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    If you don't know who I am, Jack and I started GetDPI with Bob joining later. Anyway I've been missing for quite awhile and I apologize for that. In all truth as a working Pro photographer I just got burned out spending so much time here and it was nothing really intentional. I've gone through quite a few health issues with my wife and myself so that was a huge time suck. We are doing fine but also I think more than anything some interest in photography was lacking some as Bob ,Jack and Guy lost interest and got tired of running this place. Bob bought my share awhile ago and we all have remained friends and such but especially for Jack and Bob running this place has been more work than we wanted to deal with as Bob and Jack really did all of the technical stuff. I wish the new folks well and enjoy it as it is a great place. The one thing that made this place for me was doing the workshops. It meant the world to me but I had to stay home and be the guy around here. So that took its toll on me. But I have great memories . Meet some great folks and made friends for life. Please everyone stay safe and healthy. I'm being very careful as I can not get this virus. Keep GetDPI going. Bless all
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    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    I agree 100% - hence my use of the word discourage.

    There's a time and place for everything, and sometimes such a response will be warranted, but more often than not it's just frustrating to see people ask for help with a relatively simple question ('how do I access this function') only to be met with contact your dealer / reach out to your dealer / work with a dealer ... ad nauseam. It's an internet forum ... we're supposed to help each other, right ? (Rhetorical question).
    I hear you. I think we're on the same page :-)

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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    Great work Jack/Bob/Guy and congratulations Olaf and thank you for helping keep this wonderful place alive. I look forward to the improvements mentioned and will look into becoming a subscriber of your magazine and/or paying directly in here to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Great work Jack/Bob/Guy and congratulations Olaf and thank you for helping keep this wonderful place alive. I look forward to the improvements mentioned and will look into becoming a subscriber of your magazine and/or paying directly in here to help.

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    Thank you so much Pete for your support. It means a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    In one of the recent replies by a dealer, I found myself getting a little frustrated and feeling it was a robocall of sorts. I simply wanted to read all responses to the OP’s question and the dealer’s response was a waste of time unless you were in the market for buying what he was selling. I am looking forward to a new approach to stop the constant trolling for sales from members. Not all dealers do this, but one in particular trolls like a robocaller IMO.
    I find myself grinding my teeth when a dealer instead of answering the question he worms his sales pitch in, like, why don't you give us a call, we have a number of solutions, blah blah blah. To me, that's just sleazy.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Abstraction View Post
    I find myself grinding my teeth when a dealer instead of answering the question he worms his sales pitch in, like, why don't you give us a call, we have a number of solutions, blah blah blah. To me, that's just sleazy.
    In any internet forum, there are posters who present repetitive points of view. If they annoy you, there is the wonderful Ignore function. I usually reserve it for those who attack the person and not the equipment, but some brand boosters cross the line for me and I can choose to no longer hear their spiel. I find a sales pitch from someone who is actually helpful less annoying than incessant "brand X is using 3 year old sensor technology, so their equipment is vastly inferior and their users are stupid." Or the even more frequent "Company X must do (thing I want them to do) to survive." Go to any computer forum for the pure refined substance.

    Even better, one can periodically dip into the ignore pool and see if one's decision needs review. I very seldom find that I chose incorrectly, so for me, the system works well.

    YMMV,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    I agree with the "contact your dealer / reach out to your dealer" phrases but apart from that the guys from the two US dealers add a lot to the forum at least IMO. To ban them would be a shame.

    I also agree with you about the service CI and DT in the US provides. The rest of the world totally falls apart in comparison!

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    I'm not sure anyone was suggesting commercial enterprises should be banned from the forum - certainly I wasn't, and apologies if that was how it was interpreted.

    I was simply suggesting that if an individual or company wants to respond to a post with a sales pitch (easily identifiable by the inclusion of a URL - either in the post itself, or in the signature), then perhaps it was an area that could be considered for monetization for the benefit of keeping the forum up and running (and rewarding in some small measure those who are involved in doing so).

    Whilst it can be infuriating to have to wade through multiple posts in a thread from a dealer who is pitching a (sometimes a totally inappropriate) 'solution' to the OP's problem; see yet another "you should perhaps reconsider making your purchase privately because FUD FUD FUD FUD..." response; have to read more spammy "rather than reach out for help to your fellow photographers, sign up for one of the paid courses we run", if there was some charge for the inclusion of the URL - or perhaps even easier to monitor, charge per click-through - at least if we know there is a direct financial benefit to the forum from having to wade through these posts, and it would be a lot more palatable to have to do so.

