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    Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Its supposed to have a very "new and advanced sensor"...arent all new cameras advertised like this?
    It could be very cool.

    http://43rumors.com/ft4-panasonic-lx...he-new-sensor/

    Shall we start the wish list?

    - Larger sensor (all those waiting for a micro 4/3 sensor can forget about it...Pana will release ANOTHER compact camera with a micro 4/3 sensor and a fixed lens later)
    - Better dynamic range
    - Better iso performance
    - Faster AF
    - Smaller more compact body (I want to be able to comfortably put it in my jeans pocket)
    - Front wheel ring control
    - Longer zoom range
    - Faster lens (f1.8)
    - Get rid of that freaking removable lens cap!!!
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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Has anyone on this Board tried the Samsung? http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsungtl500/

    The users are already posting wonderful reports on the forums: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=35792251

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    It's already live on the panny website:

    http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...00000000005702

    Listed specs:

    DMC-LX5K
    New! 10.1 Megapixel Digital Camera
    F2.0 Leica DC Summicron Lens
    For all camera user who loves photography and pursuing image quality
    1/1.63" High Sensitivity 10 megapixel CCD with evolved sensor technology
    Realized industry top level image quality in compact digital camera
    Creative photography
    My color mode, Manual exposure even in movie mode.
    HD Movie Recording - AVCHD Lite

    There's also a white version.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    That link says:

    Sorry. The model you requested is not eligible for sale for your sales program.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Vivek,
    Me thinks you'll find this camera before I do....but I'm lookin'...
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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Don, What I am looking for is the G3 (with no video ) and a 14/2.5 prime. Together with that, a decent, reliable flash of the sophistication/utility of the Samsung SEF20A would make me very very satisfied.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    lx 5 24-90 this is what I wanted over the lx3 a longer lens cool

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Underwhelming. Trying to stretch the lifecycle of small sensor products.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Don, What I am looking for is the G3 (with no video ) and a 14/2.5 prime. Together with that, a decent, reliable flash of the sophistication/utility of the Samsung SEF20A would make me very very satisfied.
    Well, when you find it, get me a set too.....

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    Hi Rawfa,

    You've probably read the specs on the Panasonic site and the corrections on the rumours site by now. In that light, let me look at some of your wishes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    - Larger sensor (all those waiting for a micro 4/3 sensor can forget about it...Pana will release ANOTHER compact camera with a micro 4/3 sensor and a fixed lens later)
    I'm sorry. Reality has caught up with the rumours site and it seems that physics were right when they said it couldn't be done. Also, 43 as a standard states a lens mount, not a fixed lens. I would really have liked a fixed lens 43 camera with a range like the LX3, too. But frankly, I'm glad I decided to order an E-P1 before any of the announcements were made. No more anxiety, just a short wait until it arrives and I can go back to work.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    - Better dynamic range
    - Better iso performance
    I'm curious to see how the LX5 will handle high ISO. On another forum, somebody mentioned that R+B would be read twice and G would be made twice as sensitive. That's a different way of implementing high ISO than pixel binning. We'll soon know if it works.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    - Smaller more compact body (I want to be able to comfortably put it in my jeans pocket)
    It seems the body is a bit larger, but not as deep, as the LX3's. Do note that Panasonic now states the depth including the lens (not excluding like the LX3 !) With the released specs, I'm quite certain you'll need to have a very big pocket before it fits.

    I found the LX3 to be too large to comfortably carry in my pants. Since that meant I had to carry a small bag during summer, I decided that I might as well replace my LX3 by an E-P1 when the former broke. The E-P1 is smaller and lighter than my SLRs (Olympus OM) and rangefinder (Zorki) and it doesn't make most of the compromises that a real pocketable camera does. We'll see.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    - Front wheel ring control
    - Faster lens (f1.8)
    Nope.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    - Longer zoom range
    Yep. But I don't know if this is a good thing. With its wide angle zoom, the LX3 was clearly a niche product. That means that most users who suffer from featuritis will immediately forget about its existence by merely looking at the specs. By introducing a 25-90 zoom, we immediately see that hawks from the superzoom and the EVIL camera worlds are swooping down and picking on the fact that the camera doesn't have a real zoom (like theirs does), that the LX5 is really much bigger than their Sony NEX, and so on.

    I don't know if Panasonic will sell more cameras now that it has a longer zoom, but I don't really appreciate the extra attention.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    - Get rid of that freaking removable lens cap!!!
    Coming from a 1980s SLR, I don't understand the problem. Part of the fun of photography surely is to unconsciously remove the lens cap, stow it in one of the many coat and pant pockets, work away, then spend 15 minutes frantically searching through all pockets to find back the cap ?


