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    E-420 or E-510?

    i'm asking this on behalf of my boyfriend who, up until now, has been a Canon guy (10D and G9). he's seriously looking at the Oly's and wants to purchase one on holiday in May.

    we've slogged through the DPR forum but it's painful... any gut reactions? any info on if the E-520 may appear?

    we are going to NYC, Sonoma, and then driving down the coast to L.A. he'll be using the camera a lot. size for him (unlike me) is not so much an issue. also, any mid-priced lens suggestions would be appreciated. preferably not that big but sharpness is a must.

    thank you in advance.

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    Cam, if size is no issue, then I think the E-5xx series is the one to get because of the image stabilization. I've seen a couple indicators that the E-510 replacement is coming. Can't recall the links right now, but I'll dig them up. None had a release date though, so I don't know if it'll come before your trip. All the Oly standard zooms are sharp. If size/weight/price are no issue, then from a performance/versatility standpoint 12-60 > 14-54 > 14-42. The 14-54 is a nice compromise, being significantly less expensive than the 12-60 and a better performer than the 14-42. I'm happy with the 14-42; but if my emphasis weren't so much on compact size, I'd have gone with one of the other two, which aren't that large either.

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    thank you, Amin! he'd actually decided on the E-420 initially and i made him take a second look at the E-510. i've heard really good things about the IS.

    i was reading rumours about the first/second week in May for the E-520 and we get to NYC on the 6th. how soon do Oly release after they announce?

    as for lens, how much bigger is the 12-60 than the 14-54? he doesn't know it yet but i'm getting him the lens as an early b-day present (50th). while i'm all for spending less money, if the size difference isn't huge i might spend more $$$.

    and another thank you for your wonderful comparisons. it made me feel a lot better about only having the DP1 to compete with his new toy

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Hi Cam,

    I'm thinking the E-510 will continue to fall in price leading up to the introduction of the replacement (mockups have been seen from Japan). If you are comfortable shooting RAW, the E-510 would be a bargain - spend the money you save on a superb 12-60mm SWD lens. It's actually a damned fine lens to go with the E-510 (even works incredibly well, in my experience on the E-420 - you just hold the combination below its' centre of gravity - the lens next to the camera).

    There's no sign of the replacement to the E-510 appearing yet. I'd guess it's some weeks away (pure educated guess - I'm covering a lot of forum ground at the moment!)

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    Whoops, I was typing as you posted... Cam - don't write off the E-420 as an alternative to the E-510 - it's more flexible, more compact, better IQ and you can live without IS given good technique and it's slightly better high ISO performer, slightly better DR too.

    On the other hand, if your partner prefers a larger camera - the E-510 is the way to go.

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    On the other hand, if your partner prefers a larger camera - the E-510 is the way to go.
    i'm the one for whom size matters!!!

    thank you, Brian. i am asking opinions after all. if you have the time to elaborate, i'd be greatly beholden.

    i'd personally get the E-420 or the E3 for it's weather-proofing, etc. -- but that's if it was me. i told him to take a look at the E-510 as i'd heard really good things about the IS and it seemed to be a more popular camera. as one who's never used a camera, i've honestly no idea on what difference it makes...

    your take on the lenses?

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    It's *all* about the superb Olympus ZD lenses - you can't go wrong investing in the 12-60mm SWD, and perhaps add the 50mm macro... if you really get ambitious, there's the 50-200mm SWD and 1.4x Teleconverter to give you a wildlife shooting kit too!

    Personally, I'd recommend anyone buy the last generation of body - the blow out sales are ridiculous! you can buy 2 x E-410's for the price of a single DP1 in the UK!

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Don't choose camera before you know what lenses you want. If you want something long and slow, like the 70-300, there's probably no way around IS, while most would be able to live happily with the 12-60 and no IS. Another factor is the the E-420 seems to be a bit less noisy at high ISO, so you gain at least some of what you lose by not having IS.

    Most people would probably also prefer the 510 with heavy, long lenses like the 50-200 because of the better grip, but again, those things are highly individual.

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    thank you, Brian. that's why he's getting it in the states -- good exchange rate.

    thank you, Jorgen, good advice! i think he's going to be keeping with the 12-60 at most. and he (unlike me) is obsessed with noise so that's another thing to bring to his attention.

    good posts, all! truly i appreciate all the help. if you think of anything else to consider, i'd love to hear it.

    and if he gets the E-420, i definitely plan on getting the new pancake so i can use it too

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    as for lens, how much bigger is the 12-60 than the 14-54? he doesn't know it yet but i'm getting him the lens as an early b-day present (50th). while i'm all for spending less money, if the size difference isn't huge i might spend more $$$.
    It's about 30% heavier, similar width, and just over 1cm longer. I don't consider those to be significant differences and would certainly spring for the 12-60 if it were within budget. Very considerate of you!

