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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

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    I................ If I hadn't sold all of my Pentax manual focus M-series lenses 20+ years ago, I might have been tempted to buy a K-1 too.

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    I never sold mine (easy to buy, harder to sell). I'm anxious to see how one of my favorites, the 20mm M, and the older M42 8-element f/1.4 Super Takumar do with the K-1. I had some other favorites, but they were stolen. I was planning on buying a Sony for an easy-to-transport body, but I think I'll change my mind.

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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    I'm happy for all pentaxians with this K-1 release, this is excellent news for them. Unfortunately, my hopes of the best to date OVF were crushed with its x0.70 magnification. That dome is just for show?

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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Malina DZ View Post
    I'm happy for all pentaxians with this K-1 release, this is excellent news for them. Unfortunately, my hopes of the best to date OVF were crushed with its x0.70 magnification. That dome is just for show?
    Interesting point....I hadn't thought of that. I didn't know much about relative differences between viewfinder magnifications, so I just did a little reading about them. What viewfinder magnifications of film or digital SLRs would you think are "best in class"? About the highest I've seen for a full frame DSLR is ~0.76x. I guess viewfinder coverage also needs to be taken into account. It gets confusing.

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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tsjanik View Post
    Gary:

    I never sold mine (easy to buy, harder to sell). I'm anxious to see how one of my favorites, the 20mm M, and the older M42 8-element f/1.4 Super Takumar do with the K-1. I had some other favorites, but they were stolen. I was planning on buying a Sony for an easy-to-transport body, but I think I'll change my mind.
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    I hear you Tom, but....

    As a long time Pentax owner, first with 35mm then medium format, both 6x7 and 645, it's tempting. However, I already have too many camera systems of all formats. If I still had some Pentax manual focus lenses, I would be tempted, just as I was re my Nikon MF lenses which ultimately led me to buy a used Nikon D2x. Despite the fact that I was already heavily invested in Canon DSLRs and lenses. Swore I would only use the D2x for my Nikon AIS lenses and not buy any other Nikon DSLRs or AF lenses for it. That didn't last long. One thing led to another...now I have more Nikon/Canon DSLRs and AF lenses for both systems than I can ever use. Nope, I MUST and WILL resist the Pentax. As good as it might be, it's not a MUST HAVE camera for me. My 645D will suffice.

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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Adorama has their preorder page up
    www.adorama.com/IPXK1.html

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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Honestly, this is one of the best spec'ed DSLR cameras I've read about yet.

    $1,800 for a full frame 36 meg DSLR with all these included features and new innovations? Are you kidding me? Best deal ever! Makes Canon and Nikon look slow-witted and greedy (just kidding).

    I always liked Pentax ... now here is something to love about them.

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    The K1 is really impressive, especially from the price point. If I would start from scratch into digital FF this would be the camera/system of my choice.

    Also some of the new lens offerings look tempting, like the 2.8/15-30, which I already admire from Tamron

    Plus it shoots my favorite RAW - DNG format. Always loved the output of my K5II ....

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    If I was into bigger cameras and DSLR's at this point in my life- this is the camera I would be getting. I bet the ergonomics and extremely well thought out interface of this camera will spank more than half the market of UI's around.

    And dpreview nailed in their first impressions just what's wrong with Olympus current UI when talking about the K-1:

    "This isn't a camera with duplicative or redundant controls, it isn't customizable to the extent that only the person configuring it knows how it works: it's a photographic tool that anyone who's ever loved a DSLR can pick up and start shooting with”"

    Olympus should read that quote over and over again until they can make a UI that can do this.

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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    If I was into bigger cameras and DSLR's at this point in my life- this is the camera I would be getting. I bet the ergonomics and extremely well thought out interface of this camera will spank more than half the market of UI's around.