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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Puff....Ill buy the LX3 back again before I buy this camera.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Puff....Ill buy the LX3 back again before I buy this camera.
    Doesn't it all depend on whether it really is good at high ISO?
    Still, I now completely doubt the existence of the small fixed lens 4/3 lens camera - but I do accept the possibility of a new compacter 4/3 cam in the autumn.

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    Hi Rawfa,

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Puff....Ill buy the LX3 back again before I buy this camera.
    Yeah, I know the feeling. I expect high ISO will be pretty good, though. The EVF will be interesting for those who want that, but I'm not. And the longer lens is not an advantage in my opinion: I'd rather have a 21-48/f2 because it'll be clearly a niche product that divides people between understanders and others.

    But, I'm very happy to say that for me, the decision has become really quite obvious ! I'm not going to buy the LX5. I could've been seduced by it after dropping y LX3 (lens stuck). After I told the repair shop I wasn't planning on paying 408 for a repair and please send it back, it turns out the lens now works again. So, I got a repair for around 40 + shipping. And I already ordered my E-P1+17 kit, too. Those two should be enough toys for the next few years (except for the fast primes that will be announced, and then a lensbaby, and an E-P2 body for the EVF, and and and )

    I still wonder what they were going to ask another 360 for...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Doesn't it all depend on whether it really is good at high ISO?
    Still, I now completely doubt the existence of the small fixed lens 4/3 lens camera - but I do accept the possibility of a new compacter 4/3 cam in the autumn.
    It depends on lots of things and most of them were not addressed. This sounds more like the LX3.1 than the LX5. But who knows...Ill be happy to be wrong.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Two things on the LX5 launch that appear interesting.
    1) the change in controls away from the joystick to GF1 handling. Sounds Good
    2) the new step zoom which will take the user from 24 mm to 28, 35, 70, 90mm automatically in steps. This was a great Ricoh feature.

    Here are the official details. This camera looks very promising. The samples look good and reading between the lines the person reading the preview thought it was going to be hard to get your hands on.

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/1007/10...onicdmclx5.asp

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/1007/10...lx5gallery.asp

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    The price is 500$. For that kind of money you can buy a second hand GF1, EP1, EPL1...and for 50$ more you can buy the NEX3 with the pancake. If they had only made it smaller you could maybe justify that it was a jeans pocket camera and the other cameras weren't but they didn't even do that. Quesabesde has posted a iso 1600 comparison and it's a bit better but not a world apart. The only good thing to come out of this is the drop in prices for the LX3 (if its not taken out of circulation) .

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    The price is 500$. For that kind of money you can buy a second hand GF1, EP1, EPL1...and for 50$ more you can buy the NEX3 with the pancake.
    Hi Rafa
    well, it's a degree of magnitude smaller than anything other than the NEX with a pancake . . . which is missing from 22-90 - and it has a reasonably large range zoom. the F2 makes up a stop for low light.

    I think it's a different beast really, this is a small segment of the market, and whether one wants one or not it seems to be a welcome addition.

    It'll be interesting to see whether Leica do a d-lux5

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    I agree with Jono. The reactions now are probably quite similar to when Panasonic introduced the LX3: that's not really a follow-up of the LX2, is that all, can't they do better ? I'm pretty sure the LX5 will be a very nice camera to use. On DPReview, a reviewer already mentioned the UI was much improved and very close to the GF1. Sounds like another evolutionary step for a photographer's camera: nothing fancy you can get out of the specs, just a good solid offering when you use it.


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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    The LX3 was a world apart better than the LX2. I had high hopes for the LX5. Im looking forward to a good jeans pocket camera but Ive been spoiled by the quality of cameras such as the EP1 and the GF1 and have prooven that it wont take long to fit an even better sensor into an even smaller body.
    At the moment Ill just wait for the rumored compact micro 4/3.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    The LX3 was a world apart better than the LX2. I had high hopes for the LX5. Im looking forward to a good jeans pocket camera"
    I think the only really good jeans pocket camera is probably the S90. The others are just that little bit larger.

    But the LX5 is much as I expected. There really aren't any technological miracles that have occurred over the past 2 years that warrant some totally new miracle camera. But they took most the niggling problems and appeared to have fixed them, scroll wheel instead of joystick, slightly longer lens, 1:1 easily accessible, supposedly better menus, supposedly better ISO, etc.

    They took one of the best cameras in the class and made it a bit better. While we all might want something radically different, it looks to me like they really listened and upgraded the LX3 in the way people were asking but without coming out with an entirely different sort of camera. If you are good with a small sensor camera, it looks to me like Panny has raised the bar once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Two things on the LX5 launch that appear interesting.
    1) the change in controls away from the joystick to GF1 handling. Sounds Good
    2) the new step zoom which will take the user from 24 mm to 28, 35, 70, 90mm automatically in steps. This was a great Ricoh feature.