    I could be wrong, but I would also imagine that there may well be quite significant SEO benefits for a commercial enterprise to have literally hundreds of links to their site from a high quality forum such as this one.

    It would be remiss of me to close off without acknowledging that in many instances, the advice that is given by dealers can be of value - both to the original poster and other forum members - and I am not questioning the sincere and honest intent behind the posts to provide genuine help. But where that help is directly linked to an attempt to generate revenue for a company, it seems to me perfectly logical that the forum should benefit financially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    In any internet forum, there are posters who present repetitive points of view. If they annoy you, there is the wonderful Ignore function. I usually reserve it for those who attack the person and not the equipment, but some brand boosters cross the line for me and I can choose to no longer hear their spiel. I find a sales pitch from someone who is actually helpful less annoying than incessant "brand X is using 3 year old sensor technology, so their equipment is vastly inferior and their users are stupid." Or the even more frequent "Company X must do (thing I want them to do) to survive." Go to any computer forum for the pure refined substance.

    Even better, one can periodically dip into the ignore pool and see if one's decision needs review. I very seldom find that I chose incorrectly, so for me, the system works well.

    YMMV,

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    Sure, there's always that, but wouldn't an anti-sleaze policy serve everyone well?

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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Abstraction View Post
    Sure, there's always that, but wouldn't an anti-sleaze policy serve everyone well?
    That's the whole problem. No two people agree on the definition of sleaze. I want to choose for myself - not for everyone else.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    I don't find it hard to ignore certain posts and don't use the ignore function on the forum.

    I think this describes my philosophy in that:



    Also in the past several dealers were site sponsors, so I think they did contribute to the site financially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    That's the whole problem. No two people agree on the definition of sleaze. I want to choose for myself - not for everyone else.
    Whoa! I didn't realize that sleaze was so controversial!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    I don't find it hard to ignore certain posts and don't use the ignore function on the forum.

    I think this describes my philosophy in that:
    <snip>

    Also in the past several dealers were site sponsors, so I think they did contribute to the site financially.
    The key phrase being "in the past". And when they withdrew their sponsorship, it was no longer viable for those behind this site to continue running it. Which is precisely what has led us to this juncture.

    When dealers are helping to fund the site, then perhaps it is arguably just a little less unpalatable to endure some of the blatant promotion.

    But when they withdraw that funding and continue the same posting "strategy"? Not so agreeable.

    Just one example -

    In this thread, there are a total of 83 posts. 21 of those from Doug, even though he openly admits that his company's solution is not suitable for the original poster, and I rather suspect it is not suitable for a single independent photographer visiting this forum.

    In those 21 posts are 59 separate links to his company.

    Yes. I counted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post

    Just one example -

    In this thread, there are a total of 83 posts. 21 of those from Doug, even though he openly admits that his company's solution is not suitable for the original poster, and I rather suspect it is not suitable for a single independent photographer visiting this forum.

    In those 21 posts are 59 separate links to his company.

    Yes. I counted.

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    The intention was selling disguised as helping. Never quotes a price when asked multiple times, no, must call for price which is the goal. Just a whole lot of sales pitching, disagreeing with others and arrogance. All for what? So he got his links archived and the forum gets nothing. Well I got a bit frustrated so I did leave the thread with more than I came with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    The key phrase being "in the past". And when they withdrew their sponsorship, it was no longer viable for those behind this site to continue running it. Which is precisely what has led us to this juncture.

    When dealers are helping to fund the site, then perhaps it is arguably just a little less unpalatable to endure some of the blatant promotion.

    But when they withdraw that funding and continue the same posting "strategy"? Not so agreeable.

    Just one example -

    In this thread, there are a total of 83 posts. 21 of those from Doug, even though he openly admits that his company's solution is not suitable for the original poster, and I rather suspect it is not suitable for a single independent photographer visiting this forum.

    In those 21 posts are 59 separate links to his company.

    Yes. I counted.

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    During the thread in which you were counting they were still sponsors, but that's not the point I was trying to make:


    The point is that the title of this thread is "How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive" and it now evolved into I don't want Mr. "X" to do "Y". I think it's off topic, creates negative energy and i.m.o. doesn't do anything to keep GetDPI stay alive.

    My advice is just take Kermit's advice, have a cup of tea, ignore Mr "X" and scroll down to the next post.

    Btw, I also clearly see the backhand sales pitches but just think "why bother" and move on.