    And dpreview nailed in their first impressions just what's wrong with Olympus current UI when talking about the K-1:

    "This isn't a camera with duplicative or redundant controls, it isn't customizable to the extent that only the person configuring it knows how it works: it's a photographic tool that anyone who's ever loved a DSLR can pick up and start shooting with”"

    Olympus should read that quote over and over again until they can make a UI that can do this.

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    I have to agree 500%

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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Malina DZ View Post
    I'm happy for all pentaxians with this K-1 release, this is excellent news for them. Unfortunately, my hopes of the best to date OVF were crushed with its x0.70 magnification. That dome is just for show?
    That dome is not for show ... It is the housing of the prism + GPS antenna. The Pentax cameras astrotrack without additional gear and have very good GPS units.
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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Great camera specs, including IBIS. But very late to market!
    Is there a single compelling lens justifying to buy this camera?
    If yes, which lens is it? And for which purpose?

    Other than that I have moved on to mirrorless, Leica, Sony and Olympus.
    Still using D800E occasionally with primarily the AF-S 80-400/4.5-5.6 lens.
    Manual focus only Nikkor lenses I prefer using on my A7r2.
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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Great camera specs, including IBIS. But very late to market!
    Is there a single compelling lens justifying to buy this camera?
    If yes, which lens is it? And for which purpose?
    A single compelling lens ? Not a single but few. I invite you to google those references to see how darn good and unique are those lenses :

    Zeiss distagon 21mm in K mount...
    FA 31mm f1.8 Limited
    FA 43mm f1.9 Limited (was also in leica mount because leicaists love it).
    FA 77mm f1.8 Limited
    DA* 300mm f4

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    HD Pentax-D FA 15-30mm F2.8 ED SDM WR
    HD Pentax-D FA 24-70mm F2.8 ED SDM WR
    HD Pentax-D FA* 70-200mm F2.8 ED DC AW

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    80 years of legacy glass.

    I think it is pretty much covered without speaking of the ongoing development. For sure Pentax is working on a DFA f1.4 line of prime or new limited.
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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    A single compelling lens ? Not a single but few. I invite you to google those references to see how darn good and unique are those lenses :

    Zeiss distagon 21mm in K mount...
    FA 31mm f1.8 Limited
    FA 43mm f1.9 Limited (was also in leica mount because leicaists love it).
    FA 77mm f1.8 Limited
    DA* 300mm f4

    +

    HD Pentax-D FA 15-30mm F2.8 ED SDM WR
    HD Pentax-D FA 24-70mm F2.8 ED SDM WR
    HD Pentax-D FA* 70-200mm F2.8 ED DC AW

    +

    80 years of legacy glass.

    I think it is pretty much covered without speaking of the ongoing development. For sure Pentax is working on a DFA f1.4 line of prime or new limited.
    It will be very interesting to see how the 31 and 77mm lenses handle 36mpx.
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    It will be very interesting to see how the 31 and 77mm lenses handle 36mpx.
    I see from here a horde of Pentaxians who already pulled the trigger on pre-order. We just have to wait and see but Pentaxians aren't that much into MTF charts, more into the rendering.

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    It's important also to remember that Pentax used to make some pretty decent high-end glass back in the day. How about a 600mm f/4?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pentax-SMCP-...4AAOSwrklU~TkH

    Or an 85mm f/1.4?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/smc-PENTAX-F...kAAOSwpzdWtTmE

    It remains to be seen how well those lenses will perform on the K-1, but if the tooling and in-house expertise still exist, I wouldn't be surprised if upgraded versions of some of the old lenses may re-appear.
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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Great camera specs, including IBIS. But very late to market!
    Is there a single compelling lens justifying to buy this camera?
    Nostalgia. ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    It's important also to remember that Pentax used to make some pretty decent high-end glass back in the day. How about a 600mm f/4?

    Pentax SMCP FA 600mm F 4 If Ed Lens PE5030004 | eBay

    Or an 85mm f/1.4?