    Here are the official details. This camera looks very promising. The samples look good and reading between the lines the person reading the preview thought it was going to be hard to get your hands on.

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/1007/10...onicdmclx5.asp

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/1007/10...lx5gallery.asp
    Looking good so far - from the samples they look pretty impressive up to ISO 800, ISo 1600 not so great anymore.

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    Hi Rawfa,

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    The LX3 was a world apart better than the LX2.
    I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm saying the reactions were bad because people expected miracles. It seems to me that we're experiencing the same thing now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    I had high hopes for the LX5. Im looking forward to a good jeans pocket camera but Ive been spoiled by the quality of cameras such as the EP1 and the GF1 and have prooven that it wont take long to fit an even better sensor into an even smaller body.
    Sure, and the M9 did the same: an FF sensor in a body of an M camera. People said it couldn't be done. But I don't think it's realistic to expect it now. Somebody on another forum pointed out that we all expect a lot more in a camera: continuous shooting, AF, advanced light metering, video, ... Trying to fit all that with a large sensor in a body the size of a cigarette pack is much harder than designing a box around a film format like Oscar Barnack did. Not to take anything away from his effort, because he defined the UI of all cameras until digital came along, but the technological advances were much more limited than what we're facing here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    At the moment Ill just wait for the rumored compact micro 4/3.
    Well, that rumour has been debunked in the meantime: there was confusion between the LX5 and some new 43 bodies. Mixing both, you get a fixed lens 43 body. While Panasonic may plan a large sensor fixed lens camera, it won't be 43 (because there's no lens mount) and my guess is that it'll be a lot larger if it were to have an LX5 equivalent lens of 12-45/f2.0-3.3. No jeans pockets there, either !


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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Ive been reading more about the LX5 and there are some interesting points regarding its sensor. I might have spoken too promptly. Lets wait and see...I might just have to get some jeans with larger pockets

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    From all what I could see so far (dpreview, Panasonic site) the images look pretty cool up till ISO 800. The camera looks small enough to be an always with me cam and the operations seem to have significantly improved, as the LCD. No need for the EVF for me.

    As a owner of all the DLUX models I know the earlier models and was actually already pretty happy with all of them.

    So I ordered one at my local dealer, so I will be number 1 or 2 here in Vienna

    If I like it (which I am pretty sure) I will hand it over to one of my kids and go for the Leica version

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    From all what I could see so far (dpreview, Panasonic site) the images look pretty cool up till ISO 800. The camera looks small enough to be an always with me cam and the operations seem to have significantly improved, as the LCD. No need for the EVF for me.

    As a owner of all the DLUX models I know the earlier models and was actually already pretty happy with all of them.

    So I ordered one at my local dealer, so I will be number 1 or 2 here in Vienna

    If I like it (which I am pretty sure) I will hand it over to one of my kids and go for the Leica version
    Man, I wish I was one of your kids hahahah.
    BTW, Vienna was one of my favorite trips! I really loved the City.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Still waiting for the equivalent of a digital Contax T3, Olympus XA or Ricoh GR (sorry the GRDs just aren't there in terms of sensor quality - great interface though). The beauty of a fixed focal length is that manufacturers wouldn't need to screw around with EVFs, just give us a nice optical viewfinder with an electronic overlay of exposure data and a high res LCD for review.

    I vacillate between hope and despair that this camera will ever be produced.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    At the moment Ill just wait for the rumored compact micro 4/3.
    I think Peter is right about this one - confusion between two models together with a big wish that somehow the impossible was here. I don't think the body size is a problem (look at the NEX) it's that fast small zoom to go with it that's likely to be the difficulty.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    The body size is much better for putting into any pocket than any current m43 offers as soon as you attach the standard zoom to them. Anyway I found I never put any of these small cameras into any of my pockets - maybe my Jeans are too tight

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    Re: s90

    Quote Originally Posted by sonomichele View Post
    I think the only really good jeans pocket camera is probably the S90.
    I've seen a specs comparison between these two and apart from the lens reach and the fact that the s90's sensor is a tiny bit larger there's not much in it. Having an s90 myself there's nothing in the LX5 to prompt a switch save the viewfinder option and I've got a G1 for that.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    I just bought an NEX5, so I need another camera like I need another, well ... camera! But I'm afraid I'll end up getting an LX5. The LX3 has been my favorite camera since I got it, and still is, so it's new brother is a no brainer for me.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    From what I understand, you can lock the zoom positions at different focal lengths, right?

    If so, is there any type of "snap" mode on the camera like on the Ricoh GRD"s? I am interested in this as a street shooter but I would like a snap mode for minimal shutter lag. Does anyone know if the LX5 offers anything like this? Thanks, Rick.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Waldroup View Post
    From what I understand, you can lock the zoom positions at different focal lengths, right?

    If so, is there any type of "snap" mode on the camera like on the Ricoh GRD"s? I am interested in this as a street shooter but I would like a snap mode for minimal shutter lag. Does anyone know if the LX5 offers anything like this? Thanks, Rick.
    I read about the step zoom but haven't seen anything about snap focus. Weird thing on the step zoom that I read said 28, 35, 70, 90....not sure if the missing 50 is a typo or a real skip.

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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    The LX5 looks good to me, for what it is (not what some crazy fantasy might want it to be ... ;-).

    But I was looking at the Panasonic FZ100 model announcement. That's quite interesting. About the same form factor as the G1. Panasonic has done a great job with the FZ series so far. I've sold quite a bit of work I made with a JPEG only, 4M pixel FZ10. It's a handy sized camera with a lot of capabilities ... hmm.

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    Hi Terry,

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I read about the step zoom but haven't seen anything about snap focus. Weird thing on the step zoom that I read said 28, 35, 70, 90....not sure if the missing 50 is a typo or a real skip.
    Also, the 24 at the wide end is missing. But about the 50mm equivalents: when I look at the current new wave of pancakes, I find them funnily lacking in just about any offering. The only camera that comes with one fixed focal length lens that is 50mm is the Ricoh GXR. Olympus has a 35mm, Panasonic a 40mm, the Samsung is close with about 45mm, but nobody really gets out the trusted old 50mm. It must be a passing thing: I went without my 50mm for a few years only to rediscover it and now I'm using nothing but a 50mm on my film cameras.

    I remember it was rumoured that Panasonic would make a 25mm that would be faster than f1.4, which would be great.


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    Re: Pana LX5 will be announced on July 21

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterLeyssens View Post
    Also, the 24 at the wide end is missing. But about the 50mm equivalents: when I look at the current new wave of pancakes, I find them funnily lacking in just about any offering. The only camera that comes with one fixed focal length lens that is 50mm is the Ricoh GXR. Olympus has a 35mm, Panasonic a 40mm, the Samsung is close with about 45mm, but nobody really gets out the trusted old 50mm. It must be a passing thing: I went without my 50mm for a few years only to rediscover it and now I'm using nothing but a 50mm on my film cameras.

    I remember it was rumoured that Panasonic would make a 25mm that would be faster than f1.4, which would be great.
    I presume you are talking in 35mm Equivalent Focal Length Speak since thre is no "Olympus 35mm" or "Panasonic 40mm" for Micro-FourThirds.

    Olympus has the very nice, compact ZD 25mm f/2.8 for the FourThirds DSLRs, which also works a treat on the Micro-FourThirds bodies. Panasonic sells the Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH for the DSLRs, which is a super fine performer, and works extremely well on the Micro-FourThirds bodies (albeit it's large).

    I guess in 35mm Equivalent Focal Length Speak those are 50mm lenses, but since the formats are different proportions they're only "approximately 50mm lenses".

    Yes, rumor has it that Panasonic is going to introduce a new Summilux-DG 25mm f/1.4 ASPH for the Micro-FourThirds format. Faster than f/1.4 ... likely not, as the mount design for FourThirds and Micro-FourThirds was designed to accommodate a maximum f/1.4 aperture.

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    Re: 50mm rediscovery

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterLeyssens View Post
    It must be a passing thing: I went without my 50mm for a few years only to rediscover it and now I'm using nothing but a 50mm on my film cameras.

    I remember it was rumoured that Panasonic would make a 25mm that would be faster than f1.4, which would be great.
    It's full-circle for me too. Like many, I started out with a 50mm f/1.4 on my first camera and have always kept one. Now, this focal length is the one I use most once again. Even on my s90 it's preset to open up to 50mm when I switch it on.
    Will definitely buy the 25mm f/1.4 Panasonic for M4/3 when available. The 20mm f/1.7 hasn't appealed to me so far.

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    Hi Godfrey,

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    I presume you are talking in 35mm Equivalent Focal Length Speak since thre is no "Olympus 35mm" or "Panasonic 40mm" for Micro-FourThirds.
    Obviously.


    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I guess in 35mm Equivalent Focal Length Speak those are 50mm lenses, but since the formats are different proportions they're only "approximately 50mm lenses".
    Sure, but I didn't mention them because I forgot them. I was thinking about the mirrorless systems. You can use them, but the 25/f2.8 pancake doubles in size when mounting it on an adapter ring that then goes onto the 43 body.


    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Yes, rumor has it that Panasonic is going to introduce a new Summilux-DG 25mm f/1.4 ASPH for the Micro-FourThirds format. Faster than f/1.4 ... likely not, as the mount design for FourThirds and Micro-FourThirds was designed to accommodate a maximum f/1.4 aperture.
    I think that limitation was taken out of 43, but I'm not sure. The requirement to have the light coming out of the lens nearly perpendicular to the sensor has also been toned down, IIRC. I also think that I read the rumours sites too frequently !


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterLeyssens View Post
    Hi Godfrey,

    I presume you are talking in 35mm Equivalent Focal Length Speak since thre is no "Olympus 35mm" or "Panasonic 40mm" for Micro-FourThirds.
    Obviously.
    I prefer to think of focal lengths as being attributes of the lens. It's less confusing. A normal lens focal length is dependent upon the format, translating everything through the perspective of a 35mm format is very often a major confusion point.


    Sure, but I didn't mention them because I forgot them. I was thinking about the mirrorless systems. You can use them, but the 25/f2.8 pancake doubles in size when mounting it on an adapter ring that then goes onto the 43 body.
    It's still small and light weight even then. The ZD 25mm f/2.8 makes an excellent normal lens for the Micro-Fourthirds cameras.

    I think that limitation was taken out of 43, but I'm not sure. The requirement to have the light coming out of the lens nearly perpendicular to the sensor has also been toned down, IIRC. I also think that I read the rumours sites too frequently !
    Micro-FourThirds and FourThirds sensor size is the same. If you draw a conic section starting with the image circle required to cover the sensor, with the included interior angle fixed by the FourThirds lens mount diameter at 38.5mm register distance, you'll find the smaller lens mount diameter of Micro-FourThirds fits at exactly 19.8mm on that conic section. QED, the same mount design for an f/1.4 lens speed is in place. You can fit faster lenses on either, but there is a limit to the benefit that can be gained from doing so.

    The "requirement" for ray trace perpendicularity at the plane of the sensor hasn't relaxed at all. It was never a requirement, per se, it was a theoretical ideal and it still is. However, modern sensors have shallower photosite wells than sensors that were bleeding edge at the time that the FourThirds design ideas were being formulated. This fact, and the combined effects of FAR more in-camera processing power, more sophisticated image correction algorithms, lens correction metadata injected by the lens to aid corrections on a lens by lens basis, etc etc, have all combined to make Olympus and Panasonic a little more relaxed about ray trace perpendicularity ... With modern sensors and the corrections to the image data that can be applied nowadays easily, the effect is that the sensor can tolerate a couple more degrees of deviation from perpendicularity, allowing lens designers more latitude to produce smaller, simpler lens designs that perform as well. The shorter mount register helps a lot too.

    Yes, everyone on these forums read the rumor sites too much. I don't hate them, but I find them mostly a source of misinformation inspiring endless pointless nattering on the discussion boards.

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    I'm curious to see how the LX5 will handle high ISO. On another forum, somebody mentioned that R+B would be read twice and G would be made twice as sensitive.
    Do you remember where you read this, Peter? The double-read method sounds very interesting.

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    I've read widely about the LX5, but still haven't been able to find any mention of the speculated double-read method mentioned above. Neither have I been able to find full-resolution product photos, or the full-res versions of the marketing images (lens cutaway, etc.) used by all the usual sites such as DPReview and Imaging Resource (which they were presumably given on CD-ROM at the Swedish press event).

    The lens diagram at this page still shows the old LX3 lens rather than the LX5 lens. I even dropped them a note about that a while ago, but Panasonic is amazingly amateurish when it comes to marketing materials, user manuals, etc. You'd think with Samsung snapping at their heels they'd try to differentiate themselves from Samsung's shambolic attempts at a website.

    Nevertheless, I've pre-ordered this camera on the basis that my LX3 is my most important camera (if also my cheapest!), and the LX5 should be a useful improvement on it.

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    I pre ordered the LX5 a few weeks ago.
    Last night I got an email that stated it was not in a 90 day window of shipping from Amazon.
    I cancelled my order.
    Any body have any luck on a shipping date?
    I thought that is was to be end of August, now?
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    I ordered one as soon as it was announced a few weeks ago. As there was still no data about availability last week (at least my dealer could not say anything) and I was meanwhile fascinated by the Sony NEX5 Kit I canceled my order and will get the Sony in the next few days

    Really looking forward to that

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