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Thanks for this, I was going to ask. It puts the X-E3 in front for me.The Fuji is a bit better for having better DR overall in the end, but the PenF holds up remarkably well.
Hi 4711 - I am currently on vacation somewhere else, but I will get back to you tonight or tomorrow. I have been using my X-E3 almost exclusively now except for one time Pen-F and two times GM5. Some thoughts will follow.@raist3D
so how is it going with your Fuji X-E3? Do you like it? Do you use it more often than your M43 setup? If yes, with which lenses?
Hi Ricardo,...
PenF comment - I love love the PenF output (though I certainly love the X-E3's too). But the camera just gets in my way with the response, speed, reliability of focus, UI - while the Fuji more often get out of my way.
- Ricardo
Ok, this is specific and easier to answer-Hi Ricardo,
as far as I understood it, you wanted to give the XE3 a spin because:
a) the size of body and lenses are almost the same so the Fuji slightly bigger lenses do not disturb you and
b) you hoped that the IQ of the XE3 files will be better (not only by a hairline)
Do you feel that both points turned out true for you personally?
The reason why I am asking is that oftne you can have better IQ by swithicing to a bigger format, but that always comes at a price. The question is always is it worth it for you personally looking at the downsides of i.e. size and weight.
The PEN F has the new 20MP sensor already and for me your comment does not really sounds like that you feel that the IQ of the XE3 is significant better than the IQ of the PEN F. But with the size it sounds like it is/ it feels bigger than what you hoped for.
That step up in IQ is definitely NOT big enough - at least not for my feeling!I do not know wheter the step up in IQ of the XE3 is big enough to justify this.
I would argue in general except using some of the old F1.4 primes, the X-E3 focuses faster and more accurately than the GX80/GX85 in many situations. IBIS only really matters if you need it (i.e. you are not shooting moving objects). Some of the zoom lenses of Fuji have OIS anyway.Everything depends on the individual taste and preferences. I hear your points. I just hesitate for myself to add the XE3 to my arsenal, because I fear that it will be not really a significant enough added value for me compared to my GX85/GX80 (I sold already my GM5).
In many areas the XE3 would be even a step back compared to my GX80/85 (UI, faster AF speed & better reliability also in low light, touchscreen UI/setting options in menu, tilting screen, IBIS, lens size & weight even with FFL etc.).
I do not know wheter the step up in IQ of the XE3 is big enough to justify this.
You know, human beeings do seldom settle with their desires....
But again, if the image quality of the GX85 matches the domains you photograph on, this is irrelevant and you get the plus of a faster RAW develop (if you shoot raw) not only because you don't have to deal with 24 MP but also because you don't have to deal with X-trans which is more computer intensive.
Well, sure, but depending on the focal lengths, you can make the case that the X-E3 compets with m43rds size wise - and on the other hand, the more competitive m43rds cameras have gone bigger (GX8, GH5, EM1 MKII).You know, human beeings do seldom settle with their desires
I agrree that the IQ of the current 24MP Fuji sensors ( of course also Bayer 24MP) is better than current 16MP MFT sensors. But same goes for the difference APS-C vs Fullframe vs Medium Format.
Well sure, again- but once again, depends on what the range of features it. BTW, not disagreeing with you about needs and wants, all individual.This is why I am even thinking about adding again a Nikon D8xx to my arsenal instead of another Fuji body. This would give an even bigger step up in IQ. There is of course an even bigger size difference. But it seems that even Fuji will only offer all features, if you pick bigger bodies.
I woudl wait for the so called X1H to come out first. But even if that were true, an X1H doesn't make the entire line.Fuji has one USP, I am really fond of. Hybrid viewfinder. I really love that on my XPro1. But it seems that product line will never have a tilting screen. Same for the X100 line. And if there will be only an even bigger X1H to allow IBIS, there is no reason not to favour FF anymore...
They are basically providing a variant of their formula to many tastes. The X_E3 being a cheaper model, is not designed to have an OVF hybrid (same with the series of cameras preceding it). Given they have selling their X-line better and better, I do think they do have a strategy in mind and is serving them well.At the moment I do not understan the strategy of Fuji. Maybe they do not have one anymore. Maybe they want to make everybody happy and loose their focus with this. I do not know.
I think it's safe to say a "better X100F" will come. They have been pretty consistent about that line. Though for many it seems the X100F is more than good enough.But if they would have made a better X100F, or cheaper XPro2 with tilting screen or an XE3 with tilting screen we would not have that discussion...
Exactly. This makes the decisions so difficult.Well, sure, but depending on the focal lengths, you can make the case that the X-E3 compets with m43rds size wise - and on the other hand, the more competitive m43rds cameras have gone bigger (GX8, GH5, EM1 MKII).
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- Ricardo
It's better at tracking. Single AF depends on the lens. I guess some are faster, some are not. Looks like the bottleneck is not the X_E3 but the lenses. There's also the comparison in Fuji with single AF mode point vs the zone. I find for quicker acquisition of a reasonably big target the multipoint zone with PDAF is much faster than its regular single AF point.Exactly. This makes the decisions so difficult.
I am surprised that you experienced the AF of the XE3 better than the one in the Lumix GX80/85. That is new to me.
I think if I did that *and I shot using the view finder* I probably would have kept the PenF. But the PenF has other usability/speed response issues. And I don't use the EVF that often to shoot. I also prefer a tilt LCD vs fully articulated (the Fuji X_E3 has neither).If you would not do low light photography 90% of your shootings, would you have still picked the XE3 over the pen F now that you tested both in and out?
Me too......
I also prefer a tilt LCD vs fully articulated (the Fuji X_E3 has neither).
- Ricardo
I honestly don't seen an X-E3 sized body with IBIS. The PenF has good enough RAWS and JPEGS, but the camera could use a boost in usability and speed.Me too...
Maybe we both have to pray for a Pen F Mk II with UI on the level and AF of a GX80, tilting screen and image quality of a XE3...
I find the Pen F a lot more sexy than my GX80...
Or a XE4 with tilting screen, IBIS and a few more small XF lenses like a new XF18, a XF56/2.0 or 60/2.8 or 50-150/4.0
I honestly don't seen an X-E3 sized body with IBIS. The PenF has good enough RAWS and JPEGS, but the camera could use a boost in usability and speed.
- Ricardo