    SMC Pentax FA 85mm F 1 4 If Excellent | eBay

    It remains to be seen how well those lenses will perform on the K-1, but if the tooling and in-house expertise still exist, I wouldn't be surprised if upgraded versions of some of the old lenses may re-appear.
    Yea, without speaking about the other forgotten lenses around there. What wow me is the respect of the brand toward the user base. We do not see that with Nikon, or Canon. Ricoh is such a big group that they would have simply priced this tool at 2,5K but they didn't. Their is a family spirit in the Pentax world. One can feel this climate and I personally like it, very. This is a very good thing for photography and also forums will revive a bit.

    It is just less cold or about money. It is also younger and this is very welcome.
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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    k-hawinkler wrote:

    Is there a single compelling lens justifying to buy this camera?
    Yes: FA 43/1.9

    Damn; I have just reconfirmed my significant investment in µ4/3rds, with the E-M5 Mk II.

    But this FF body, by Pentax, no less (my first money-earning camera was a Spotmatic) is very tempting. Let's see what the price in Australia is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Nostalgia. ?
    Thanks Vivek. No, not really. I have never owned any Pentax gear.

    I already have 4 systems with lots of lenses for each, 3 FF and 1 MFT.
    Typically I have several cameras per system, except for Leica I have one, an M9.

    So I am not really interested in building a full complement Pentax FF system.
    But I would not be absolutely dead set against investing in my further education with the K1 and one new exceptional lens. I am curious about the K1's user interface and IBIS. A really outstanding FF Pentax prime lens would be essential for me as in the end the image quality is the final arbiter. I already have many legacy lenses of Leica M and R and Nikon F type, so don't feel the desire to add yet another type of legacy lenses.

    Maybe it's best to rent a K1 with a lens for a week when available. But which lens? Some sort of tele for birding might fit the bill.
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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Nostalgia. ?
    No, no... this is a modern camera. It even has inferior battery life, probably to make life easier for those who convert from mirrorless

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    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    k-hawinkler wrote:



    Yes: FA 43/1.9

    Damn; I have just reconfirmed my significant investment in µ4/3rds, with the E-M5 Mk II.

    But this FF body, by Pentax, no less (my first money-earning camera was a Spotmatic) is very tempting. Let's see what the price in Australia is.

    Thanks Kit.
    Could you please elaborate what makes the FA 43/1.9 so special? TIA.
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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    No, no... this is a modern camera. It even has inferior battery life, probably to make life easier for those who convert from mirrorless
    About 10-15 years behind (it is a DSLR!) and that makes it an antique in the current photography scene. None of you vociferous admirers are going to buy one. It is just a topic for

    Me: I am with the future and none includes a hybrid camera like a DSLR.

    FWIW: Check out the discussion (dprevs) on the new Canon 80D. It is better off in liveview and without the use of the AF module (mirror associated thingy).
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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Thanks Vivek. No, not really. I have never owned any Pentax gear.

    I already have 4 systems with lots of lenses for each, 3 FF and 1 MFT.
    Typically I have several cameras per system, except for Leica I have one, an M9.

    So I am not really interested in building a full complement Pentax FF system.
    But I would not be absolutely dead set against investing in my further education with the K1 and one new exceptional lens. I am curious about the K1's user interface and IBIS. A really outstanding FF Pentax prime lens would be essential for me as in the end the image quality is the final arbiter. I already have many legacy lenses of Leica M and R and Nikon F type, so don't feel the desire to add yet another type of legacy lenses.

    Maybe it's best to rent a K1 with a lens for a week when available. But which lens? Some sort of tele for birding might fit the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post

    Maybe it's best to rent a K1 with a lens for a week when available. But which lens? Some sort of tele for birding might fit the bill.
    Just try the new zoom lenses like the 70-200 or DFA 150-450mm F4.5-5.6ED DC AW OR the 300 f4. With some home work and investigations you'll see how much lenses can be plugged on this body. Pentax is also known for making tremendous pancakes so we might see some FF pancakes soon (f2.5 / f3.2).






