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    OS X Lion and Epson Drivers, etc.

    If you look at the utilities that come along with Epson printer drivers (Printer Watcher, etc.) (I have 3800 and 3880), they are Power PC type, which means they will not run under OS x 10.7 ("Lion"). Until Epson releases updates, beware of "upgrading" to 10.7. I also noticed that the app for my Spyder 2 monitor calibrator is Power PC (and that one may not be updated), and finally, my system also shows a piece of Noise Ninja running under Power PC (aka Rosetta).

    If you want to take a look at your apps, run System Profiler and then click on apps. The type of app is listed for each and you can sort by type so you can see how much PowerPC stuff you have.

    If anyone who has run the developer version has better information, would you let us know please?
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    Re: OS X Lion and Epson Drivers, etc.

    It is quite likely that new, updated Epson utilities will debut with Mac OS X v10.7 since 10.7 is 64-bit and Intel Core-Duo 2 or later only. Exactly what drivers will be bundled is always a question mark, of course. The only PowerPC components remaining on my system are a couple of older installers.

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    Re: OS X Lion and Epson Drivers, etc.

    After some back and forth with Epson, it looks like the drivers and accompanying utilities "should" work in OS X 10.7, as they are "Universal". Some older utilities, including one I have that does a power nozzle clean, are written for PowerPC and unless rewritten will not work. Epson is silent as to those.
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    Re: OS X Lion and Epson Drivers, etc.

    MacUpdate a day or so ago included new Epson drivers with some of the utilities built in. I have to assume they revised for Lion, though nothing obviously was said. Anyhow, the new drivers work very nicely in 10.6.8, and I am reasonably sure (but not offering insurance policy) that they will work in 10.7.
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    Re: OS X Lion and Xrite ...

    Just as important, display calibration utilities need to be brought up to date too.

    Xrite sent me this the other day:

    UPDATE: Linon compatibility for X-Rite color solutions

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    Re: OS X Lion and Xrite ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Just as important, display calibration utilities need to be brought up to date too.

    Xrite sent me this the other day:

    UPDATE: Linon compatibility for X-Rite color solutions
    Kind of peeved that I see this now (not at you more at xrite). I just upgraded my Display2 to the new Display Pro opened the box on Friday. I tried the updated xrite profile software and it didn't work with my puck. When I ordered earlier in the week the xrite website just shows the Display2 as a discontinued item so I bit the $250 bullet.

    I wonder what the fix for a nominal charge is going to be for that device. Well at least now that it will work again, I guess there will be a market to sell it.

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    Re: OS X Lion and Epson Drivers, etc.

    Does anyone know what this means for NEC Spectraview II? I'm about to upgrade to a wide gamut monitor from NEC, but if I'm now stuck with not being able to run Lion, I may have to look for other solutions.

    Cheers, -Peter

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    On the calibration side, I will simply add what I know: the Xrite Colormunki software is Universal and should work. On the other hand, my old Spyder2 runs with PowerPC software, and I think we have to assume it will not be updated and will not work. That is one reason I shifted to Colormunki.
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    Re: OS X Lion and Epson Drivers, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL View Post
    Does anyone know what this means for NEC Spectraview II? I'm about to upgrade to a wide gamut monitor from NEC, but if I'm now stuck with not being able to run Lion, I may have to look for other solutions.

    Cheers, -Peter
    Spectraview II is a universal application so at least that hurdle is out of the way.
    Other barriers to compatibility may however still exist.
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    Re: OS X Lion and Xrite ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Just as important, display calibration utilities need to be brought up to date too.

    Xrite sent me this the other day:

    UPDATE: Linon compatibility for X-Rite color solutions
    Don't these people bother testing their products with developer releases? WTF? Makes you wonder if they actually develop their software in-house or rely on contractors. Not a good sign...

