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    Two new DP1 reviews

    One on Luminous Landscape by Michael Reichmann - http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...igma-dp1.shtml

    and the other by Sean Reid - http://www.reidreviews.com/reidreviews/

    Both are well worth the read (and the fee for Sean's site)

    Thomas

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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

    Too bad MR didn't compare the DP1 to the GRD2 instead of the GX100. The GRD2 has higher IQ than the GX100, plus it has a fixed lens like the DP1.

    I find Reichmann's review misleading since the DP1's images look way better than the Canon G9 or GX100, but the GRD2's raw files would look quite a bit better than Canon's G9 or the GRD2's sister camera. Throw in the GRD2's operational user friendliness, along with more than adequate IQ, and he might have been able to crown a winner.
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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

    I think that there is a typo in MR's review. He used the Casio name instead of the Sigma name in the report.

    He must be testing the Casio EX-F1 also.

    Martin
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    Thanks for mentioning those Thomas.

    Part Two of my review will include comparisons with the GR2 and M8. Part One compares the functionalities of the Sigma and the GR2.

    Cheers,

    Sean

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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

    I thought MR's review of the DP1 was a sharp reality check for many Sigma fans - he certainly didn't sugar coat the criticism, but for those of us who have been experiencing the same frustrations with the UI, MR should be complimented for helping to focus Sigma on coming up with a firmware upgrade quickly.

    All I expect from Sigma is that the User Interface be finished properly and a firmware update released asap.

    I will be collecting my thoughts and suggesting the best improvements over the next few days and weeks - and expect Sigma to be listening now, even more carefully.

    Kind Regards

    Brian

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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

    Sean,

    a fantastic beginning! i particularly loved the two people pics you included -- thank you! you've done a very excellent job, nailing it's strengths and weaknesses (i really loved that your jaw dropped as well when you initially saw the images).

    however, one of the joys of your reviews is you usually come up with some practical workarounds for each camera's "features" (i.e., occasionally giving in and shooting JPEG on the original GRD). there have been some tidbits imparted, but much fewer than usual. will they be coming in the next sections?

    i say much fewer, but it may just be me. i need a lot more assistance with this camera than i ever did with the GRD's (the DP1 is far less forgiving of errors or, perhaps, it's just *so* much easier to tell when you've got it right that i find far fewer possibilities)... i look forward to part two!

    again, many thanks!
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    Hi Cam,

    Thanks. What sort of workarounds are you wondering about?

    Cheers,

    Sean

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    Sean!!

    Great DP1 review so far.

    Looking forward to Part 2.

    Keep up the good work.

    Martin

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    again and again

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_Reid View Post
    Hi Cam,

    Thanks. What sort of workarounds are you wondering about?

    Cheers,

    Sean
    LOL, at this point everything! seriously, i should just shut my mouth. i treasure your reviews because you come up with wonderful gems that i never would have asked about in the first place (you just always seem to know!)... and it ups the value of your site because i can always go back and read it again (and again) and get something out of it (again)
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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

    MR's review was very telling. I am going to subscribe to Sean's site soon and look forward to reading his, too.

    To me it all really boils down to one question though ... do you really want to spend $1,000 just to be able to carry your camera in your pocket?

    My answer would be yes, IF that camera was really fun & intuitive to use and gave me very good results right out of the box. Seems the DP1 doesn't meet those requirements yet.

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    Hi Sean, I know that I've recommended people to consider your review over on dpreview - but I just wanted to thank you for a marvelous effort. I'm really pleased with it - I've been out this morning with the E-420 + 12-60mm lens on the Y-strap, and the DP1 - and the experience was like chalk and cheese wrt usability (as you would expect - comparing a compact camera with a DSLR).

    Anyhow, here's a DP1 shot from that outing - I'm struggling a bit to get a neutral white balance using SPP.



    I'm enjoying the DP1, but after this outing I realise that I'll need a Voigtlander brightline viewfinder for sure... the only question is, what's the difference in viewing accuracy/quality between the 28mm metal, and the 28/35mm minifinder?

    Kind Regards

    Brian

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    Sean, I have been quite busy today, so as I have got I find your review as insightfull as ever, and the samples to be impressive!

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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_Reid View Post
    Thanks for mentioning those Thomas.

    Part Two of my review will include comparisons with the GR2 and M8. Part One compares the functionalities of the Sigma and the GR2.

    Cheers,

    Sean
    Sean,

    Just chimed in on Brian's thread over at DPR and wanted to also come back here and thank you for the DP1 review. Very happy that I finally subscribed to your site, terrific work! I was about ready to write the DP1 off completely after reading MR's review, now I have an entirely different feeling of, "hmmmm, will have to keep watching this one." May someday be a very late adopter when/if I can afford it. Or, more likely, be watching like a hawk for Sigma's next model.

    Looks like lots of late nights ahead reading all of your other articles, too. I've been missing out!

    Regards,
    Joan

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    Brian, Lili and Joan,

    Thank you very much. Most of Part Two is now published and I decided to merge the two parts of the DP1 review for the sake of simplicity. There's a lot of new material up, in case anyone's interested.

    Cheers,

    Sean

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    Nice DP-1 review Sean!!!

    It's pretty crazy all the software hoops you had to go through to compare the RAW files of those three cameras!

    After reading your review, I'm still holding to my position, which is to stick with my Rico and wait to see if a second version of the DP-1 comes out in a few years.

