mwalker
Subscriber Member
Mitch got it right but he had secrets. I wish he was still around.
oh Terry, that cheese burger shot makes me hungry.
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Ooops I did it again
- Thread starter Terry
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oh Terry, that cheese burger shot makes me hungry.
it's a totally different beast, and not really fair to compare it at all to the big boys... that said, what it does -- it does brilliantly, and is THE street camera! i seriously love bokeh and all that, but when you're shooting blindly from the hip, you never know exactly what you're going for until the moment is upon you. this is where the GRDII (and, i must say, the small sensor) shines.
the only thing i really really miss is shutter priority. i know it can be done in full manual but i don't always have the time to shoot that way.
i am having a blast with my R-D1, but it will never replace my GRDII for shots on the street. period. i already kind of knew that, but my time in NYC solidified that fact... it's a different way of shooting, but once you're able to make it yours, it's priceless!
eta: those actions i told you about do beautiful b/w conversions, especially for skin tones.
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Terry
New member
Cam,
It is more a sense of pullng up the file and saying s**t how do I work with this file. There just is more you have to deal with and reorient your workflow a bit. So, not comparing per se but just thinking about workflow.
The actions are quite interesting to me. I just wish they were for Lightroom!
Agree (with the first bit, not hungry right now).
Also many of the photos in Mitch's series were shot with a film Leica. And wheras I was not serious about comparing the quality of GRD output with that of the M8, it certainly isn't far fetched to compare it with the film Leicas.
But in any case, comparing image quality is not the all important thing, because image quality is not all important. For me it is the character of the GRDs that I fell in love with. Ended up replacing my Nikon D80, which I used once in a blue moon, with the GRDI, and later GRDII, which I carry around all the time.
There is one more thing I wanted to say.
I use the GRD II 90% for B&W, even though I'm happy with my B&W conversion most of the time. This partially has to do with the fact that the color on the small sensors is a very problematic thing. Comparing, say with certain D80 shots, there is just no contest. Some of the color shots could not be taken with the GRDs in a thousand years. There is just too little color gradation to make it work as a believable reproduction of the richness of color in real life. Now, the GRDI gave appeal to color photos via a very special oversaturated look. The GRDII jpegs are c**p, and I've not been able to reproduce the color look of the original GRD in raw conversion.
The sharpness of the lens is phenomenal, and I guess this is the reason why the shots are loosely speaking comparable to the film leicas, as I mentioned earlier. And, in my opinion, are easily better in this respect than the D80 with the kit lens.
I use the GRD II 90% for B&W, even though I'm happy with my B&W conversion most of the time. This partially has to do with the fact that the color on the small sensors is a very problematic thing. Comparing, say with certain D80 shots, there is just no contest. Some of the color shots could not be taken with the GRDs in a thousand years. There is just too little color gradation to make it work as a believable reproduction of the richness of color in real life. Now, the GRDI gave appeal to color photos via a very special oversaturated look. The GRDII jpegs are c**p, and I've not been able to reproduce the color look of the original GRD in raw conversion.
The sharpness of the lens is phenomenal, and I guess this is the reason why the shots are loosely speaking comparable to the film leicas, as I mentioned earlier. And, in my opinion, are easily better in this respect than the D80 with the kit lens.
Lili
New member
I hear you about JPEGS in GRD
As regards color; I find some of the best color work with the GRD comes from playing with strong and large areas of bright color.
Almost Surreal instead of Real.
Crayon instead of Watercolor if you will.
However, I really feel what the GRD First Gen does best
is B&W jpegs.
Love the creamy, sparkling tonal range it can produce.
nostatic
New member
what happened to Mitch? Did I miss something (damn this pesky work...)?
Robert Campbell
Well-known member
He seemed to be globetrotting - work getting in the way of fun, perhaps?
Very nicely put, and I agree completely with the first part (I've never used the B&W in camera conversion on the GRDI, so don't know). In fact, a good proof of this point is in the 4 park photos I posted in the London thread. The first is taken with a Nikon D80, and the richness of color tones is superior to the other shots, which are with a GRD. This is clear even on the small jpegs. And I think if the GRD photos were shot with the nikon, they would look better, since the grd doesn't add much esthetic value in the way it erases the color info for these photos. But often it does, especially in the situations you describe.
Lili
New member
sizifio, exactly what I meant
The GRD of both generations can produce lovely, subtle color, but not so well as larger sensors.
But they glory in intensity; a different palette indeed!