    I think it's time to start posting some further positive actions to help GetDPI stay alive, for me that's orders of magnitude more important and enjoyable.
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

    I truly appreciate all your feedback. I am listening and taking notes! Lots of work is going on behind closed doors and significant human resources are being put to work here. We are in the midst of the transition period, which will probably take another week or so. When we start working on some changes I will start a new thread or/and provide you with numerous channels to share your thoughts, concerns and ideas freely and comfortably. For now it is important that we remain calm, measured and nurture what we have here. After all, to stay alive, we need to grow or, at least, not to lose members. This transition is taking place in a very difficult time (COVID-19). Therefore, emotions could run high, I absolutely understand this (I am not without blame but we WE WILL DO IT. Thank you so much for all your ideas and unwavering support. I should be able to have more information for you shortly. P.S. I am getting more involved in some threads. If you notice I post something incorrectly from a technical perspective please feel free to let me know. I am learning Cheers!
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    Well, on that particular thread on camera scanning mentioned the advertising was sort of extreme. I tried to bring it back on topic by summarizing what actually seemed helpful information to me (even though I own a drum scanner and am happy with it).

    Concerning the future: It's great to see that there is work on it ongoing, and I'm sure it's much more than we can imagine from a user point of view, so thank you for that! I am curious, albeit I have to say the current forum works quite well for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by olafphoto View Post
    I truly appreciate all your feedback. I am listening and taking notes! Lots of work is going on behind closed doors and significant human resources are being put to work here. We are in the midst of the transition period, which will probably take another week or so. When we start working on some changes I will start a new thread or/and provide you with numerous channels to share your thoughts, concerns and ideas freely and comfortably. For now it is important that we remain calm, measured and nurture what we have here. After all, to stay alive, we need to grow or, at least, not to lose members. This transition is taking place in a very difficult time (COVID-19). Therefore, emotions could run high, I absolutely understand this (I am not without blame but we WE WILL DO IT. Thank you so much for all your ideas and unwavering support. I should be able to have more information for you shortly. P.S. I am getting more involved in some threads. If you notice I post something incorrectly from a technical perspective please feel free to let me know. I am learning Cheers!

    I can finally sleep well through the night, and look forward to waking up in a glorious morning starting a brand new day with a refreshed GetDPI.

    My most sincere THANK YOU to Olaf and his team.
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    The point is that the title of this thread is "How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive" and it now evolved into I don't want Mr. "X" to do "Y". I think it's off topic, creates negative energy and i.m.o. doesn't do anything to keep GetDPI stay alive.
    What creates negative energy is twisting the words of people into things they haven't said.

    I made it very clear from the outset that I believe this to be an area that could be looked at in order to generate much needed revenue for the forum.

    If it's ok with you for me to have an opinion and express it, my preference would for there to not be a free-for-all where anyone can promote their business without the forum having any benefit.

    I of course respect that you may take the position that permitting dealers to swamp the forum with free advertising will help it stay alive, but I think you are sorely mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    What creates negative energy is twisting the words of people into things they haven't said.

    I made it very clear from the outset that I believe this to be an area that could be looked at in order to generate much needed revenue for the forum.

    If it's ok with you for me to have an opinion and express it, my preference would for there to not be a free-for-all where anyone can promote their business without the forum having any benefit.

    I of course respect that you may take the position that permitting dealers to swamp the forum with free advertising will help it stay alive, but I think you are sorely mistaken.
    About twisting words:
    I never said you weren't allowed to express your opinion, I just said what I thought about it and expressed my opinion on it.

    I never said I was OK for dealers to swamp the forum with advertising, I just said that when they occasionally do post on the line my reaction is "why bother" and move on.

    I said that most dealers who were posting in the topic you counted were active sponsors at the time this happened, but in your selective quote/answer you left this point out.


    But now I'll have a cup of tea and move on, too much negative energy spent on this already.

    Happy shooting and long live GetDPI.

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    Gentlemen,
    A cup of tea sounds like a good idea.
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    Hmmm, that stuff never bothered me and I let it run off as Pegelli mentioned. What does grind a bit is someone who posts the same bloody, even though it's really nice, picture in 4-6 different forums because it was shot on this camera with this lens and has a dog, trees, people, and a car in the background. It's frustrating to see the same pick and it is a waste of the forum's storage space, imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoelM View Post
    Hmmm, that stuff never bothered me and I let it run off as Pegelli mentioned. What does grind a bit is someone who posts the same bloody, even though it's really nice, picture in 4-6 different forums because it was shot on this camera with this lens and has a dog, trees, people, and a car in the background. It's frustrating to see the same pick and it is a waste of the forum's storage space, imho.