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    Quote Originally Posted by weinschela View Post
    MacUpdate a day or so ago included new Epson drivers with some of the utilities built in.
    They're had the utilities built in for quite a while, no? It all seems to be accessible from the various system panels without running special tools or utilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Brittenson View Post
    They're had the utilities built in for quite a while, no? It all seems to be accessible from the various system panels without running special tools or utilities.
    Yes, but they seem even more tightly wound to the driver. You can get ink levels etc, right from the driver settings. I think nozzle cleaning is still a separate utility but appears to be Universal. There were other utilities such as for updating printer firmware, that are all PowerPC and do not show up anywhere in the new drivers -- or if they do, I haven't found them yet.
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    Re: OS X Lion and Epson Drivers, etc.

    By the way, the word on MacRumors as well as other sites is that Lion 10.7 will be out Wednesday. Along with some new Macbook Airs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weinschela View Post
    If you look at the utilities that come along with Epson printer drivers (Printer Watcher, etc.) (I have 3800 and 3880), they are Power PC type, which means they will not run under OS x 10.7 ("Lion").
    Check this:

    http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/s...upportLion.jsp

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    Re: OS X Lion and Epson Drivers, etc.

    Loaded Lion on cloned partition with any real preparation, printed immediately from LR to an Epson 3800 without any updates or issues. Some cosmetic differences in dialog boxes, but printing is pretty much identical to Snow Leopard.
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    Decided to be adventurous too. I cloned my startup drive and have done an install over .. Just waiting for the Xcode tools to finish downloading now.

    Fun fun fun...

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    Re: OS X Lion and Epson Drivers, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Decided to be adventurous too. I cloned my startup drive and have done an install over .. Just waiting for the Xcode tools to finish downloading now.

    Fun fun fun...
    I bought it too . . . . 4 hours ago, and it's nearly 20 percent downloaded!
    :sleep006::sleep006::sleep006::sleep006::sleep006: :sleep006:

    Oh for a decent internet connection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Spectraview II is a universal application so at least that hurdle is out of the way.
    Other barriers to compatibility may however still exist.
    -bob
    Spoke with "Level 2" support at NEC a few days ago, triggered by x-rite's email. They seem to think there is no problem, though I couldn't "pin them down". It was kind of "don't worry, be happy". I'm not upgrading for a while, given other software issues.

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    I bought it too . . . . 4 hours ago, and it's nearly 20 percent downloaded!

    Oh for a decent internet connection
    Both Lion and Xcode 4 installers downloaded and installed, about 2 hours each. A couple of minor incompatibilities at this point, but nothing serious. Everything seems to be working well.

    I'm a little irritated that you have to go back to the App Store to re-download the Lion installer if you want to have it for installation on another drive.

    Can't say how the performance is until all the Spotlight indexing and Time Machine backup work finishes running. Right now, aside from Safari, they're all that's running and are taking up 30-60% of the compute power available. It's still not bad at all, really.

    Lightroom 3.4.1 worked just fine, as did my Chronosync photo backup system.

    I like the new Mail features, most of them anyway.

    Most irritating silliness was that the Magic Mouse scrolling was inverted by default. I switched it to work the other way, now everything works as I expect it too.

    onwards ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Both Lion and Xcode 4 installers downloaded and installed, about 2 hours each. A couple of minor incompatibilities at this point, but nothing serious. Everything seems to be working well.

    I'm a little irritated that you have to go back to the App Store to re-download the Lion installer if you want to have it for installation on another drive.

    Can't say how the performance is until all the Spotlight indexing and Time Machine backup work finishes running. Right now, aside from Safari, they're all that's running and are taking up 30-60% of the compute power available. It's still not bad at all, really.

    Lightroom 3.4.1 worked just fine, as did my Chronosync photo backup system.

    I like the new Mail features, most of them anyway.

    Most irritating silliness was that the Magic Mouse scrolling was inverted by default. I switched it to work the other way, now everything works as I expect it too.

    onwards ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Most irritating silliness was that the Magic Mouse scrolling was inverted by default. I switched it to work the other way, now everything works as I expect it too.

    onwards ...
    Okay - but don't you think it actually now works the right way . . . . . it's just that we all learned the 'wrong' way before. Just a little practice required, but it's much more intuitive.

