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    GRD2 vs DLux3 - shootout or pair

    I expect that Jack's attorney will be contacting me shortly for copyright infringement

    I didn't want to clutter up his thread though with too much of this related topic. I know that a fair number of people either currently own both or have cycled through these two cameras. I'm still on the fence about the GRD2, but here are some comparison photos (in horrible light - apologies), and a few thoughts and shots.









    I did some comparisons of the same shots with both cameras. What I've found is that in low light color images, the GRD2 is more accurate (auto WB).


    dlux3


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    The grd2 is closer to what the sofa, etc really look like.

    The GRD2 is more pocketable than the Leica - since the lens fully retracts and has a built-in cover, it can slip in a back pocket much more easily. Otherwise the overall size and weight is about the same.

    Much has been made about the "grain" look of the GRD2 and my early shots back that up. Running high iso (800 or 1600), if you push the files they have a nice grain whereas the Leica (at 800 - I don't like the 1600 files) has a bit more smooth smear. Neither is necessarily "better", but they are different looks.

    Ergos are a wash to me, but I'm used to the DLux3 and not used to the GRD2. One thing I wish was that the manual focus could be assigned to the wheel or the adj knob or the "zoom" instead of the up/down buttons (not switching to MF, but the actual "focusing" of the camera). Maybe it can be but seems that the options are only for switching between focus modes, not the actual focusing.

    The GRD2 is closer to a typical dslr with the wheel in front and adj wheel in back. The reality is that I find myself in program mode most of the time and often don't end up using them...and then they default to all controlling EV. It seems that it takes some messing around with to tweak to individual taste.

    The DLux3 powers back up after autoshutdown when you push the shutter button. I like that. The GRD2 you need to hit the small, sometimes hard to push power button. I don't like that.

    Perhaps the biggest difference is the native chip ratio. I bought the DLux3 specifically for the native 16x9 and have learned a lot shooting that. I also shoot native 3x2 with my dslr, and with the GRD2 I'm back to native 4x3 like my old Canon. It takes some getting used to, as I've now got all this room at the top of the frame that I used to crop out or just not shoot. Interesting to see how my framing defaults to less headroom.

    Still may send the GRD2 back. It certainly is a different camera than the DLux3, but I'm having a tough time justifying multiple P&S cameras. If I can get "equivalent" results with the Leica I'm a big fan of simplified setups. But my gut feeling is that the GRD2 is somewhat fundamentally different and that in fact they can give very different results from the same subject.

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    Re: GRD2 vs DLux3 - shootout or pair

    a few more random grd2 quickies








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    Re: GRD2 vs DLux3 - shootout or pair

    I now also have both D-lux3 and GRD2. I find that I am faster on the GRD than the Leica. I haven't used program mode at all.
    I set up the GRD with my settings and that makes life super simple....

    My1 - outdoor good light shooting.
    Aperture priority
    ISO 80
    infinity focus
    AWB - bit thinking about simply daylight
    f4.5

    My2 - lowlight high ISO
    square
    auto ISO
    f2.4
    b&w
    auto focus (center spot)

    Then I have the function toggle between AF/snap
    up down is EV.

    I've seen a bunch of different set-ups so YMMV.

    So far so good. Before deciding to keep or give up, I would try My1 and My2

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    Re: GRD2 vs DLux3 - shootout or pair

    Even though I LUV my DLUX 3

    MY GRD2 is sooo FAST and when I compare my shots
    the GR always wins in terms of EDGE
    to my eye there is something there that moves me more .......

    Cheers ! H

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    Re: GRD2 vs DLux3 - shootout or pair

    The GRD2 certainly has quicker RAW write speed. Out of the box the colors are more saturated than the DLux3 as well. I like the way the GRD2 looks at iso800. The b&w has been well documented here, but I'm finding that I like the color grain as well.




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    Re: GRD2 vs DLux3 - shootout or pair

    a direct comparison at iso 100





    all of these are no tweaks, shot raw, converted in Aperture.

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    damn... now this is a treat... I'd love to try the GRD2... but I just can't justify it yet

    the only thing I don't like is the 4:3 native size. grrr why does nobody makes 3:2 compacts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by micampe View Post
    the only thing I don't like is the 4:3 native size. grrr why does nobody makes 3:2 compacts?
    but it does shoot 3:2

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    Re: GRD2 vs DLux3 - shootout or pair

    Quote Originally Posted by micampe View Post
    damn... now this is a treat... I'd love to try the GRD2... but I just can't justify it yet

    the only thing I don't like is the 4:3 native size. grrr why does nobody makes 3:2 compacts?
    While on the GRD 3:2 and 1:1 are crops the RAW is actually recorded in the aspect ratio you specify which is really nice that what you compose is what you see when you import the file.

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    Wow! Look at the woodgrain on the speaker cabinet. Far more detail with the GRD2.

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