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    Well, this forum has always been about photos primarily and cameras/technology secondarily.
    Post your photos please, that is what we are all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoelM View Post
    Hmmm, that stuff never bothered me and I let it run off as Pegelli mentioned. What does grind a bit is someone who posts the same bloody, even though it's really nice, picture in 4-6 different forums because it was shot on this camera with this lens and has a dog, trees, people, and a car in the background. It's frustrating to see the same pick and it is a waste of the forum's storage space, imho.

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    You can rest easy because your concern is misplaced - it doesn't waste the forum's storage space.

    Either the image is hosted elsewhere, in which case it is served by the remote website (so not only is there no forum storage space utilised, but also no forum bandwidth used either), or, if it is uploaded to the user's gallery that is hosted on this site and then attached to a post, then it only needs to be uploaded once, and can then be attached to as many posts as desired, with each post pointing to the same file on the server.

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    Hello forum users

    Since a couple of days I get no more e-Mail notification for the threads I have subscribed to .
    If I go to settings in my profile I find all subscribed thread notifications disabled .
    I can set them on again , but they get wiped out again shortly after .
    Is this due to the GetDPI transfer to Medium Format Forum ? Or is this a bug I can not fix ? ? ?
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    A while ago I posted a bit of a negative thread about mediumformat.com but the reality is that a week later I subscribed. Lots of good info there.

    well worth a look and subscription if this is your thing.
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    A while ago I posted a bit of a negative thread about mediumformat.com but the reality is that a week later I subscribed. Lots of good info there.

    well worth a look and subscription if this is your thing.

    @steve / @doug please stay ...
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    Hello Graham

    No that is not my thing . I made a mistake here .
    I mean Medium Format Magazine . Should I address this to BOB or JACK ? ? ?
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    Re: How Can We Help GetDPI Stay Alive

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    Hello forum users

    Since a couple of days I get no more e-Mail notification for the threads I have subscribed to .
    If I go to settings in my profile I find all subscribed thread notifications disabled .
    I can set them on again , but they get wiped out again shortly after .
    Is this due to the GetDPI transfer to Medium Format Forum ? Or is this a bug I can not fix ? ? ?
    Hello Jurgen,

    We are not in the midst of the transition and there are some disruptions possible. Please let me investigate this issue and I will get back to you. Thank you for your patience.
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    I just reviewed the whole thread again, after being away from it for a few days.

    Welcome, Olaf! and thank you for stepping in with Jack and Bob to take on GetDPI!

    I've been shooting medium format film for eons, just received my first medium format digital camera (Hasselblad 907x Special Edition) and am delighted with it! I'm particularly delighted that can just swap the back onto my 500CM bodies and do photography the classic way. My friend David Hibbard recently let me know about Medium Format Magazine: I was already thinking of subscribing ... This thread has reminded me. Time to click the button!

    My photography going forward is going to remain a mix of formats and types ... I still shoot film, both instant and regular process, in various formats (Minox submini to 6x6 with Hasselblad and others). And I have settled happily on the Leica CL APS-C and the Hasselblad 33x44 format digital cameras, although I still have a couple of FourThirds format digital cameras.

    I look forward to seeing GetDPI flourish further. Jack and Bob have done an amazing job with it for a very long time, it is great to hear that someone else who feels for it will take up the reins and keep it going forward. I will be happy to offer a donation to help with updating and transfer, as means permit.

    Great stuff, really! You've all made my day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I just reviewed the whole thread again, after being away from it for a few days.

    Welcome, Olaf! and thank you for stepping in with Jack and Bob to take on GetDPI!

    I've been shooting medium format film for eons, just received my first medium format digital camera (Hasselblad 907x Special Edition) and am delighted with it! I'm particularly delighted that can just swap the back onto my 500CM bodies and do photography the classic way. My friend David Hibbard recently let me know about Medium Format Magazine: I was already thinking of subscribing ... This thread has reminded me. Time to click the button!

    My photography going forward is going to remain a mix of formats and types ... I still shoot film, both instant and regular process, in various formats (Minox submini to 6x6 with Hasselblad and others). And I have settled happily on the Leica CL APS-C and the Hasselblad 33x44 format digital cameras, although I still have a couple of FourThirds format digital cameras.

    I look forward to seeing GetDPI flourish further. Jack and Bob have done an amazing job with it for a very long time, it is great to hear that someone else who feels for it will take up the reins and keep it going forward. I will be happy to offer a donation to help with updating and transfer, as means permit.

    Great stuff, really! You've all made my day.

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    IMPORTANT UPDATE!

    I appreciate all your ideas and I would like to share some additional thoughts and plans. Please make sure to read my previous update below in this thread!!!

    We are in the midst of the transition period, which will probably take another week or so. I am listening to all your thoughts and ideas and it is wonderful to get to know you. Some of you have contacted me directly with offers of help. It means so much.

    There is no question that some changes need to be made. We will start with a software upgrade and, as discussed with Jack and Bob, we may go with the Cloud version. This is going to be a major undertaking. We really don’t have much choice, as the longer we run on older software the more incompatible we will become with the world updating around us.

    As far as design changes, there will be no “revolution” but the look of the website will change based on the newest version of the same platform. We will be doing some customisation, of course. Again, we don’t aim at “revolution” but some change is inevitable. Making any changes, especially to such an iconic site which you have enjoyed for so long, are not always easy. I know that. I have my own routine on my computer and I really dislike upgrades. It changes my flow and I need to learn the new way, something I don’t have time to do. It is often the case that once we go through the changes, once we learn this “NEW” way, we actually enjoy it. My objective is to allow access to the platform from mobile devices using apps as well.

    We need to do this for two reasons. First, as I mentioned, we have to upgrade to a newer version. Second, more importantly, WE HAVE TO ATTRACT NEW USERS otherwise, as a platform, we will fade away. I am well aware of the risk here. Once we have new and younger members, the dynamics might change on the forum but I am sure we, as a community, can deal with it. To stay alive, we need to grow or, at least, not to lose members.

    As stated in my previous post, we won’t go with a subscription option, but some ideas mentioned here could be introduced at some point, for example, a fee for commercial entities operating on the site or/and a small fee for gear sale postings.

    As mentioned, especially at this initial stage, your help will be crucial. Soon you will find a DONATE button on the right side of the page so we would appreciate your support, especially in these early days.

    I am in touch with Jack and Bob and I am sure they will share their advice and thoughts as they can. There is no question that they “feel” this community much better than I do at the moment, so their opinions carry extra weight in our decision-making process.

    In short, thank you so much for all your ideas and unwavering support. I am listening and taking notes! Lots of work is going on behind closed doors and significant human resources are being put to work here.

    Warm Regards and until the next update,

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    Again - WELCOME Olaf and your help and support is very much appreciated.

    I am confident that you will lead this site into the future with all the necessary changes to stay alive and prosper over the following decade(s). There is never the perfect solution for everybody but certain changes have to be done.

    Cloud is definitely a necessity as is to incorporate mobile devices in a better way! While this is mainly a photography site, I think that video established meanwhile as a clear trend in parallel to just taking photos, so it might be a good idea to open up a bit more to this way of showing the world and emotions around us as well. I also find myself using dedicated Youtube channels more and more for keeping up to date, maybe another possible additional way to move on as a forum.

    I myself use this site since 2007 as my main forum to get and stay in contact with others spread all over the globe who love photography and seek a source to openly discuss and evaluate what works best in that regards. I am positive that you will take all necessary steps to keep this possible in the future
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    What is your definition of commercial entity? For example, is an artist a commercial entity in your opinion? What about countless other examples, such as musician, writer, freelancer, etc.?

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    IMPORTANT UPDATE!

    I appreciate all your ideas and I would like to share some additional thoughts and plans. Please make sure to read my previous update below in this thread!!!

    We are in the midst of the transition period, which will probably take another week or so. I am listening to all your thoughts and ideas and it is wonderful to get to know you. Some of you have contacted me directly with offers of help. It means so much.

    There is no question that some changes need to be made. We will start with a software upgrade and, as discussed with Jack and Bob, we may go with the Cloud version. This is going to be a major undertaking. We really don’t have much choice, as the longer we run on older software the more incompatible we will become with the world updating around us.

    As far as design changes, there will be no “revolution” but the look of the website will change based on the newest version of the same platform. We will be doing some customisation, of course. Again, we don’t aim at “revolution” but some change is inevitable. Making any changes, especially to such an iconic site which you have enjoyed for so long, are not always easy. I know that. I have my own routine on my computer and I really dislike upgrades. It changes my flow and I need to learn the new way, something I don’t have time to do. It is often the case that once we go through the changes, once we learn this “NEW” way, we actually enjoy it. My objective is to allow access to the platform from mobile devices using apps as well.

