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    New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    http://www.print21online.com/supporters/epson/

    the look ineresting.. playing catchup to the HP Z3100 series (the new ones will auto switch matte and photo black, and have auto profiling systems in them)

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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    Ten buckets of ink on the wall, ten buckets of ink and when the matt is switched in you have
    Ten buckets of ink on the wall
    That 7900 looks pretty interesting...
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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    I have already started saving for the 9900
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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    I think it's nice that the integrated spectrophotometer is optional (for those who wish to keep profiling a separate operation).

    Any word as to whether the black inks require line clearing when switching between matte and photo black? This, to me, was a problem in previous designs in the Epson line because I use both frequently.

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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Allyn View Post
    I think it's nice that the integrated spectrophotometer is optional (for those who wish to keep profiling a separate operation).

    Any word as to whether the black inks require line clearing when switching between matte and photo black? This, to me, was a problem in previous designs in the Epson line because I use both frequently.
    Dale,
    It appears as though these new printers are utilizing the new print heads that were developed for the 11800 series printer. It has separate nozzles and feeds for both ink types, I believe, so lines do not need to be flushed.

    This design existed on the older Epson 4000 printer, and it was the only one until the recent models that had both matte and photo black inks with the older Ultrachrome inks and did not require flushing lines or changing carts.

    If the machine holds both inks (matte and photo black), then it will have separate line and feeds. Only when you swap carts using the same slot and line feed, does it need to be flushed.

    Have folks looked at the size of those new ink carts (350 and 700ml, compared to the 220ml of the older models)? I am trying to imagine how much it would cost for a full set of carts....probably near the price of the printer

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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    I think the biggest thing is the addition of the orange and green inks to expand gamut in those areas -- green has been a shortcoming of digital output.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I think the biggest thing is the addition of the orange and green inks to expand gamut in those areas -- green has been a shortcoming of digital output.
    It will be interesting to see how the prints from these new printers look. If they really do fill the gaps and extend the gamut, plus be able to handle files at 16-bit, they could make using a RIP a lot less needed, except for fancy layouts and stuff.

    Just think....loading up 11 carts of ink in the 700ml size is going to be like filling the printer with nearly a case of really, really good wine

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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    Anyone see pricing yet? I bet the 9990 won't be $5K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    Anyone see pricing yet? I bet the 9990 won't be $5K.
    Doug,
    I asked my preferred vendor about that yesterday.....no announced prices yet, on printers or ink. The "guess" was $4K on the 7900 versus the $3K of the 7800, and not sure if that was factoring in the optional spectro.

    Epson is still pretty much "king of the hill" with printers, but is feeling the heat from Canon and HP, so I would not be surprised to see these new printers come in at prices pretty close to where the present line is, but accounting for the newer inks. That raised the question as whether they would ship with full ink sets (350ml carts), or some special "starter size" to charge the lines, etc.

    Nobody knows just yet, as Epson has not posted a release date, nor pricing on things. I think you are correct, they are going to cost more than the present models, but just unsure how much and how they will be configured. As always, the ink is still very expensive, and these new models are now taking on even more capacity, so that has to impact pricing for a rig ready to go.

    LJ

    P.S If you simply scale up the present ink costs at discounted rate, the 350ml carts could cost about $150 each. Toss in eleven of those and you have nearly $1,600 in ink alone. The present line ships with 110ml carts, and those are about $600 of the printer price approximately. So you already have at least a $1000 differential based on estimated ink costs alone. Add in the printer improvements, and it is easy to see that they may price at $1000-1500 higher than present models. This is all guesstimation at this point, so if anybody has added info to share, that would help our planning ;-)
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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    I would not be at all surprised to see the new printers ship with 100ml of each color and have the entry price at just under $4K (for the 9900), knowing that we all will buy a set of 300ml inks at say $149 per, or another $1500...
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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I would not be at all surprised to see the new printers ship with 100ml of each color and have the entry price at just under $4K (for the 9900), knowing that we all will buy a set of 300ml inks at say $149 per, or another $1500...
    Jack,
    I keep getting tripped on this also....they say "ten color", but they talk about having 11 inks onboard. (Photo Black, Matte Black, Light Black, Light Light Black, Cyan, Light Cyan, Vivid Magenta, Light Vivid Magenta, Yellow, Orange and Green) In any event, it be a lot of ink, and that will impact the pricing for sure. I thought it would seem a bit disingenuous if they shipped with anything less than the smallest available ink cart, which seems to be 350ml for these two models, but as you point out, they may include special charger carts and expect folks to buy a full set, just to keep the "base price" low enough for marketing purposes ;-)