    I noticed some print ADs for the DP-1 in the magazines and I hope Sigma sells a ton of these cool little cameras. And as a result the other manufacturers consider making their own versions of this new kind of camera: the medium sensor compact.

    Levent
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    P.S. I can't wait to read your review of the Nikon D-3!!

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    Thank you. I'd love to see competition among makers with medium sensor compacts and maybe someone will put a rangefinder in one.

    Cheers,

    Sean

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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_Reid View Post
    Thank you. I'd love to see competition among makers with medium sensor compacts and maybe someone will put a rangefinder in one.

    Cheers,

    Sean
    Agree on all of the hoops to compare. In real life shots how much of a pain has it been to use SPP? Much of what you've posted as non "test" shots have been B&W because that is how you saw the shot or because it is hard to get good color? It would be great to see more cameras with a large sensor, sensible controls, fast write times and all the other stuff. I sense that done right people will pay for it. Hopefully the manufacturers are reading the forums!

    Terry

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    Hi Terry,

    It isn't hard at all to get good color from the DP1 but I'm primarily a B&W photographer. I try to make sure that there are various color examples in the camera reviews simply for illustration/example purposes. Very little of my own work is in color unless it is for clients and color is what the client needs (ie: architecture and interiors, editorial, etc.)

    B&W, moreover, isn't really something that I think about on a frame by frame basis - its my main medium unless I am specifically making color pictures (pictures where color plays a specific role). This whole question will be a subject of a future article.

    In twenty + years of work as a photographer, I've only done two personal projects in color: the Daytona wall pictures and a large project about people and malls. Everything else has been B&W.

    The hoops came because only Photo Pro, right now, can handle the DP1 files and that program has limited WB controls.

    Cheers,

    Sean

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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

    Sean, thanks again for another riveting read! One request... could you examine the colour shift from blue to green as the ISO increases?

    Amin has posted a useful set of images here :
    DP1 vs E-420 vs 5D comparison set

    Could this be the reason a profile fix is difficult/impossible? if the blue channel data gets weaker (shift to green) as the ISO increases.

    I would think the DP1 would be great for B&W shooting at high ISO - surely a simple firmware fix to give B&W sidecar jpegs... the LX1 was great for that - you could shoot whatever jpegs and the RAW would remain as full format RAW.

    Kind Regards

    Brian

    p.s. I notice in your ISO comparison set, there's a blue card on the table - it should be easy to see how the blue channel changes throughout the range, but your crop doesn't include a blue reference as far as I can see.
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    Hi Brian,

    Maybe DP1 pictures of the full set of produce at all ISO levels would be useful? I certainly have the source files needed for that.

    Distortion tests coming up for later today.

    Cheers,

    Sean

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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

    Sean,

    wonderful as always, though i can't say i get that excited about fruits (unless i'm eating them). i understand why you did it and appreciate the effort.

    what i would really love to see is a variety of street shots at various ISOs. just DPI. i know you tend to prefer cleaner images so i'm curious as to your opinion. also, whilst there's no way you can have comparative shots from the cameras, i'd be interested to hear what you think about the higher ISO images.

    i'm in the process of trying to find an equivalent to the GRDII's snap focus and not having the best of luck on overcast days. i find myself needing to go up to 800 to compensate the aperture value needed for DOF or shutter speed is too slow. even then, it's a challenge. (note that i'm shooting blindly whilst moving.)

    i know that the DP1 was talked about as a possible street camera, yet i've seen very little on this. you are one of the few reviewers (if not *the* only) that has bothered going into this area.

    thank you!

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    Hi Cam,

    The big difference (with snap focus type work) is that you have a lot less DOF with the DP1 sensor. So, F/8 and a good distance estimation are often needed - just as they are with the M8, etc.

    The high ISO color files from the DP1 are, currently, problematic but they'll work fine for BW.

    Cheers,

    Sean

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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

    i do understand the reasons. this is just my first non small sensor so i'm tackling the learning curve. it's something i'm experimenting with as all the words in the world can't tell me better than my own experience. at this point, i'm leaning towards the GRDII always being in hand with the DP1 always in my purse. that's just suits me and my impatient style better.

    as for ISO, i personally think the 800 is lovely. most of my shots will be b/w so the colour shift doesn't bother me a bit. i find the texture of the noise quite pleasing -- an enhancement rather than a distraction. i just wanted to know *your* feelings.

    cheers.

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    Yes, it would be great to get a sensible perspective on this (not so easy on the dpreview Sigma forum) - if you wouldn't mind revisiting the source files I think it would be very useful.

    Kind Regards

    Brian

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    cam, I tried my DP1 in London earlier in the week and even in very bright sunshine I found it difficult to find a snap focus that worked. I did manage to get a three in focus though :/

    These two and the one I posted in the other thread. There were several shots that my GRD2 would have managed easily that I had to discard though.




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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

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    Looooove the Edge & Attitude in your last two photos
    All the Best, Helen

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    Re: Two new DP1 reviews

    Will, thank you! excellent examples of how good it can be when you get it right. i actually had a higher percentage of in focus shots in the bright sunlight -- but my weak hand tended to decapitate almost everybody i think the problems we're having is being spoiled by the small sensor, more than the camera operation itself.

    and i still stand my flippant observation made earlier, if you take it with a grain of salt. the GRDII and DP1 are the poor man's D300 and M8.

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