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    and another thank you for your wonderful comparisons. it made me feel a lot better about only having the DP1 to compete with his new toy
    Thanks for reading them! Regarding your boyfriend's obsession with noise, I completely agree with what Jorgen said about the balance between E-510 IS and the high ISO noise improvements in the E-420. However, I'd add that depending on how deep that obsession goes and how often he plans to shoot handheld in low light, Oly may not be the best choice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by asabet View Post
    It's about 30% heavier, similar width, and just over 1cm longer. I don't consider those to be significant differences and would certainly spring for the 12-60 if it were within budget. Very considerate of you!

    Thanks for reading them! Regarding your boyfriend's obsession with noise, I completely agree with what Jorgen said about the balance between E-510 IS and the high ISO noise improvements in the E-420. However, I'd add that depending on how deep that obsession goes and how often he plans to shoot handheld in low light, Oly may not be the best choice...
    thank you. that was my take on the 12-60 as well, without actually having seen one. and, well, my BF really deserves it. he's been a trouper through my arm surgeries. i also want him to get excited about photography again (he really hasn't been thrilled with the G9) so i don't get in trouble with my own

    which actually brings up another question. i've been trying to convince him that RAW is better, but he's a wee bit stubborn. which of the cams has better JPEGs?

    as for your comparison, i thought it was brilliant. it was more real world than most comparisons out there, so even if it wasn't as technically accurate -- it's much more to my liking.

    as for noise obsession, it is there but not *that* deep. he might test it out in horrible light conditions to bitch and moan about it, but for the most part he shoots in very good light... are you happy with it catching snaps of your kids and the like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    thank you. that was my take on the 12-60 as well, without actually having seen one. and, well, my BF really deserves it. he's been a trouper through my arm surgeries. i also want him to get excited about photography again (he really hasn't been thrilled with the G9) so i don't get in trouble with my own
    If only my wife...

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    which actually brings up another question. i've been trying to convince him that RAW is better, but he's a wee bit stubborn. which of the cams has better JPEGs?
    Not sure, but I'd guess the E-420 given the stated improvements in white balance, dynamic range, and shadow adjustment technology.

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    as for your comparison, i thought it was brilliant. it was more real world than most comparisons out there, so even if it wasn't as technically accurate -- it's much more to my liking.
    Very kind of you. I actually think that even though I can't put a number on the results, the impression given is more accurate than many of the tests being reported. For example, a well known site recently posted a review with graphs showing that the Nikon D3 has less DR than the E3, which doesn't agree with the real world reports we're getting from a number of folks who would know.

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    as for noise obsession, it is there but not *that* deep. he might test it out in horrible light conditions to bitch and moan about it, but for the most part he shoots in very good light... are you happy with it catching snaps of your kids and the like?
    I'm very happy with the E-420. Not only for family snaps, but for more thoughtful work as well.

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    Nikon D300. Noise is not an issue, or so I read.

    (ain't I a stinker?)
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    I don't know about the D300 body, but as I said above... it's *all* about the lenses... sensor technology is becoming less and less of a differentiator - they're all great!

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    Maggie -- he's not willing to spend that kind of money right now. he's going for an Oly and, as Brian recommends, a great lens.

    Amin -- sorry about your wife. you'll have to dump her and marry me (just kidding) again, many thanks for your input. it may come down to whether he can even get the E-420... can't seem to find it here in Paris (he wanted to see which camera felt right in his hands) and isn't expected to arrive in the US until the 20th... we get into NYC on the 6th. where did you get yours?

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    Can you get the Leica 4/3 lens for the Digilux separately? I bet that'd be some sweet glass.

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    Can you get the Leica 4/3 lens for the Digilux separately? I bet that'd be some sweet glass.
    huh? confused, sorry.

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Yes, Maggie... yes you can buy the Leica 4/3rds lenses seperately to the Panasonic bodies. The 14-150mm OIS is particularly good - here's an example :



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    Gorgeous!

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    jaw-dropping! it's like 3D.

    but i still don't get what you're all talking about. help!!!

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    It's a lens, made by Leica and Panasonic, for the 4/3rds system. It would work with an Olympus camera, too.

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    It's a lens, made by Leica and Panasonic, for the 4/3rds system. It would work with an Olympus camera, too.
    There are actually 4 Leica/Panasonic lenses for 4/3 at the moment: 25, 14-50, 14-50 and 14-150. If Brian and his photos are to be believed, the 14-150 runs circles around other mega-zooms for DSLRs. It's expensive, but hey, it's only money

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    cam, welcome to the world of Olympus colours! lol

    ...that shot was taken with the E-420 + the Leica 14-150mm OIS lens, which Mike Hatam has recently ordered as part of his travel kit... so hopefully we'll see lots more examples in due course.

    The question, I think Maggie was asking, was whether the Leica OIS lenses were available seperate to the bundles with the L1/L10... I think they are, but to be honest, the 12-60mm SWD is imho a better option for the short zooms - the 4/3rds Leica primes and the Leica 14-150mm OIS are certainly available seperately - and well worth adding to any 4/3rd kit. (edit : doh! didn't read this 2nd page of responses, thanks Maggie, Jorgen

    I suspect the 14-150mm OIS zoom will be getting some gorgeous shots of big cats this weekend... provided the sun is with us (otherwise we'll be shooting with the weatherproof E-3 + ZD combinations! lol)

    p.s. the 14-150mm OIS could just be the best ever travel lens for the E-420, providing optical image stabilisation and supreme image quality for an EFL of 28-300mm - although, I think I prefer the 12-60mm SWD - it's bombproof, and super sharp!

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    thank you so much -- Maggie, Jorgen, and Brian.

    Brian -- i'm really amazed that was on the E-420. i was positive it was taken with the E3. we'll go for the 12-60mm initially, but it's great to know that there is such an awesome lens available. (you know i'm going to have to borrow the cam )

    i look forward to seeing the shots you get of the cats with it this weekend!

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    One thing people seem to miss about the E-420, it's a super compact DSLR with an E3(arguably +) sensor...

    so I find myself preferring to attach even my larger lenses to the E-420, because the body size has a significant effect on the overall bulk - the body just becomes an insignificant attachment to the lens.

    The plastic kit lenses (ultra compact 14-42 and 40-150) are excellent optically, but the 12-60mm and similar - though more expensive deliver their worth in image quality... you can always add more by investing in better quality glass.

    Hope that makes sense, your BF will love his E-420... if he can get it away from you cam

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    LOL! this is *his* purchase!

    i'm really bummed that the bundled kit with the pancake won't be out til too late, as that's what i'd likely use

    i also am having to coax him back softly to the E-420. seems he read somewhere that the grip on the E-510 is nicer and he's convinced it will fit much better in his hands.


    on the plus side, if i don't succeed but like the gestalt of his E-510, i can always get the E-420 myself and know that we've got some really good lens to swap.

    i have become obsessed with lenses after getting the DP1 (i'd been afraid that would happen). at least i'll have that to piddle around with on holiday.

    btw, Brian. you and i take completely different photographs, but i do admire what you do. they show how astonishing the lenses can actually be, whereas i go for more expressive shots which muddy the water. i'd love to go on Safari with you sometime, though, just to try my hand.

    cheers!
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    Amin -- sorry about your wife. you'll have to dump her and marry me (just kidding)
    My wife already dislikes the amount of time I spend discussing cameras and photography. Now if she sees this...

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    it may come down to whether he can even get the E-420... can't seem to find it here in Paris (he wanted to see which camera felt right in his hands) and isn't expected to arrive in the US until the 20th... we get into NYC on the 6th. where did you get yours?
    I got mine from 17th St Photo (17photo.com). It was my first purchase from them, and based on that experience I would buy there again. They are located in NY and currently have it in stock. B&H has it as well, so you have at least those two options for buying in NYC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asabet View Post
    My wife already dislikes the amount of time I spend discussing cameras and photography. Now if she sees this...
    blackmail!

    I got mine from 17th St Photo (17photo.com). It was my first purchase from them, and based on that experience I would buy there again. They are located in NY and currently have it in stock. B&H has it as well, so you have at least those two options for buying in NYC.
    thank you! that's what i was looking for -- somebody that had the body only so we could buy the better lens.

    unfortunately, he's back on the riff that IS on the E-510 will allow him to shoot lower ISO which will mean less noise and everyone knows the best photographs in the world were shot at 400/800 max.

    i'm close to giving up trying to be of any assistance... and i still haven't told him about the DP1. yikes! i am in soooo much trouble

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    blackmail!


    thank you! that's what i was looking for -- somebody that had the body only so we could buy the better lens.

    unfortunately, he's back on the riff that IS on the E-510 will allow him to shoot lower ISO which will mean less noise and everyone knows the best photographs in the world were shot at 400/800 max.

    i'm close to giving up trying to be of any assistance... and i still haven't told him about the DP1. yikes! i am in soooo much trouble
    Dunno about blackmail, but you proposed to ME last week (what WOULD your boyfriend think about all of this!).


    I'm chipping in here - I think Brian's right about 4/3, it's all about the lenses. IMHO the 12-60 is one of the best and most useful lenses you can get on any system. It's also the reason why Maggie's remark about the D300 is problematic - it seems to me that Nikon have a real hole in their lineup for good quality mid range lenses . . of course, if you want to buy/carry the new f2.8 zooms that's QUITE a different proposition.

    If you're going to buy him a lens, get the 12-60 rather than the 14-54. I have both, and although the quality is probably similar that extra bit of reach at each end on the 12-60 really is telling.

    It's really a pity that the E520 isn't around - the size difference between the E4x and the E5x really only amounts to the size of the grip, and the image stabilisation works so well, but it seems to me that the E420 does have a considerably better sensor than the E510.

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Dunno about blackmail, but you proposed to ME last week (what WOULD your boyfriend think about all of this!).


    I'm chipping in here - I think Brian's right about 4/3, it's all about the lenses. IMHO the 12-60 is one of the best and most useful lenses you can get on any system. It's also the reason why Maggie's remark about the D300 is problematic - it seems to me that Nikon have a real hole in their lineup for good quality mid range lenses . . of course, if you want to buy/carry the new f2.8 zooms that's QUITE a different proposition.

    If you're going to buy him a lens, get the 12-60 rather than the 14-54. I have both, and although the quality is probably similar that extra bit of reach at each end on the 12-60 really is telling.

    It's really a pity that the E520 isn't around - the size difference between the E4x and the E5x really only amounts to the size of the grip, and the image stabilisation works so well, but it seems to me that the E420 does have a considerably better sensor than the E510.
    what can i say, Jono, i'm a slut.

    i think i proposed to Maggie before that. (problem being that you'll only marry me if you can live in Paris and i'm kind of not here officially...) and i proposed to frenchman today in the camera store who was buying a nice Pentax for his girlfriend. he told me that was the french way of things -- it makes her happy so he buys.... but i got a Scot

    thank you for input. i know he wants it for this holiday, but if it was me i would wait for the E-520 as well. he's having none of it. and if he ends up giving me his hand-me-down in the future because he's enjoying the Oly system, i'd rather have the E-420 with the option to buy an IS lens....

    as for the 12-60mm, don't think that's happening either. he thinks it looks really ugly when it extends

    i'd be going a little more mad if it wasn't for having a joyous day on Beaumarchais playing with an RD-1 for sale -- sweet! now if only i could get that frenchman to marry me....

    but with you, Jono, i could... was it the black?


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    oh, and, Amin, sent Alex in Italy to your site. his brother is very interested in using the DP1 for aerial photography out of a helicopter
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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Hi cam,

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    .... but i got a Scot
    we know how you feel, we've got a Scot running the country! (I was going to say something less politically correct... but I remembered this was a public forum)

    Sounds like a great plan... let him buy the E-420, and pass it on to you in due course

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    hey Cam
    I've got a SCOT toooooo....

    So what is this about the RD1 for sale???
    How was it ? Did the Lust Bug bite ?
    I can only find the RD on Ebay in Japan
    & I'm not that daring to do business that way........

    Best,h
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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    we know how you feel, we've got a Scot running the country! (I was going to say something less politically correct... but I remembered this was a public forum)

    Sounds like a great plan... let him buy the E-420, and pass it on to you in due course


    looks like it's going to be an E-510 so.... but at least he's gone back to quality over beauty, and the 12-60mm is back in the picture (whoever gave it an award, bless you!).

    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    I've got a SCOT toooooo....

    So what is this about the RD1 for sale???
    How was it ? Did the Lust Bug bite ?
    I can only find the RD on Ebay in Japan
    & I'm not that daring to do business that way........
    ach, poor you!

    lust? actually yes and no. yes because i do, no because i know i shouldn't... i really don't have the money maybe if i wasn't buying the lens for my Scot... think i may start a new thread on this. with summer and shadows coming up and my arm (hopefully) healing, i'm really wanting to get more into available light stuff. the RD-1 does exquisite, very film-like, b/w and can really stand up to high ISO. and i loved the way it felt, cocking the shutter...

    oops! said i was going to start another thread. shut my mouth! off to sleep now. shot a lot today and my arm is screaming. (another reason i liked the RD-1, though -- it felt so damned good in my left hand whilst shooting that it was actually much less stressful than my teensy cams to shoot. go figure!

    bonsoir

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    Amin,

    just a quickie for recommending 17th St. we got off the plane, went to B&H and they didn't have a 12-60 to play around with so we walked... to 17th St. he is now the proud owner of an E-510 (very nice grip, btw) and a 12-60 beautiful lens.

    currently in hotel room, ready to slit his wrist trying to open the card plastic without scissors he may get it open before we leave new york.

