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    best RIP software

    I have an Epson 3880 on Mac Pro , what is the best RIP software for printing

    what do you think of that one ? http://www.colorbytesoftware.com/

    thank you

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    Re: best RIP software

    Been using ImagePrint from Colorbyte for 6 years...has evolved from a great RIP to very mature one with layout properties, Print Through Application ability and wonderful easy to navigate browser functions.

    Have not used any others but have upgraded two printer sizes over the years and would not go back to printing without it.

    I have the ability (software and hardware from Gretag MacBeth - EyeOne) to do my own profiles but truly do not take the time as the profiles with IP are so good.

    Highly recommended.

    Bob

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    Re: best RIP software

    thanks Bob

    to be sure you mean that one ? http://www.colorbytesoftware.com ImagePrint 8 ?

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    That is correct.

    You should be able to download a trial version which imprints demo over the face of your prints but you can get a good idea of the workflow and output. Menu selection at the top of the page for Trial Version. Read it carefully as you need to enable demo behavior :"Important: After installation, in order to enable printing in demo mode make sure to choose that option in the DEMO BEHAVIOR section (under the QUEUE menu) of Spoolface, the ImagePrint spooler interface. You may wish to refer to the Quick Start guide you printed earlier for additional instructions."

    Caution: it will make you want to buy it.

    Bob

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    Re: best RIP software

    I shall not take a demo, I shall take it because I always get my prints too dark , I just wait to see other opinions

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    Quote Originally Posted by erick.boileau View Post
    I shall not take a demo, I shall take it because I always get my prints too dark , I just wait to see other opinions
    IP 8 works in a calibrated environment with monitor and printer profiled...so you monitor needs to be calibrated ( weekly/monthly ) and that applied when using the RIP.

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    I have an Eizo a Monoca optix device for calibration , all is correct , but the prints are too dark

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    Re: best RIP software

    Quote Originally Posted by erick.boileau View Post
    I have an Eizo a Monoca optix device for calibration , all is correct , but the prints are too dark

    My prints look dead on perfect out of IP8.

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by erick.boileau View Post
    I have an Eizo a Monoca optix device for calibration , all is correct , but the prints are too dark
    The problem in this case is almost always an inappropriate selection of calibration targets for the ambient room illumination. If the display is too bright relative to the room, your eyes are fooled and cannot make adjustments that will transfer with high fidelity to paper. The solution is to either reduce display brightness to a lower level (I wouldn't go below about 90 cdm^2) or raise ambient illumination in the editing environment.

    I've seen this problem over and over again with students and colleagues. No RIP or calibration tool alone solves the problem ... the editing environment is critical. The room lighting should be bright enough to easily read a newspaper without additional illumination if the display is set to a 110 cdm^2 luminance target.

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    Re: best RIP software

    the display target is on 100 and 5700 K and I can read a text
    all is calibrated
    MAC PRO --> Eizo CG243W --> Monaco Optix --> and I have the good ICC for Canson infinity Baryta

    but I can never get what I see on the screen, it is really too dark

    do you think a RIP is not necessary ?

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    Godfrey has a very cogent point.

    RIP does a lot more, but may not address this issue as well.

    Bob

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    Re: best RIP software

    then I dont know how to solve my problem

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    Eric,

    Try the demo...solves the problem you know the answer. It works for me.

    Bob

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    Re: best RIP software

    ok

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    Re: best RIP software

    Quote Originally Posted by erick.boileau View Post
    the display target is on 100 and 5700 K and I can read a text
    all is calibrated
    MAC PRO --> Eizo CG243W --> Monaco Optix --> and I have the good ICC for Canson infinity Baryta

    but I can never get what I see on the screen, it is really too dark

    do you think a RIP is not necessary ?
    Raise the room illumination level. In what environment do you adjust your images? If Lightroom or Aperture, set the surround on screen that you are editing against to white. Look at the image with a white border on screen that is at least two inches all around it. Re-adjust the image until it looks right, then try printing.

    The surround against which you adjust an image is very important. Here's an example:

    http://www.gdgphoto.com/surround/

    Notice how the white surround makes the image look flatter and duller than the black surround. A white surround lets you see a little better what an image will look like printed to paper rather than on a monitor. If you then get the right balance of ambient and display luminance set up, you should get a high fidelity match between display and print.

    I have used RIPs. I find them unnecessary since I only print on one or two papers and the provided paper profiles for my papers do a perfect job printing from Photoshop, Lightroom or even Pages to the Epson R2400: what I see on screen is what I get out of the printer.

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    thanks Godfrey but I know that a black or a white background change all
    the prints are just too dark, it is not an illusion, it is concrete

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    Re: best RIP software

    i have been using IP with my 4880 for several years and through several IP upgrades. Not only do i get good prints, but is is very handy for sizing and arranging prints, multiple prints on a page, etc.

    the biggest problem I have with them is that they base price on the printer size, and for a large printer (24" or 44") it is quite expensive. I have no idea why the software price should relate to printer size; maybe some guru can explain?

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    Re: best RIP software

    Quote Originally Posted by erick.boileau View Post
    thanks Godfrey but I know that a black or a white background change all
    the prints are just too dark, it is not an illusion, it is concrete
    The difference in how they look when you adjust them against different backgrounds is not an illusion, it is concrete too.

    But if you think you have the configuration knocked, just change the brightness adjustment on a photo that you have adjusted to be perfect to your eye and test-print it until it comes out perfectly. Then you know how much you have to change what your eye says is perfect to get what the printer agrees is perfect.

    No automated RIP or printing process is going to solve that difference.

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    Re: best RIP software

    thank you Godfrey

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    Re: best RIP software

    "MAC PRO --> Eizo CG243W --> Monaco Optix --> and I have the good ICC for Canson infinity Baryta"

    Maybe you try a pro profile for YOUR printer !
    I've tried the profile form Canson and the one from Ilforld Gold Silk (very similar paper... confusing ! ) and finally went for a custom profile form www.cmp.com
    so far, so good... without RIP.

    Rip are good for workflow, but on today printers, if you have a custom profile, it will be as good color wise !

    A friend of mine is using MIRAGE, is really happy with it !

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