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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Simon, it's not an optical illusion when the vertical height of a capital letter goes from 11 pixels to 7. ��
    The default font sizes on vb3 were 8, 9 and 10. The default sizes on vB4 are 9,11 and 13. And both were using the same typeface. So the font size was larger on vb4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    The default font sizes on vb3 were 8, 9 and 10. The default sizes on vB4 are 9,11 and 13. And both were using the same typeface. So the font size was larger on vb4
    Simon, it doesn't matter what the numbers are if they're rendering the fonts smaller.
    I've seen this kind of thing happen many times.

    Regardless, the site is working its way back to usable now, thanks to your and Bob's hard work.
    Thank you for caring.

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    Yes, it's coming together nicely. Thanks for all your hard work.

    John
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    As a few have stated font size is looking much better. Also as said it doesn't matter what the numbers say if the reality is different.

    However the New Post page is still very hard to read quickly or even to just read at all. Too much unnecessary stuff and spacing, etc. What we used to have was far superior.

    With all that said thing are certainly improving.

    Thanks for all the work

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    Replying to a thread..just gives me a ' quick reply '.

    Too busy a format. My eyes..

    p.s. the only way I found is ' quick reply '; ' Go Advanced '.

    I have to ' press ' the ' Top ' icon 5/6 times before anything happened.

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    In a months time you will all wonder how you put up with the old format. Its what you get used to.

    I bet this upgrade offers some extra security measures that we needed.
    Nobody wants
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    What motivated this change was:
    1) we have been compromised by various attacks some of which had damaged our database and caused the loss of PMs
    2) Some of the plug-ins we used were full of security holes, and development had stopped on them, so new versions were needed. The Newest versions were only available on VB4 although some different ones were available on the prior version too.
    3) The style system has totally changed from VB3, which forced us to re-style using the new tools that VB4 offered.
    4) Moving to VB5 (some day maybe) is a very big jump from VB3, but much better from VB4.

    Besides the forum software upgrade, we have:
    1) Updated the base operating system to the latest version.
    2) Updated to the latest versions of Apache and PHP 5.5 BTW the prior version of forum software had many issues with current versions of PHP
    3) Installed a new content delivery system that includes both caching and reputation-based screening of client ip addresses
    4) distributed content world-wide to 23 points of service to improve our page load time and reduce our server load
    5) added redundancy to our dns, so address translations won't fail when one provider goes down.
    6) prevented root logins unless one holds the correct X.509 certificate so that hackers might be thwarted.
    7) Added automatic log scanning software that blocks ip addresses that appear to be doing things we consider threatening
    8) changed the structure of the databases so that backups can occur in minutes instead of hours

    and a whole bunch of techie things which include changing the graphics libraries to produce better image quality.

    So, Yes I am sure there are issues, but fundamentally EVERYTHING has changed.
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    Whew. Lots of work, Bob. Thanks for taking on the overhaul.

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    Thanks for all the hard work, Bob! I know what a big undertaking this was!

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    My images are gone
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    the text color when doing a search is too close to the background color of the text window (was searching for a post in B/S)

    seems to occur with other text windows as well
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    Bob, a very big undertaking indeed. You and the team working with you have done a super job.

    Thank you.

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    Have there been changes to how images are attached?

    I just added a few images and now they appear as small (no complaint about that) then when you click on them they appear larger but it appears you are controlling the size (no complaint about that either).

    Thanks for all your work with the upgrade, looking great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    Have there been changes to how images are attached?

    I just added a few images and now they appear as small (no complaint about that) then when you click on them they appear larger but it appears you are controlling the size (no complaint about that either).

    Thanks for all your work with the upgrade, looking great!
    Yeah the default way vBulletin4 works is it creates a thumbnail version of any attached images which it displays (Think its set at a width of 600) and clicking it brings up a larger version in a lightbox. Even this is often scaled down a little but if you click it again it will load the full size image
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    I uploaded a couple of photos to the gallery, and now they are waiting for a moderator. Is that the way it's intentioned to be? In that case, I must upload my photos to another gallery. Part of the fun is to get stuff online right away.

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I uploaded a couple of photos to the gallery, and now they are waiting for a moderator. Is that the way it's intentioned to be? In that case, I must upload my photos to another gallery. Part of the fun is to get stuff online right away.
    Should be fixed.
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

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    Should be fixed.
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    My photos are hosted on Flickr or my own server. I don't upload them separately to every bulletin board forum. I find I can still use the IMG url /IMG mechanism, but I have to enter it manually—the image tool defaults to uploading the image here now.

    Can we get another icon that loads images from a url the old way? Thx.