    I'm an older Pentaxian and I can say that the 300 f4 is a jewel on APS-C. Very beautiful lense. I might have some examples if needed.

    This DSLR is a midget : (image courtesy of DPreview).



    Also some lenses :

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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    that 15-30mm looks too much like the tamron to not think it may be a rebranded lens. but that's no bad thing, it means no risk of minor bugs.

    looks like my time with A7r may be over. cant believe there is now a spiritual sucessor to the dpXm series with A7r sensor. let's just hope it doesnt take 30 minutes to process the data before i can take the next shot, lol.
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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    A7r : Plastic mount + shutter shock = No need for an AA filter.

    K1: Deliberate sensor shake to mitigate moire = No AA filter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UHDR View Post
    that 15-30mm looks too much like the tamron to not think it may be a rebranded lens. but that's no bad thing, it means no risk of minor bugs.

    looks like my time with A7r may be over. cant believe there is now a spiritual sucessor to the dpXm series with A7r sensor. let's just hope it doesnt take 30 minutes to process the data before i can take the next shot, lol.
    Ho yea, about the last zooms :

    Only the 70-200 DA* is Pentax engineering; it is also the only new zoom to be Weather sealed (the star in DA* mean weather sealed). The new zooms even the 24-70 are made by Tamron for Ricoh and there are not bad at all.

    I think it was the Ricoh strategy to bring on the market a full "full frame" solution all in the same time. Not like other wannabe brands who launch a concept and the lenses 2 years after.

    It is 90% sure Pentax is now working on high end DA* zooms or primes and exotic lenses, as usual. They have plenty of time to do it and users won't rush them.
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    Thanks Hulyss. In the US:

    Olympus MFT 300/4 $2500,
    Nikkor FX AF-S 80-400/4.5-5.6 $2300,
    Nikkor FX AF-S 300/4E PF $2000,
    Pentax FF 150-450/4.5-5.6 $1700,
    Nikkor FX 200-500/5.6E $1400.

    Hmm.
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    Is the K-1 the best-stabilised 35mm-sensored DSLR ?

    If so ... I expect Sony to honour some behind the scenes deal and give Pentax the agree time to sell before Sony brings out a similarly stabilised DSLST

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    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Thanks Hulyss. In the US:

    Olympus MFT 300/4 $2500,
    Nikkor FX AF-S 80-400/4.5-5.6 $2300,
    Pentax FF 150-450/4.5-5.6 $1700,
    Nikkor FX 200-500/5.6E $1400.

    Hmm.
    Pentax SMCP-DA* 300mm f/4 ED (IF) SDM (Imho a better lense than the Nikon PF...) = 853.59 US$

    Pentax smc Pentax-D FA 100mm f/2.8 WR Macro (outstanding macro lense, weather sealed) = 384.99 US$

    Those lenses are solid metal lenses. There is even a rubber gasket at the end of the lens hoods to avoid scratch on the lens hood and also to put the lenses on the floor when working.

    In addition to my previous posts : WR and DA* mean weather sealed. Pentax have a tendency to have very complex lens naming

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulfric Douglas View Post
    Is the K-1 the best-stabilised 35mm-sensored DSLR ?

    If so ... I expect Sony to honour some behind the scenes deal and give Pentax the agree time to sell before Sony brings out a similarly stabilised DSLST
    Personally Sony stopped to make proper DSLR after the a850 /a900. This SLT venture was and is DoA big time this is why they ignore alpha mount users and try to push them into E mount. If Sony bring out an Alpha SLT tomorrow with the same or more specs it won't cut Pentax sales. Simply because Pentax camera are just superior in build and Pentax do not have a traitor reputation. Pentax have a limited but extremely good reputation.

    I don't think there is "behind the scene deals" between Ricoh and Sony. Ricoh have nothing to envies to Sony or other big guys in photo industry. Ricoh is a HUGE company. I think that if Ricoh want to do something they just do it.