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    Hi Jono,

    I'd really like the option of having swipe left right different from up/down scrolling direction.

    I find on a computer where I am not touching the screen, that moving my finger down the mouse or the touch pad that I expect to scroll down the page on the screen. BUT when I swipe sideways with 3 fingers I somehow expect the window to go to the left not the right.
    As it stands I can't configure things that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Hi Jono,

    I'd really like the option of having swipe left right different from up/down scrolling direction.

    I find on a computer where I am not touching the screen, that moving my finger down the mouse or the touch pad that I expect to scroll down the page on the screen. BUT when I swipe sideways with 3 fingers I somehow expect the window to go to the left not the right.
    As it stands I can't configure things that way.
    Well, I think you're wrong! it seems to me that in both directions it now works correctly - it's a bit of a culture shock, but that's not the point

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    Perhaps its due to using an iPad that you have become so conditioned?

    Problem is that every non Lion system I encounter will be set up for the other way around and I will have to keep rewiring my brain. I already have to use one customer's mouse that is on the left side and has the right click on the left side as well!
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    I'm giving it a longer try now, will see how I get on, but as they say around here - "I am a bit like a coo with a gun".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Geodfrey

    You don't need to download the Lion each time.

    See:

    http://lifehacker.com/5823096/how-to...or-flash-drive
    Useful info, thanks.

    But I knew I didn't need to download it each time anyway. I just needed to download it a second time as I didn't stop it before installation began and save the installer application.

    Apple gives instructions on how to do that on their website in the Support area:
    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4718

    I've now got a small external drive set up with both Lion and Xcode installer apps so I can boot a system, erase its internal drive, and then do a complete installation from scratch any time.

    I might make a DVD and a flash drive to do it too, that's convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Okay - but don't you think it actually now works the right way . . . . . it's just that we all learned the 'wrong' way before. Just a little practice required, but it's much more intuitive.
    Actually, no, I don't.

    I see a scroll wheel (or the Magic Mouse touch simulation of a scroll wheel) as pulling the scroll bar control down, not pushing the piece of paper or view up ... It's analogous to my action when I'm opening a window shade, I pull the cord down to make the shade go up.

    When I'm using a touch device to view a document, I push the view up because I'm moving the virtual object (the "paper"), not a control element manipulating that object.

    I tried switching it to the default and found trying to use the scroller this way for a couple of hours very frustrating. It breaks 30 years of muscle memory and my mental logic of what I'm doing when I use a scroll wheel.

    The other Lion touch gestures make sense and I have learned them easily, but this one I think they got backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braeside View Post
    Hi Jono,

    I'd really like the option of having swipe left right different from up/down scrolling direction.

    I find on a computer where I am not touching the screen, that moving my finger down the mouse or the touch pad that I expect to scroll down the page on the screen. BUT when I swipe sideways with 3 fingers I somehow expect the window to go to the left not the right.
    As it stands I can't configure things that way.
    Well, I think you're wrong! it seems to me that in both directions it now works correctly - it's a bit of a culture shock, but that's not the point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Actually, no, I don't.

    I see a scroll wheel (or the Magic Mouse touch simulation of a scroll wheel) as pulling the scroll bar control down, not pushing the piece of paper or view up ... It's analogous to my action when I'm opening a window shade, I pull the cord down to make the shade go up.

    When I'm using a touch device to view a document, I push the view up because I'm moving the virtual object (the "paper"), not a control element manipulating that object.

    I tried switching it to the default and found trying to use the scroller this way for a couple of hours very frustrating. It breaks 30 years of muscle memory and my mental logic of what I'm doing when I use a scroll wheel.

    The other Lion touch gestures make sense and I have learned them easily, but this one I think they got backwards.
    When you're opening a window shade you pull the cord to make the shade come down too - there's just two pulls!

    I grant you 30 years of muscle memory ( I have it too ) but it's only taken a couple of hours to change over . . . it would have taken weeks to comfortably go from right to wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    When you're opening a window shade you pull the cord to make the shade come down too - there's just two pulls!

