Steen
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arghh - have mercy - I can't take anymore - wherever I turn I bump into this cell phone trauma of mine - what will become of us - is there a doctor present -
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D850
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arghh - have mercy - I can't take anymore - wherever I turn I bump into this cell phone trauma of mine - what will become of us - is there a doctor present -
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Vivek
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Just because Jack can do it with a cell phone does not mean anyone can.arghh - have mercy - I can't take anymore - wherever I turn I bump into this cell phone trauma of mine - what will become of us - is there a doctor present -
Hope this helps!
For some reason I tend to have difficulties with every upgrade. In the beginning of every upgrade I, don't like the colors, don't like the handling, don't like the AF, etc..etc.. That is probably I am already so used to the 'older model' I have difficulties adapting to change (also seems to go hand in hand with age...).
The D850 is growing really fast on me and indeed, is a real upgrade from the D800. In every way. After several months of usage I have a new BFF in the D850.
Hate to double post, as this is in the Fun with Nikon thread. But so far still one of my favorites with the D850.
[/url]Fall scene from Sams Throne by paul caldwell, on Flickr[/IMG]
The D850 has had a larger learning curve than I expected, coming from the D800 and then D810. But it's quite capable for sure, especially when teamed with either a Milvus lens or one of the newer Zooms from Nikon, 24-70, 70-200 or 200-500.
Paul Caldwell
The D850 has had a larger learning curve than I expected, coming from the D800 and then D810. But it's quite capable for sure, especially when teamed with either a Milvus lens or one of the newer Zooms from Nikon, 24-70, 70-200 or 200-500.
Paul Caldwell
Jorgen Udvang
Subscriber Member
Tried it for the first time today. Very nice LCD. Live view AF seems to be improved. Not available here yet. Not that I have the money anyway but... tempting camera.
DougDolde
Well-known member
No more, they are sold out as soon as they arrive.
Nikon may build a monument, depending on the numbers as the new Sony is now in town.
Best regards,
ptomsu
Workshop Member
Jack,
simply buy the D850 - it is definitely better - and it will also be your last DSLR - as nothing will follow it, only mirrorless
Just my 5c
Peter
PS: wether I like this or not is a different topic :banghead:
Could not agree more, the other option is going mirrorless right now, with Sony: the leader in mirrorless and sensor technologies.Jack,
simply buy the D850 - it is definitely better - and it will also be your last DSLR - as nothing will follow it, only mirrorless
Just my 5c
Peter
PS: wether I like this or not is a different topic: banghead:
I will not jump ships until Nikon release or it becomes clear that they will not.
The sensor difference is a mixed package, but all the rest the D850 is a much better package.
Best regards,
Note: I love DSLRs, but I understand that it's a unsusteniable model.
Best regards,
Jorgen Udvang
Subscriber Member
Sustainable for who?
It's the other way around actually. DSLR is probably the sustainable model.
When I look at what fails in a camera, at least in my experience, it's:
1. Electronics, including sensor
2. Batteries
3. Mechanics
A couple of weeks ago, I had an odd experience with one of my mirrorless cameras, a Panasonic GX8. The colours in the viewfinder were suddenly washed out, pale and detail rendering looked like something out of a romantic C movie. The next day, it seemed fine again, but it made me wonder how long these viewfinders actually last. One thing is for certain though: replacing them is probably not an economical exercise to consider. Like most modern electronics, they are most probably designed not to be repaired. It's cheaper that way, at least as long as electronic corporations are not held accountable for the junk they generate.
One of many great things with optics and mechanics is that they are relatively easy to repair and replace. And even if some defect occurs, there are often temporary workarounds available. In a world that drowns in used plastics and electronic junk, that should have been a priority.
I like my mirrorless cameras and my other digital cameras too, but it's interesting to see that after nearly 50 years of SLR photography, I've had 1 shutter replacement, a D80 that was way past its "eat by" date (It also needed its top panel replaced.), but countless electronic failures, all except one with digital cameras. After nearly 50 years with analogue cameras and 14 with digitals.
It's interesting also to note that according to CIPA statistics, from January to October 2017:
- There were 87% more DSLR cameras than mirrorless cameras sold.