    They decided to finance Pentax for the K1 and IMHO it is and it will be a real success.
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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    What viewfinder magnifications of film or digital SLRs would you think are "best in class"? About the highest I've seen for a full frame DSLR is ~0.76x.
    I consider Sony a850/a900 with x0.74 magnification OVF to be one of the best and expected K-1 to be no less than that. Canon 6D has x0.71 mag. OVF, and there is a noticeable difference in brightness and clarity when looking through these OVFs. It's not only the magnification by itself that is responsible for viewing properties, but it'd have been great to be offered an OVF with improved properties such as x0.76 => magnification.
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    I just want to say that you can put together a full Pentax 645z + K-1 + a few lenses for less the price of 1 SL and 1 variable aperture lens.... Hell yes Pentax! I'll wait until the early adopters work out the bugs then I'll pick one up plus the 31, 43, and 77.

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    I think all this OVF magnification debate is pretty useless, as it is not only magnification nut also how clear one can see the image. The Sony A900 has a superb OVF and I really liked it but I am confident that the 0.7 magnification OVF of the K1 in combination with great optics (great clarity) will be not bad at all - definitely better than the Canon 6D OVF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedgraphic View Post
    I just want to say that you can put together a full Pentax 645z + K-1 + a few lenses for less the price of 1 SL and 1 variable aperture lens.... Hell yes Pentax! I'll wait until the early adopters work out the bugs then I'll pick one up plus the 31, 43, and 77.
    I hope for Pentax useres that the new lenses are more consistent quality than lets say the 16-50/2.8DA or the 55-135/2.8. When I had the K5IIS and K3 I wished Pentax had a midrange-zoom wich offered anything near the quality of a Leica 24-90, so I think it would not be fair to compare that Leica Zoom with the Pentax midrange Zooms.
    In case of the 31 and 43 I think its great how small they are, and they can render very nice, even though the 31 on a digital sensor can often lead to CA. I would choose carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    I hope for Pentax useres that the new lenses are more consistent quality than lets say the 16-50/2.8DA or the 55-135/2.8. When I had the K5IIS and K3 I wished Pentax had a midrange-zoom wich offered anything near the quality of a Leica 24-90, so I think it would not be fair to compare that Leica Zoom with the Pentax midrange Zooms.
    In case of the 31 and 43 I think its great how small they are, and they can render very nice, even though the 31 on a digital sensor can often lead to CA. I would choose carefully.
    True about the Pentax APS-C zooms. They did what they could in the Hoya days. Though I would bet if someone compared the rebranded Pentax/Tamron 24-70/2.8 against the Leica zoom they'd be surprised at how well the Tamron performs. Probably wouldn't be better than the Leica, but not much worse either. The 31/43/77 are all lenses with lots of character. They're not Otus corrected for sure, but CA is a non-issue. One click in LR and it's gone, who cares? And for sure updates are right around the corner. But you're forgetting that my point was that for the money you also have a MFD camera and access to the world class D-FA 645 lenses. So....I think my original point still holds water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedgraphic View Post
    True about the Pentax APS-C zooms. They did what they could in the Hoya days. Though I would bet if someone compared the rebranded Pentax/Tamron 24-70/2.8 against the Leica zoom they'd be surprised at how well the Tamron performs. Probably wouldn't be better than the Leica, but not much worse either. The 31/43/77 are all lenses with lots of character. They're not Otus corrected for sure, but CA is a non-issue. One click in LR and it's gone, who cares? And for sure updates are right around the corner. But you're forgetting that my point was that for the money you also have a MFD camera and access to the world class D-FA 645 lenses. So....I think my original point still holds water.
    For the same money you could even buy a used car and a large format camera and a scanner.

    I guess the SL is mostly interesting for people who also own other Leica lenses as well (M,R,S) or willing to pay a higher price for the last little bit of lens quality. I dont doubt the Pentax/Tamron to be a great lens but I do doubt that it is up to the Leica SL Zoom in optical quality and in build quality. I would see the Pentax more in competition with Canon and Nikon DSLRs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    PPl I know in US are not starving but fight everyday with the smile to keep the ball rolling. Buying into 4K display solution is probably the least of their problems Like in Europe. We all fight the crisis and this year will be even more grey than the last year. So I would like to say that your numbers sound "extremely optimistic", dear Charles
    Here are a few links that substantiate my numbers. The transition in NA, China/Asia from HD to UHD is happening much faster than the initial transition from analog to digital television. Bluray UHD standards have already been defined with players coming in a few months.

    http://4k.com/news/4k-tv-sales-to-su...-by-2018-5948/

    http://press.ihs.com/press-release/t...ts-slow-ihs-sa

    http://www.ooyala.com/videomind/blog...400-yy-q1-2015

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    Impressive camera by Pentax! They've really packed in the features at a low price. It's quite a beast though, sitting at over 1kg. And that 15-30/2.8 is over 1kg too.

    Despite the appeal of those two, I'll have to stick with my A7 + 16-35/4 that is <1kg combined. Always good to have some strong competition though! I'd love Sony to add some of these features like the Astrotracer (so cool!).

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    @ k-hawinkler:

    Only what I have read; the 'Limiteds" (31, 43, and 77, IIRC) have been praised by many.

    For me personally, the 45mm FOV is the best of the 'all-purpose' focal lengths, so 43 is close enough. And it's a pancake, pretty much (will sit more shallowly than the leading edge of the grip); not sure about with the hood on.

    Re. OVFs: who can remember what the OM1 and OM2 were in daily use? Spectacular, and immersive, is what I recall. And this new Pentax has 100%.

    The only downside for me is that the K1 does not have a silent mode; this will likely be a sticking point for me. I have found the completely silent µ4/3rds bodies have let me work in many places a camera with any kind of shutter souund would have not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    @ k-hawinkler:

    Only what I have read; the 'Limiteds" (31, 43, and 77, IIRC) have been praised by many.

    For me personally, the 45mm FOV is the best of the 'all-purpose' focal lengths, so 43 is close enough. And it's a pancake, pretty much (will sit more shallowly than the leading edge of the grip); not sure about with the hood on.

    Re. OVFs: who can remember what the OM1 and OM2 were in daily use? Spectacular, and immersive, is what I recall. And this new Pentax has 100%.

    The only downside for me is that the K1 does not have a silent mode; this will likely be a sticking point for me. I have found the completely silent µ4/3rds bodies have let me work in many places a camera with any kind of shutter souund would have not.

    Many thanks Kit. Much apprecited.
    I like using the silent shutter on my µ4/3rds bodies as well.
    After just a couple of minutes our grandchildren are ignoring the camera.
    BTW, I used the Nocticron at f/1.2 in bright daylight. No problem.
    A shutter speed of 16000 makes that possible without a neutral density filter.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Re. OVFs: who can remember what the OM1 and OM2 were in daily use? Spectacular, and immersive, is what I recall. And this new Pentax has 100%.
    While the OM-1 viewfinder was indeed enormous at 0.92x magnification, it wasn't very bright, and I must admit that I'm somewhat disappointed every time I look through it these days. I have a feeling that around 0.75x, that was achieved by Sony with the A900 and Canon with the later 1D models is a good compromise. 0.7x is on the low side, but Nikon isn't much larger. It's not something that would keep me awake at night.

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    I spent abit of time reading more about the sensor shift tech in pentax. it turns out, the K3II already have some of this tech. The Pixel Shift Resolution mode creates 100 MB files, so i wonder how big the 36MP files are!!