    We need to do this for two reasons. First, as I mentioned, we have to upgrade to a newer version. Second, more importantly, WE HAVE TO ATTRACT NEW USERS otherwise, as a platform, we will fade away. I am well aware of the risk here. Once we have new and younger members, the dynamics might change on the forum but I am sure we, as a community, can deal with it. To stay alive, we need to grow or, at least, not to lose members.

    As stated in my previous post, we won’t go with a subscription option, but some ideas mentioned here could be introduced at some point, for example, a fee for commercial entities operating on the site or/and a small fee for gear sale postings.

    As mentioned, especially at this initial stage, your help will be crucial. Soon you will find a DONATE button on the right side of the page so we would appreciate your support, especially in these early days.

    I am in touch with Jack and Bob and I am sure they will share their advice and thoughts as they can. There is no question that they “feel” this community much better than I do at the moment, so their opinions carry extra weight in our decision-making process.

    In short, thank you so much for all your ideas and unwavering support. I am listening and taking notes! Lots of work is going on behind closed doors and significant human resources are being put to work here.

    Warm Regards and until the next update,

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    What is your definition of commercial entity? For example, is an artist a commercial entity in your opinion? What about countless other examples, such as musician, writer, freelancer, etc.?
    I am not talking about photographers. It is a very simple and straightforward issue. If I own, let's say a camera strap company and I join the forum. Then, in almost every single entry I talk about my product - it is plain and simple advertising. Some members of this forum pointed this out.
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    I'm curious to see how it works out. In some forums I know this lead to more advertising, in others such people fade away. But here it might be different since medium format photographers are sort of a (more or less) rare species ;-)

    About the fee for the "sales" section, most likely this would decrease the offers / WTB ads quite a bit. So here I'm rather sceptical.
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    About the fee for the "sales" section, most likely this would decrease the offers / WTB ads quite a bit. So here I'm rather sceptical.
    They tried this in the past and it did not work, thus it changed back to free.

    I think they should try making a forum category for dealers. Charge them a fee and members can visit there if they are interested in seeing what the dealers are offering. The dealers could offer discounts to members there and talk on and on about how great their products are without angering members that could care less and do not want to waste their reading time on dealing propaganda.

    I have said in the past, I will gladly pay a fee to not have to read dealer sales pitches. If I have to block people, I will leave a forum as that is not the solution for the camaraderie a forum is good for IMO, YMMV.
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    Olaf, allow me to be the 100th person here to thank you for stepping in to keep GetDPI going, and also Jack and Bob (and Guy) for all that they've done to cultivate such a nice community of photographers. I've had the pleasure of getting to know many of the members here virtually and also a few in person, with whom I've become good friends.

    As for what to do with those "pesky dealers"... While I have found myself annoyed on occasion by what has come off as blatant sales pitches or advice that a reasonable person might construe as such, I should also point out that for every such incident there were countless others where highly valuable advice and information was shared generously and with no strings attached. There are lots of passionate folks here, including people who happen to make their living selling camera equipment, some of whom I've had the pleasure of working with in person, others I've interacted with over email (or here). All are decent folks. While I personally wouldn't mind a cooling of the sales pitches (e.g., "our system is unrivaled in doing x, y or z - give me a call") I think it's a bit of a slippery slope to ban or segregate dealers as a class, lest we lose the opportunity to benefit from their expertise. As with any community, there will be ups and downs and disagreements amongst its members, which as long as the discussion remains civil (which has been a hallmark of GetDPI), from my point of view is just part of the richness of the human experience.

    Just my two ¢.

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    Olaf, allow me to be the 100th person here to thank you for stepping in to keep GetDPI going, and also Jack and Bob (and Guy) for all that they've done to cultivate such a nice community of photographers. I've had the pleasure of getting to know many of the members here virtually and also a few in person, with whom I've become good friends.

    As for what to do with those "pesky dealers"... While I have found myself annoyed on occasion by what has come off as blatant sales pitches or advice that a reasonable person might construe as such, I should also point out that for every such incident there were countless others where highly valuable advice and information was shared generously and with no strings attached. There are lots passionate folks here, including people who happen to make their living selling camera equipment, some of whom I've had the pleasure of working with in person, others I've interacted with over email (or here). All are decent folks. While I personally wouldn't mind a cooling of the sales pitches (e.g., "our system is unrivaled in doing x, y or z - give me a call") I think it's a bit of a slippery slope to ban or segregate dealers as a class, lest we lose the opportunity to benefit from their expertise. As with any community, there will be ups and downs and disagreements amongst its members, which as long as the discussion remains civil (which has been a hallmark of GetDPI), from my point of view is just part of the richness of the human experience.