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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    Yes, pretty sure the 10 is Black, Light Gray, Light-light Gray, Magenta, Light Magenta, Cyan, Light Cyan, Yellow, Green and Orange. Anyway, the Mk and Pk do not get used together, so makes sense they aren't both counted in the total ink laydown. However, we still don't know if they share the nozzle position in the head and require the flush, or if there are dedicated Mk and Pk nozzles so we can select on the fly -- let's HOPE Epson was not so stupid this time around and forces us to purge. If they are still playing that game, I'm looking into HP for the next printer..
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    Jack,
    I asked about that, and from what I was told, there are separate feeds and nozzles for the Matte and Photo Black inks, so there is no line flushing to be done. Epson actually had this right on the 4000 printer, but then stopped when they switched over to the newer K3 inks. Lots of complaints from folks about that, and it appears they have listened. We will have to see more details, but I think they will fly from one to the other without issue.

    As an aside, I installed the Image Print Phatte Black configuration on my 7800, and that has the profiles handling things for matte or photo black media. I had to remove the Light Light Black ink cart and use a specially chipped "Phatte Black" ink cart to preclude doing the feed line flush and all, and I have to say that it has been working great. I would like to have use of ALL of the Epson inks, so the 7900 and 9900 both look attractive, and might not require using a RIP any longer, especially if you get the optional spectrophotometer to create you own profiles.

    LJ

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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    That's good news LJ -- they'll keep me then -- I see a 9900 in my studio as soon as it's available! As for the spectro, that deserves some consideration since I already own an i-1. It's an older, non-UV unit and has always does a superb job building profiles, though probably due for an upgrade...
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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    That's good news LJ -- they'll keep me then -- I see a 9900 in my studio as soon as it's available! As for the spectro, that deserves some consideration since I already own an i-1. It's an older, non-UV unit and has always does a superb job building profiles, though probably due for an upgrade...
    Jack,

    How'd you like an i1 XT for $1,695 (normally $2,800)?


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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    I just ordered a 7900 from DTG. $3720 with free shipping.

    http://www.dtgweb.com

    My 3800 is up on Ebay.

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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    Awesome Doug, congrats! Can't wait to hear your report. I am still saving for the 9900. ($5795 now, and hopefully less when I get around to actually buying it!)
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    Jack...DTG has it for $5625 now.

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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    Thanks Doug!
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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    Just loaded the ink in my new 7900. Except for light black, there is between 50 and 60% ink left. Maintenance tank is 69% full from the charging.

    So far just one test print made and it came out very nice. Also upgraded the firmware. Among other things this gives you the ability to turn off the auto nozzle check every time it's turned on. So far this printer seems really sweet.

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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    Just spent 1/2 of Sat and all day Sunday installing our 7900. If anyone else has networked their printer I'd be interested in to hear how it went for you.
    It took several installs and basically ignoring the supplied instructions.

    Once set up I printed a couple of test prints that I compared with our previous printer (7600) On the 7600 I was printing using Bill Atkinsons profiles, on the 7900 I used the supplied Epson profiles.

    The results are so marginal that I'm must admit to having purchase remorse. The one area I am happy with though is there is no longer that "3D" affect in the paper white areas.

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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    Quote Originally Posted by peby View Post
    Just spent 1/2 of Sat and all day Sunday installing our 7900. If anyone else has networked their printer I'd be interested in to hear how it went for you.
    It took several installs and basically ignoring the supplied instructions.

    Once set up I printed a couple of test prints that I compared with our previous printer (7600) On the 7600 I was printing using Bill Atkinsons profiles, on the 7900 I used the supplied Epson profiles.

    The results are so marginal that I'm must admit to having purchase remorse. The one area I am happy with though is there is no longer that "3D" affect in the paper white areas.
    Have you made further prints with the 7900? Do you still feel the print quality is not so far from the 7600? I ask because I own a 7600 and was thinking about upgrading to a 7900. Print speed is not critical for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    Have you made further prints with the 7900? Do you still feel the print quality is not so far from the 7600? I ask because I own a 7600 and was thinking about upgrading to a 7900. Print speed is not critical for me.
    It will depend on what your output is. If you are printing mainly portraits (skin tones) then yes there is more of a notable difference. If it's landscape images then the difference is subtle.
    Keep in mind, I was using Bill Atkinsons profiles with Epson paper on the 7600 and Epson profiles for the 7900. I cannot make comments about other paper/profiles etc.
    As for speed of the 7900, yes it's faster with print output but I find the other functions (start up. etc.) to be slower. Especially the cleaning function. I could have printed a 20x24 on the 7600 in the time it took the 7900 to go through a cleaning cycle. Paul

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    Re: New Epson LF printers 9900 and 7900

    FYI, Epson has been telling many people to turn off the auto nozzle check. The new firmware also stops the cleaning check when you turn the printer on so the startup is faster.

    Jim

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