    I grant you 30 years of muscle memory ( I have it too ) but it's only taken a couple of hours to change over . . . it would have taken weeks to comfortably go from right to wrong!
    The window shade analogy is weak for that reason, but it is only an analogy. A scroll bar determines a particular place in a window's view of a document. It has a fixed run in a view of a given size and only moves up and down ... you don't have one to pull down to go down and another to pull down to go up. It also reports back to me as a user where I am in the document very efficiently.

    When I'm using a scroll wheel, I'm setting the position of the view of the document referencing the window structure via the scroll indicator on the screen, not just shoving the paper upwards or downwards. Pulling the scroller down ... rolling the scroll wheel down ... moves the view to the bottom of the underlying document. It allows me to traverse a great distance in the view by moving the scroll control quickly to a relative position of the total document.

    We will not agree on this, Jono, so I'm not going to debate it. I know what doesn't work for me just as well as you do, and we are different.

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    I think it is just a muscle memory issue. Everyone seems to have gotten used to scrolling on the iPad without complaint (and it feels pretty intuitive). The new default is the same scrolling. It just feels wrong because we learned it the other way. If the original design of scrolling mice was in the opposite direction we wouldn't be having the conversation today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I think it is just a muscle memory issue. Everyone seems to have gotten used to scrolling on the iPad without complaint (and it feels pretty intuitive). The new default is the same scrolling. It just feels wrong because we learned it the other way. If the original design of scrolling mice was in the opposite direction we wouldn't be having the conversation today.
    I believe it goes deeper than that, Terry. An iPad is a touch based device ... you are manipulating the virtual thing itself. With a scroller and a scrollbar, you are manipulating the position of the view, not the virtual thing itself.

    Imagine a piece of paper on your desk and a window that you can see it through which is smaller than the piece of paper. When you want to view the bottom of the page, you don't slide the paper up, you move the window down. That's what the scrollbar-scroller control is modeled on, not the touch-based operation of moving a piece of paper with no frame across your view. It's a matter of perception and frame of reference.

    And that's the last I'll say about it as it really is a pretty unimportant issue ... After all, Apple recognizes that what they chose as a default might not be everyone's preference and provided an option to make it work the right way.
    ]'-)

    Just like some people like Nikon, some like Canon ... some like Sony NEX, some like Panasonic Lumix, and some like some other cameras simply because they work the way a particular person wants, to bring it back to photographic things.

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    Re: OS X Lion and Epson Drivers, etc.

    Adobe posted a page of Mac OS X 10.7 "Lion" Creative Suite compatibility notes:

    http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/905/cpsid_90508.html

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    Re: OS X Lion and Epson Drivers, etc.

    This thread is a bit old now, but I had to find a place to post my joy. Since switching to Lion and taking the steps to align all the various Epson updates/drivers, I am in printing nirvana.

    Finally, they found a way to stick the printer settings so every time you make another copy of the same print you don't have to go back in and click resolution, etc.

    And (really big AND) my prints have never been this easy to make. I could tape them to my monitor and flip them up to reveal almost exactly what I'm seeing onscreen to what's on paper from the 3800.

    Yip-the-frik-eee!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    This thread is a bit old now, but I had to find a place to post my joy. Since switching to Lion and taking the steps to align all the various Epson updates/drivers, I am in printing nirvana.

    Finally, they found a way to stick the printer settings so every time you make another copy of the same print you don't have to go back in and click resolution, etc.

    And (really big AND) my prints have never been this easy to make. I could tape them to my monitor and flip them up to reveal almost exactly what I'm seeing onscreen to what's on paper from the 3800.

    Yip-the-frik-eee!
    That's good to hear.

    It sounds like you're printing from Photoshop. Printing from Lightroom has done this for a long time since you can save printing templates which contain all the printer settings you've put together and re-use them at any time, on any image.

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    Yes, PS is my favorite program to print from. Habit mainly. Although it's good to know that LR is happy with Lion too.

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