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    Thanks Maggie, I spent about four months in a small town, Klinsey, about 10.5 hours south of Moscow In 95 -96. My shots then where film and the negs are in a shoe box in my closet.... I need to get those out and scan them sometime.
    I returned there for a visit this spring/summer with the pano digital.
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    Does a Panasonic DMC-LX2 count?
    promenade and Charles Bridge in the snow, Prague
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    Sure...beautiful shot
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    Works for me, Bob!

    Lovely photo!

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    Wow, GREAT shot Bob!
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    I'm only a few days into ownership but I'm really warming up to this camera. Still a lot to figure out, and the b&w thing is kinda foreign to me but this camera keeps poking me and screaming "experiment!" Who am I to argue. I love native 16x9, and never thought I'd get into vertical. I have to work on that. For now, a quick shot of breakfast. Not international...well, except that my g/f is originally from Hong Kong ;-)


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    Excellent shot Bob. I just received my LX2 this afternoon. Can't wait to get out with it.

    Good shooting,
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    Lincoln, NE, yesterday afternoon:


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    Very nice Maggie O. I'm struggling trying to learn how to do this B&W thing. I can't afford CS3, but I am picking up PSE6 week after next when it will be on sale as Costco for $49. Unless, of course, someone tells me different.

    Having just received my LX2, I haven't had a chance to get out with it yet to practice.

    Good shooting,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto View Post
    Very nice Maggie O. I'm struggling trying to learn how to do this B&W thing. I can't afford CS3, but I am picking up PSE6 week after next when it will be on sale as Costco for $49. Unless, of course, someone tells me different.

    Having just received my LX2, I haven't had a chance to get out with it yet to practice.

    Good shooting,
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    Try Adobe Lightroom its less expensive than CS3, easy to use and is a step up from PSE6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto View Post
    Excellent shot Bob. I just received my LX2 this afternoon. Can't wait to get out with it.

    Good shooting,
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    I picked one up in Prague after I LOMOized my second M8.
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    Thank you, Otto!

    I've been using LightZone to do my B&W conversions with my D-Lux 3 files. I think it's fantastic and it costs less than Photoshop.

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    Here's a couple of shots from downtown Lincoln, via D-Lux 3:




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    a d-lux 3 shot

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    Leica d-lux 3 - 400 ISO - RAW converted i CS3.



    Happy to see your wonderfull pictures here
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwfreund View Post
    Does a Panasonic DMC-LX2 count?
    promenade and Charles Bridge in the snow, Prague
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    I've come back to this shot several times now. The subtle colors and composition are beautiful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto View Post
    Very nice Maggie O. I'm struggling trying to learn how to do this B&W thing. I can't afford CS3, but I am picking up PSE6 week after next when it will be on sale as Costco for $49. Unless, of course, someone tells me different.

    Having just received my LX2, I haven't had a chance to get out with it yet to practice.

    Good shooting,
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    do you use Lightroom? The B&W conversions are excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I've come back to this shot several times now. The subtle colors and composition are beautiful
    Gosh, thanks.
    I like the camera MUCH better the the Canon SD800IS I had been packing as last-ditch backup but forgot.
    It needed a little touch-up the in PP because of fringing in the corners.
    The Panasonic was chosen since it was half of the price of the Leica in Prague and I could not stand being camera-less my LOMO-ized M8 finially died altogether.
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    anyone have real-world experience with toughness of the camera? I dropped mine last night on concrete. Slippery little devil. Whacked three of the bottom corners and the edge of the fixed part of the lens (luckily it wasn't extended). Seems to function fine. I'm thinking of either putting friction tape of the fuzzy side of velcro on the fron tright of the camera to give a little more traction. I've come close to dropping it before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    anyone have real-world experience with toughness of the camera? I dropped mine last night on concrete. Slippery little devil. Whacked three of the bottom corners and the edge of the fixed part of the lens (luckily it wasn't extended). Seems to function fine. I'm thinking of either putting friction tape of the fuzzy side of velcro on the fron tright of the camera to give a little more traction. I've come close to dropping it before...
    Yup. The metal on the bottom corner of mine is bent as the camera took a spill in its first week (as I was putting the hand strap on. Now I use it with a neck strap.

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    Sorry I haven't replied sooner, I've been away for a few days.

    ellemand, I really liked the museum shot. The floor really draws you in, and the composition and light looked great to me.

    Maggio O, what can I say? The depot shot shows that special look that the 16:9 aspect gives. It looks like I could just climb into it. Plus, I like trains. I will check into Lightzone as an alternative.

    mwalker, again the 16:9 aspect has something about it that is the reason I bought the LX2. Perhaps the fact that the sensor is a true 16:9 ratio has something to do with it.

    rwfreund, I really love the history in Boston. I was there a couple of times when my Son was living there. That shot reminds me of many of the streets, and pathways, I walked while I was there.

    helenhill, what a beautiful house. Again, showing the 16:9 advantage.

    TEBnewyork, yes, I have LightRoom, but have had trouble getting it to run very fast. I've had some moderate success with it, it's just so slow on my computer, and I haven't had the funds to upgrade.