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    Name:  8541949699_ffbca5a38f_b.jpg
Views: 17
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    from flickr by uploading from URL
    Icelandic Horse by Bob Freund, on Flickr

    Second example is by copy/paste the BBCode option from flickr.

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    My photos are hosted on Flickr or my own server. I don't upload them separately to every bulletin board forum. I find I can still use the IMG url /IMG mechanism, but I have to enter it manually—the image tool defaults to uploading the image here now.

    Can we get another icon that loads images from a url the old way? Thx.

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    it still exists sort of.
    The old way was to simply link to the image. That makes the forum and mobile views not under control of the forum software. The problem with a pure url is that it forces the browser (including mobile) to scale the image once the whole thing has been downloaded.
    To upload images click the insert image icon in the editor.
    Once there you will find two tabs,
    one from computer which allows the uploading of files, and one from URL which does an upload (to create scaled images for thumbnails and for mobile).
    I am having a harder time finding the actual image url in flickr since they seem to have obfuscated it a bit.
    What Flickr does offer is a BBCode option.
    Simply select that option, then copy/paste it into your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Hit the right X boxes the reviews disappear.
    I missed that. Looks much better now .

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    Hmm. I really don't like the way BBS forum software does scaling most of the time, and I'm not thrilled with seeing attachments of my photos besides what I post inline in the message. I size my photos specifically for when I post them to the world to see, it's part of the rendering process.

    But I use the BBCode output from Flickr most of the time, and nip the direct image URL when that's important if I don't want the click-through to work. I don't know why that's difficult. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Name:  8541949699_ffbca5a38f_b.jpg
Views: 17
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    from flickr by uploading from URL
    Icelandic Horse by Bob Freund, on Flickr

    Second example is by copy/paste the BBCode option from flickr.

    I presume the second image is the size that you set the image to be, without scaling. Look at the over-sharpening in the first, a result of scaling and resharpening.
    My example ... Done right, the two images should be identical and unscaled (the photo is 1200 pixels wide).

    from flickr by uploading from URL (retrieve from remote and reference locally disabled):

    Leica M-P + Nokton 50/1.5 ASPH (LTM)

    from flickr with BBCode:

    Leica M-P + Nokton 50/1.5 ASPH (LTM)

    You do have to be sure you capture the hard link from the original post sizing, not from a scaled version. Flickr adaptively scales things too; it's why I hate seeing scaled photos.

    Note that on my iPad mini, both your images appear the same size. On my 27" display, your two photos appear two different sizes. Both my images appear the same size (smaller) on either device, and are scaled much less obtrusively on the iPad.

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I presume the second image is the size that you set the image to be, without scaling. Look at the over-sharpening in the first, a result of scaling and resharpening.
    My example ... Done right, the two images should be identical and unscaled (the photo is 1200 pixels wide).

    from flickr by uploading from URL (retrieve from remote and reference locally disabled):

    Leica M-P + Nokton 50/1.5 ASPH (LTM)

    from flickr with BBCode:

    Leica M-P + Nokton 50/1.5 ASPH (LTM)

    You do have to be sure you capture the hard link from the original post sizing, not from a scaled version. Flickr adaptively scales things too; it's why I hate seeing scaled photos.

    Note that on my iPad mini, both your images appear the same size. On my 27" display, your two photos appear two different sizes. Both my images appear the same size (smaller) on either device, and are scaled much less obtrusively on the iPad.

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    Actually the original on flickr was 800 px wide.
    Our display column width is 1200, so the image was up-rezed.
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    Every image I load into our gallery is 1200 px wide. That's why I use our gallery than some other web site like flicker. Folks you get free space use it.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Actually the original on flickr was 800 px wide.
    Our display column width is 1200, so the image was up-rezed.
    -bob
    Exactly what I want to avoid happening to my photos, bob. All my photos are output to fit within tha 1200 max bounding box, with some minor exceptions. I don't trust the gallery to resize them the way I want them to appear.

    And Guy, I participate on at least seven different forums as well and a few mailing lists. Flickr and my own web server are the basis of my posted image management. I won't change that for one small forum. The majority of the audience that follows my work is certainly not on GetDPI... Many of them are people who buy photographs, not camera gear. :-)

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    I'm also having real problems with uploading images to the fora. My old method no longer works (embedded image link in small 1024 image) to get a larger size and uploading 1200 pixel images directly from my desktop are also downsized and resharpened. I'll just wait until this is sorted out before posting more images.