- The value of those DSLR cameras was 63% more than that of the mirrorless cameras
Mirrorless is catching up of course, but it's been 9 years now. That's a long transition for a technology that some call disruptive. I think we'll still have DSLR cameras in 10 and 20 years from now. Cameras like the D5600, the D7500 and the D750 show that DSLR bodies don't need to be large and heavy, and after 9 years using mirrorless cameras, I still prefer optical viewfinders for a lot of what I do. What Nikon needs to do though is pull out all the stops. The D750 replacement should have a viewfinder as good and as flexible as the one of a D850. The viewfinder is the single most important component of a DSLR camera, and in 10 years, it might be the only component that sets it apart from an iPhone, at least from a mainstream user's point of view. It's with that component I compose my photos. If it fails, I don't have a camera. Most of the time, glass don't fail.
Steen
Senior Subscriber Member
ptomsu
Workshop Member
After using mirrorless with EVF for 8 years as well, I have seen huge improvement in EVF technology and I guess the current Panasonic G9 and Sony A9, A7rIII together with the Leica SL mark the pinnacle of current EVF evolution.
I am already pretty happy with the EVF of my Olympus EM1.2, which s for sure less quality than the above mentioned (as was the EFV of my Fuji XT2), so if I could upgrade to say a G9 EVF that would already be heaven for me I guess.
Having said that it would be tempting to get a D850 as it is maybe the last of the DSLRs (or maybe I am wrong) and keep it for when I am lusting to shoot digital SLR with some interesting Nikkor lenses - of course a used D810 would do this job as well pretty properly. But I think one can easily wait till used D850's become available, as soon as the nets wave of camera technology innovation (maybe even the FF Mirrorless Nikon) starts reaching the market and many will jump ship again :clap:
My prediction - this will be reality at least in 2020 if not earlier :banghead:
I am already pretty happy with the EVF of my Olympus EM1.2, which s for sure less quality than the above mentioned (as was the EFV of my Fuji XT2), so if I could upgrade to say a G9 EVF that would already be heaven for me I guess.
Having said that it would be tempting to get a D850 as it is maybe the last of the DSLRs (or maybe I am wrong) and keep it for when I am lusting to shoot digital SLR with some interesting Nikkor lenses - of course a used D810 would do this job as well pretty properly. But I think one can easily wait till used D850's become available, as soon as the nets wave of camera technology innovation (maybe even the FF Mirrorless Nikon) starts reaching the market and many will jump ship again :clap:
My prediction - this will be reality at least in 2020 if not earlier :banghead:
Jorgen Udvang
Subscriber Member
What is all this talk about "the last DSLR"? The DSLR market is still almost twice as big as the mirrorless market, and it's basically shared by two companies, Canon and Nikon, while the mirrorless market, if we don't count the small players, is shared between:
- Sony
- Fuji
- Olympus
- Panasonic
- Canon
Roughly speaking, that means that even an optimistic forecast would give Nikon a mirrorless market share sized only a 5th of their DSLR market share, numbers not percentages. Even if they launch a few mirrorless cameras and even if they can fight their way up to a 20-30% share, there's no way they'll close down or give away their DSLR business in many years still. Why would they do that?
- Sony
- Fuji
- Olympus
- Panasonic
- Canon
Roughly speaking, that means that even an optimistic forecast would give Nikon a mirrorless market share sized only a 5th of their DSLR market share, numbers not percentages. Even if they launch a few mirrorless cameras and even if they can fight their way up to a 20-30% share, there's no way they'll close down or give away their DSLR business in many years still. Why would they do that?
ptomsu
Workshop Member
I have no idea what Nikon or Canon will do with their DSLR market and future models. And I could not care less about any market share statistics - they say almost nothing!
For me one thing is very obvious since the introduction of the Sony A9 - the future of cameras will no longer be based on mechanical, but on intelligent pieces working seamlessly electronically together - this is simply the future and it will be hard if not impossible that mechanical "old School" cameras will be able to compete.
If we like this or not is a different story.
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k-hawinkler
Well-known member
Once a global electronic shutter is technically feasible at modest competitive cost there is no point of using a mechanical shutter. But that will take some time as it depends on further advances in chip technology, following Moore’s law. The Sony A9 is certainly showing the way, being halfway there. The A9 is the best camera I have ever used.
Panasonic has very interesting technology with their organic sensor. As I understand it the organic sensor permits the separation of image capture from sensor readout, thus reducing the need for ultra high and costly bandwidth.
We will have even more wonderful cameras when all the technological pieces finally will come together. :thumbs:
Panasonic has very interesting technology with their organic sensor. As I understand it the organic sensor permits the separation of image capture from sensor readout, thus reducing the need for ultra high and costly bandwidth.
We will have even more wonderful cameras when all the technological pieces finally will come together. :thumbs: