.








    PS.. not a single mirror-flop during the entire day because I was using a half-discharged battery. Pretty much rules out the thought that heat might have something to do with the problem.
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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    Hi Jim -
    The piano and lanterns/lights are my two favorite. Good to hear that you are closer to completely isolating the issue. Have you seen any new reports from someone having the same problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Hi Jim -
    The piano and lanterns/lights are my two favorite. Good to hear that you are closer to completely isolating the issue. Have you seen any new reports from someone having the same problem?
    Yes, numerous PMs and quite a few on various forums... seems it not isolated to the K5 but also the K-r.

    Love the camera.. just need to get this one issue fixed and it will be fine. Can't see sending it in before the SF trip though.
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    Re: Fun with DA*16-50 [for as long as it last]

    All good shots but I really like the piano.

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    Really good stuff with the 16-50, Jim. I think my closeups with the lens are better than my long distance (landscape) images....and your piano and lanterns pics kind of back that up...a really fun lens...kind of on the big and cumbersome side, but it grows on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Hi Jim -
    The piano and lanterns/lights are my two favorite.
    +1 These are excellent, Jim. The lanterns pop out of my screen !

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    Out on dawn patrol with dog and 16-50...85 degrees at 7:30 AM and the gnats are vicious...but some interesting pics despite all of this. Still maintain that this lens excels at close-up stuff and then begins to soften a bit as it moves toward infinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benroy View Post
    Out on dawn patrol with dog and 16-50...85 degrees at 7:30 AM and the gnats are vicious...but some interesting pics despite all of this. Still maintain that this lens excels at close-up stuff and then begins to soften a bit as it moves toward infinity.

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    Hi there Roy,

    those temperatures together with gnats seem like a bad recipe to me.
    But your pics are fine, though.
    You could be very well right about the lens producing sharper images up close.
    I'll have to look into that one day.

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    As traffic is slow these days, let's post some from the beach at Scheveningen.
    Although the weather was fine, the wind was quite fierce.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    As traffic is slow these days, let's post some from the beach at Scheveningen.
    Although the weather was fine, the wind was quite fierce.







    Great set. From my first scan with my bleary optic, I likes the last two best
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidL View Post
    Great set. From my first scan with my bleary optic, I likes the last two best
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    Hi David,

    Why the bleary optic ? What's wrong then ?

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    Some more at the beach from last Sunday.







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    Some more for your entertainment, then I'll quit ... promised







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