    Just my two ¢.

    Hope all are staying healthy and safe,

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    Thank you so much John for your kind words and perspective. I am listening carefully. I am also personally in touch with Jack discussing all options and bouncing ideas from him. The only objective here is to make the forum sustainable and thriving.
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    As for what to do with those "pesky dealers"... While I have found myself annoyed on occasion by what has come off as blatant sales pitches or advice that a reasonable person might construe as such, I should also point out that for every such incident there were countless others where highly valuable advice and information was shared generously and with no strings attached. There are lots of passionate folks here, including people who happen to make their living selling camera equipment, some of whom I've had the pleasure of working with in person, others I've interacted with over email (or here). All are decent folks. While I personally wouldn't mind a cooling of the sales pitches (e.g., "our system is unrivaled in doing x, y or z - give me a call") I think it's a bit of a slippery slope to ban or segregate dealers as a class, lest we lose the opportunity to benefit from their expertise. As with any community, there will be ups and downs and disagreements amongst its members, which as long as the discussion remains civil (which has been a hallmark of GetDPI), from my point of view is just part of the richness of the human experience.

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    They tried this in the past and it did not work, thus it changed back to free.

    I think they should try making a forum category for dealers. Charge them a fee and members can visit there if they are interested in seeing what the dealers are offering. The dealers could offer discounts to members there and talk on and on about how great their products are without angering members that could care less and do not want to waste their reading time on dealing propaganda.

    I have said in the past, I will gladly pay a fee to not have to read dealer sales pitches. If I have to block people, I will leave a forum as that is not the solution for the camaraderie a forum is good for IMO, YMMV.
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    The less you change ..the better .
    I generally agree with this right here for the simple reason of that this place has something of an established culture. It’s respectful in general (though yes there’s an occasional “tiff” from difference of opinion and/or misunderstanding of text format) and I wouldn’t want to see that change.

    I agree that drawing new members would generally be a great thing but I also feel that many “younger” people are drawn to the social media platform of the time. I’m not saying it’s impossible but maybe a good method would be to reach out to contacts in academia (though unsolicited feelers may be unwelcome) where visual art students/professors may be interested In this sort of community.
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    As for what to do with those "pesky dealers"... While I have found myself annoyed on occasion by what has come off as blatant sales pitches or advice that a reasonable person might construe as such, I should also point out that for every such incident there were countless others where highly valuable advice and information was shared generously and with no strings attached. There are lots of passionate folks here, including people who happen to make their living selling camera equipment, some of whom I've had the pleasure of working with in person, others I've interacted with over email (or here). All are decent folks. While I personally wouldn't mind a cooling of the sales pitches (e.g., "our system is unrivaled in doing x, y or z - give me a call") I think it's a bit of a slippery slope to ban or segregate dealers as a class, lest we lose the opportunity to benefit from their expertise. As with any community, there will be ups and downs and disagreements amongst its members, which as long as the discussion remains civil (which has been a hallmark of GetDPI), from my point of view is just part of the richness of the human experience.

    Just my two ¢.

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    We've all been able to deal with the "pesky dealers" (tongue in cheek) here on the forum in the past, why start a crusade now?
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    We've all been able to deal with the "pesky dealers" (tongue in cheek) here on the forum in the past, why start a crusade now?
    I fully trust the moderators here to gently tap a "really pesky dealer" on their fingers if it gets too much, for the rest scrolling down is all it takes if you don't like a post.
    Hello. Again.

    Strong sense of déjà vu enveloping me here.

    It's hardly a crusade. Did you even read the discussion to which you have now responded on more than one occasion with the exact same response?

    For the last time.

    In the past dealers sponsored the cost of running the forum. In such a scenario, it's not unrealistic - as I very clearly stated - to expect a bit of quid pro quo and have to put up with some blatant (and often irrelevant) promotion of their wares, alongside - as I very clearly stated - all their positive contributions to the forum.

    Then it was announced that all sponsorship of the site had ceased due to the current situation. The forum was going to close. Olaf kindly stepped in. Suggestions for raising much needed funding were invited.

    Dealers continue to blatantly promote their business, including an instance where a forum member had explicitly stated that they are not interested in using the product that the dealer's revenue stream is reliant on, and no prizes for guessing what happened next. Or do you think a dealer should be free to pimp their paid-for online courses in Capture One in response to an OP who has very clearly stated they don't want to use the software?