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    Hi cam, how exciting! that should be a fabulous combination... will he be shooting JPEG or raw? I think you get quite a bit more DR in RAW, due to the contrasty tone curves used for JPEG - although there are settings you can use to maximize DR in JPEG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Hi cam, how exciting! that should be a fabulous combination... will he be shooting JPEG or raw? I think you get quite a bit more DR in RAW, due to the contrasty tone curves used for JPEG - although there are settings you can use to maximize DR in JPEG.
    he'll be shooting RAW, but seems to have gotten small cards and may have to revert to JPEG for long days out. any recommendations for those times would truly be appreciated.

    btw, the grip really is gorgeous to have with the larger lens. mind you, i don't really have the strength to use it right now anyways, but he seems to be a happy puppy.

    NYC is just heavenly to shoot! i feel like a kid in a candy bowl

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    I hope you will post some pics

    I'll get back to you on those ideal jpeg settings... just checking now.

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    i don't think he's going to let me touch his baby today

    as for me, didn't even pull out the DP1 yesterday. all GRDII shots. the few times i could have used the DP1 it took to long to start up. hopefully today, but i'm not really bitching. i had a blast and that's what it's all about.

    as i said in another thread, colour has been a big thing for me here which is really an odd sensation. it will be quite interesting to compare the colours of the GRDII, DP1, and the Oly. somehow, i'm thinking that the hyper colours of the two compacts might win out for expression in the city. we shall see...

    and p.s. to Helen (i know you're lurking). were both passed out when you rang thought it was the middle of the night and it was only about 15 minutes after we hit the sheets

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Hi cam, make sure you keep your battery charged on the DP1 (do you have a spare?)... and have you configured the power down option to stop it retracting your lens? that will save you time if you're street shooting...

    What lens did you BF end up getting? if the 12-60, how does it go with the E-510? is it well balanced?

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    battery charged but need to find extras here (unavailable in france). i have it set to not power down, but frankly it was never even turned on yesterday i was having too much fun with the quicker cam.

    he got the 12-60 and it feels superb on the E-510. i imagine the balance is much better than it would be on the E-420. the lens just seems too much for the E-420, but just about perfect for the E-510 and the E3. i sent him out to take pics outside and may have lost him for the day

    if he ever comes back we're off to GRound Zero and a ride on the Staten Island Ferry. this is his first NYC visit and i'm just marveling in the changes since i lived her in the early 80's. i've been here several times since, mind you, but always for work at trade shows so i never got a chance to troll. the changes are astounding.

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    Hi cam, I've found that the large lenses all work great on the E-420, in fact the camera sort of 'takes on' the character of the lens attached (since it's so light) - so fitted with the 12-60mm SWD it feels really fantastically 'solid'... even the shutter release sounds more damped (not surprising really!)

    You don't so much put the lens on the camera... rather it's like putting the camera on the lens

    Anyhow, having consulted with my expert E-510 owning, jpeg shooting friend Adam-T... here are the optimum jpeg settings, straight from the horse's mouth

    "Muted mode on Sharp-2, Cont -1, Sat +2 and NF on OFF and Sharpened in Photoshop ..

    Muted mode reduces stuff in itself so those settings are like normal mode with Sharp-3 (which doesn`t exist) Cont -2 and Sat +2 and the NF even more off ..basically in Normal mode, even with the Sharpness on lowest, there are still crude haloes so Muted is needed .. ."

    Hope you can make sense of that

    And let us know if your BF finds his way home

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    By the way...

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    battery charged but need to find extras here (unavailable in france). i have it set to not power down, but frankly it was never even turned on yesterday i was having too much fun with the quicker cam.
    ...that's what it feels like when you have the E-420 + pancake fitted - super responsive, ready to go and no fuss! And it fits in the large pocket of my photographers vest easy

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    Re: E-420 or E-510?

    thank you for all the info, Brian.

    today we ran into an experience where you want/need an SLR with great a great lens and fast responsiveness. BF got amazing pics and me, with my 28mm (even the DP1), was **** out of a luck. and then earlier there was a troupe of acrobats at Battery Park... sigh... the Oly was amazing!

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