    I came across this taiwanese site and it does have some interesting comparison between normal shot and noise reduction/detail enhancement. please be aware, this link may not be 100% safe for your workplace (got some models in it)
    http://www.mobile01.com/newsdetail.php?id=17388

    while it is clear the fine details are much better with the tech turned on, but it does lack the bite of a feveon merrill file. may be it's down to the lens. more research required!
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    I am not very interested in any of these high res shoot modes, not from The Pentax K1 nor from any of the Olympus cameras (I think EM5II and PenF).

    If I really would want higher resolution I would go for another camera, giving me that resolution natively - but maybe that's only me
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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    While the OM-1 viewfinder was indeed enormous at 0.92x magnification, it wasn't very bright, and I must admit that I'm somewhat disappointed every time I look through it these days. I have a feeling that around 0.75x, that was achieved by Sony with the A900 and Canon with the later 1D models is a good compromise. 0.7x is on the low side, but Nikon isn't much larger. It's not something that would keep me awake at night.
    I must agree WRT OM-1 and OM-2 (which has the same OVF) - they are big, but not very bright, actually producing a pretty "grainy" image. One of the best OVFs was the one in the Leica SL2, followed by the Contax RTSIII and the Sony A900 - these are (were) really TOP! Everything else is just not the same quality and in many cases will likely be soon outperformed by good EVFs (aka Leica SL) and maybe hopefully Olympus EM1mark2).

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    I am not very interested in any of these high res shoot modes
    It is not a High res shoot mode it stay a 36 MP file but full RGB thus increasing the visual resolution and colour rendition beyond what can do conventional 36Mp sensors, even surpassing what can do 42 Mp sensors easily.


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    One one hand I'm a bit disappointed:
    - USB2 why? but maybe I wil transfer all files through WiFi
    - 33 x AF and only in middle of frame? (but still it is APS-C size) but more cross points than D810.
    - OVF x0,7 but still is the same as in D4
    - Paint Paint will be better that on Ricoh GR K5 or FA lenses.

    I love some small things:
    - Place for plugs in grip.
    - lights - Love idea of lens light. I love making concert photos and sometimes finding proper lens position is pain in the.

    As I have short budget, I choose pentax system years ago.
    So now I'm ready for K1.
    Driven by GAS I recently bought Tamron 300 2.8 60B and Pentax AF 1.7 Adapter (total cost 900$). With K1 It will give me 510 mm f/4.5 setup with AF and with SR (preorder in Poland 2270$). So total cost is about 3200$.
    Sigma 500 4.5 cost 5000$ Beat that .

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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

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    Thanks Kit.
    Could you please elaborate what makes the FA 43/1.9 so special? TIA.
    K-H;

    This is old, but you may find it of interest:

    https://luminous-landscape.com/sm-02-05-02/

    As for the K-1, for me the price and super resolution mode which, in effect, records RGB values at each pixel are the intriguing factors, particularly since Ricoh claims the super resolution mode can be used handheld.

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    Re: PENTAX FF - Spring 2016

    I've been reading about Pentax's "pixel shift resolution" technology. It looks pretty impressive in the APS-C 24mp K-3II, putting it roughly on par with a D810. Should be even more impressive in the K-1.

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PROD...k3-iiTECH2.HTM

    The comparison between the K-3II and the 645z at the end was interesting. I imagine the K-1 will come even closer to the 645z IQ, at least in recording fine details.

    Impressive stuff indeed.

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    I've never had Pentax but I remember when I was in my 20's I really wanted MF Pentax camera (6x7 as far as I remember) Now, when I'm not that young the K-1 looks really tasty for my landscape needs. In an ideal world I'd really put Zeiss Otus' on it but that is 1) big unknown if Zeiss would do it and 2) that's EXPENSIVE. The latter is doable though with some time and effort. So, I know Zeiss and Pentax are reading this, so give us a hint please!

    I'll wait for more info though to see real reviews and then decide. Overall, 36mpix is enough for me and having all these sensor-related features I'm really tempted. Also, let's see what lens line up will look like.

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