    And are you seriously sitting there thinking that I, along with others of a like mind, who have been contributing to this forum for many years, are so emotionally stunted and stupid not to realise that it's possible to simply skip past posts we don't like (immediate instance notwithstanding)?

    Do you think that even if we are capable of conceptualising such a hypothetical action, we are incapable of actually carrying it out to fruition?

    I can only assume that you are sitting there doing just that, because otherwise why feel it necessary to state it yet again?

    Mon dieu.

    How many more times are you going to respond in this thread with the same comment - a comment that adds zero value to the discussion whatsoever?

    Whatever happened to...

    I think it's time to start posting some further positive actions to help GetDPI stay alive, for me that's orders of magnitude more important and enjoyable.
    ...and...

    But now I'll have a cup of tea and move on, too much negative energy spent on this already.
    ..?

    Nobody is on a "crusade" to prevent commercial enterprises from contributing in a positive manner to the forum.

    I, and others, have simply suggested - in response to a plea for suggestions as to how the forum could generate some revenue - that perhaps a way can be found for such commercial enterprises to contribute financially to help ensure the long term viability of the forum, in exchange for them promoting their wares.

    Rest assured that if you do feel it necessary to state once more in this thread that all people need to do if they don't like a post is to skip past and ignore it, that said conjectured post will indeed be skipped past and ignored.

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    Have a tea Gerald. There's just different opinions on this topic and I wasn't reacting to you but to some other people who keep repeating similar arguments in different words. Why can't I throw in my opinion in different words. You've not convinced me and I've not convinced you. So be it, no reason to lecture me, every opinion on this is as valid as another. You've explained yourself clearly, I just don't agree with it.

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    I'm a member of a one marque classic car owners' club.

    That club has a private forum financed by the club's annual subscription.

    It was a vibrant forum but now it is moribund.

    ONE of the reasons that it started to die is that the members of the club who were professional/commercial,
    used to be fairly generous with their advice to members, but that became seen as free advertising and their
    regular contributions were discouraged.

    So they stopped giving of their experience, and hence forum members went looking elsewhere for help/ideas/tips etc.
    and the forum went rapidly downhill.

    I don't say that there are exact parallels here with GetDPI, as I see this forum manly as one for the photographs themselves.
    However the people I know/knew in the club (I say 'knew' as many members left the club as things deteriorated) were all capable of recognising what was blatant self promotion and what was useful information, even if that promotion meant using a product only sold by one supplier.

    None of what I've said above helps with the future financing of this rather unique and really nice place to be .
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    The right to be forgotten is rapidly becoming one of the fundamentals of the web as it moves forward (well, in the EU at least).

    So, as the forum is dragged (technologically) kicking and screaming into the year 2020, could we please have the ability to delete our posts whenever we like. At the minute it can only be done for something like the first couple of days after posting, which is a royal PITA - especially in the buy/sell section.

    Other forums can do it without the whole database imploding, so hopefully GetDPI v2.0 will figure out a way as well.

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    As we have succeeded in "Helping to keep GetDPI stay alive", perhaps this thread could end.

    Congrats to us all!
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    I think the fundamental culture at GetDPI works well. If you are thinking of creating a space that will be 100% perfect for 100% of the members, it will probably fail and certainly does not exist now (see comments above). Success is really if it engages most people and the community thrives.

    As far as change, I am certainly not opposed. This is the natural evolution of every community (and I think community is the operational word). Some change is going to be driven by technical changes. But the change needs to bring a net benefit. (And if you don't think GetDPI has not changed, see the logo and tag line at the top--workshops do not seem to be the central idea of the forums.)

    But what does make GetDPI successful as a whole? We have a very creative community of photographers that share their work and experience. Central to that is the skill represented by the group from those starting out to accomplished professionals. And it is inclusive where everyone feels comfortable sharing without a hostile judgement. It is like a local hangout for photography geeks. (Sure there is friction from time to time, but that is the exception, not the rule (and not all friction is negative). And even the more crusty among us are harmless.) The only thing missing is a bar to order drinks.

    I think Olaf understands the strength of GetDPI is the community. I am happy for him to try new things to support us--partly because he might find something that might make the place better (like update that horrible logo ) and partly because I am not going to be so ungrateful for his efforts to support our community--the gift horse rule. I, for one, am in for the ride.
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    Once again, I would like to thank you for your support, kind words and all the ideas and concerns you have raised with me in the last two weeks. I am listening. Also thank you for coming forward with your pledges of donations to help the website. Starting today you will find the DONATE button on the right side of the page. Your help with financing the website and the much-needed upgrades is greatly appreciated.
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