    EDIT: I'm now using the old [IMG] coding to insert linked images and working fine.
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    It can be done at the expense of mobile users which now constitute about 25% of all our page views.
    Where I am most concerned is for those folks who store a very large images some as large as 80 Mpx, where a direct url to the image would cause that entire image to be downloaded to their mobile device and only then scaled by their browser.
    That adds considerable load time when browsing the site by such devices if such large images are referenced.
    I hope that folks will have the good sense not to directly link huge images as it really slows down thread browsing.
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    not a huge deal, but i am noticing the new images shown on the right side seem way over-saturated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    It can be done at the expense of mobile users which now constitute about 25% of all our page views.
    Where I am most concerned is for those folks who store a very large images some as large as 80 Mpx, where a direct url to the image would cause that entire image to be downloaded to their mobile device and only then scaled by their browser.
    That adds considerable load time when browsing the site by such devices if such large images are referenced.
    I hope that folks will have the good sense not to directly link huge images as it really slows down thread browsing.
    -bob
    I make it policy that I upload and link 1200 pixel wide images for in-line viewing, and if a larger representation is needed that is made available by an explicit additional link so that viewers know they will be downloading something big. That way my flickr original upload is always the correct size (typically 125-400K) and renders properly on all devices without too much unnecessary overhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
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    I make it policy that I upload and link 1200 pixel wide images for in-line viewing, and if a larger representation is needed that is made available by an explicit additional link so that viewers know they will be downloading something big. That way my flickr original upload is always the correct size (typically 125-400K) and renders properly on all devices without too much unnecessary overhead.

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    You might be one of the few that does this. I get MANY complaints of slow mobile image downloads.
    If these continue or intensify, then I will be essentially forced to reinstate the "new" way of image management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    not a huge deal, but i am noticing the new images shown on the right side seem way over-saturated
    Yup, it appears that the thumbnails are not color-managed properly. There is no embedded sRBG tags (sigh).
    This is also true for all of the Gallery thumbnails.
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    I have turned off sharpening in thumbnail production.
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    There used to be a dedicated link to the Buy & Sell in the menu bar. I miss this. It saved me some navigation if I wanted to check the B&S directly from one of the fora.
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    Just to say again that my snaps previous to up grade have disappeared. Seems like all who post as thumbnails have suffered such a fate. Woe is us! Thanks for all the hard work Bob et al.

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    We are working toward a resolution to the missing attachments.
    Keep your fingers crossed, but we think it is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I have turned off sharpening in thumbnail production.
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    Thanks Bob. Much better using 1200 pixel wide image links with no additional resizing and sharpening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erudolph View Post
    There used to be a dedicated link to the Buy & Sell in the menu bar. I miss this. It saved me some navigation if I wanted to check the B&S directly from one of the fora.
    Done.
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    bob:

    did you check out the text/background in the search window input box?

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    I thought I did.
    Is it still bad?

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    i just went to the B/S forum and clicked search this forum; still wonky there

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    i just went to the B/S forum and clicked search this forum; still wonky there
    yup it is.
    I was looking at the main search and advanced search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    yup it is.
    I was looking at the main search and advanced search.
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    fixed.
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    thx

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    Quote Originally Posted by rayyan View Post
    Replying to a thread..just gives me a ' quick reply '.

    Too busy a format. My eyes..

    p.s. the only way I found is ' quick reply '; ' Go Advanced '.

    I have to ' press ' the ' Top ' icon 5/6 times before anything happened.
    One of your user preferences is which editor you would like to default.
    Top page near Welcome <username> message is settings
    Then "My Account"/"General Settings"
    Near the bottom of the page under "Miscellaneous Options" you will see the various editor options.
    thanks
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

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    Yup, it appears that the thumbnails are not color-managed properly. There is no embedded sRBG tags (sigh).
    This is also true for all of the Gallery thumbnails.
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    Fixed
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    The font size tonight seems to be smaller again. :-\

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    Which font? Almost every sort of area has its own settings.
    There have been no font changes for the last few days.
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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Which font? Almost every sort of area has its own settings.
    There have been no font changes for the last few days.
    -bob
    The font seemed smaller in the forum lists again, the layout also seemed to have changed.

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    Re: We have upgraded to vBulletin 4 Time for a fresh bug list

    A separate thought:

    Something that's always seemed a little strange to me is that the only place I can get a concise list of 'threads I'm subscribed to that have new activity on them' is in the Settings control panel. That's always what I want to see first when I look in on a forum. Second is 'new activity on the forum in general,' which the New Posts button handles.

    Wouldn't it make sense to have a dedicated button on the main bar for that sort of list? I don't use much else in my Settings area all that often, and the button to get there is in a completely different part of the screen.

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