    Thanks again everyone for showing your photos, and the suggestions. I really like this site. Everyone is so helpful, and friendly, compared to some of the sites I visit.

    Good shooting,
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    Do they make those silicone covers for this camera yet? Probably would provide good 'grip' as well.

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    Keeping the thread alive

    The good/bad part about exposure bracketing is that it stays set even when you've turned the camera off and then on again. This was the third shot of a bracket where obviously I forgot it was going to take three exposures . Funny I like it best....


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    That's AWESOME!

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    Thanks Maggie!

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    dear TEBnewyork.......you mentioned the black and white conversions in Lightroom as being excellent....I just got a version of lightroom and I'm curious if you are referring to the custom presets in the library under quick develop....like, b&w high contrast and b&w low contrast? Iam really new to black and white conversions as well as photography in general...thanks patrick

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    You can use those or in the develop module you can simply click on the grayscale and then work with the different sliders. You can still use the color sliders to tweak the black and white.

    Also, I was given a link by another user on the forum and it also has more presets that people have made. Very useful. Here it is:

    http://inside-lightroom.com/index.php

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    dear TEBnewyork,,,,thanks I'll check it out,,,by the way I love that subway shot....looks like I'll have to read up on exposure bracketing as well... ciao patrick

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    Time to bump the thread, I reckon!

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    Delinquent in their rent at Kutna Hora, Czeck Republic

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    Deadbeats!

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    Never a word more true.

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    Hi All, I see a few friendly faces here from DPreview and LUF!

    I just got my GRII yesterday, rather liked the B&W JPEG I got in the pub last night and some shots I took on the beach yesterday alongside my trusty M8 but I have to say that a brief comparison against my LX2 at ISO 100 seems to imply that the LX2 has a better lens and finer tonality. Can this be? It doesn't seem to be what others are saying... I read Sean's review (great as ever) and though there's no direct LX2 comparison, the implications are that the GRII IQ and glass should be better - or did I get that wrong Sean?

    Here's a GRII beach shot I liked:

    Attachment 1217



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    What's IQ?

    The D-Lux 3 has an awesome lens. IMO, it blows away every DSLR kit lens I've ever seen photos from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    What's IQ?

    The D-Lux 3 has an awesome lens. IMO, it blows away every DSLR kit lens I've ever seen photos from.
    Hi Maggie,

    IQ = Image Quality.

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    Thanks, Tim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Hi All, I see a few friendly faces here from DPreview and LUF!

    I just got my GRII yesterday, rather liked the B&W JPEG I got in the pub last night and some shots I took on the beach yesterday alongside my trusty M8 but I have to say that a brief comparison against my LX2 at ISO 100 seems to imply that the LX2 has a better lens and finer tonality. Can this be? It doesn't seem to be what others are saying... I read Sean's review (great as ever) and though there's no direct LX2 comparison, the implications are that the GRII IQ and glass should be better - or did I get that wrong Sean?

    Here's a GRII beach shot I liked:

    Attachment 1217


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    Lovely shot - I was contemplating one of these . . . . or a d-lux3 (lx2) but history relates that I won't use it!

    You certainly got better weather than us! I bought this sports car off an old friend a couple of weeks ago, and I've only been able to get the hood down once (and then I nearly got drowned). Nice car though.

    How do you feel about the 28mm limitation?






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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Tim
    Lovely shot - I was contemplating one of these . . . . or a d-lux3 (lx2) but history relates that I won't use it!

    You certainly got better weather than us! I bought this sports car off an old friend a couple of weeks ago, and I've only been able to get the hood down once (and then I nearly got drowned). Nice car though.

    How do you feel about the 28mm limitation?

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    Which shady mate sold you that car eh? I bought one off a friend recently too, a sort of part exchange, and got a 28-35-50 tri-elmar into the bargain and a fine lens it is too! I also just got my noctilux back from Solms and at first sight it appears to focus. My spare M8 body is back too. An embarrassment of riches!

    My first feeling is that the GR2 is hyped. It has inherited the crown of 'the toy camera that serious photographers use and can be used to make serious work' and in truth it's pretty good but after a small number of side by side shots against the LX2, it's not as good.

    I know 'good' covers a multitude of parameters and it is smaller, thinner, lighter and ergonomically nicer than the LX2 but the pictures seem not to be as good at low ISO and it's a toss up even at 400.

    But these are early days, no proper, or even semi-scientific tests yet and no doubt time will make me wiser. But if someone said that Ghandi was dancing a Volta on my lawn with Marilyn Monroe right now and I had to grab one or the other, it would be the Pannie.

    BUT I do really like just having a fixed lens. That's more and more how I use my M8 - nearly always with the 28 cron or sometimes CV15. Daft really since at the last count I have ten M mount lenses! It's just easier to see the world without having to zoom to with my brain...

    Hoping the weather looks up and the hood goes down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Jono!

    Which shady mate sold you that car eh? I bought one off a friend recently too, a sort of part exchange, and got a 28-35-50 tri-elmar into the bargain and a fine lens it is too! I also just got my noctilux back from Solms and at first sight it appears to focus. My spare M8 body is back too. An embarrassment of riches!

    My first feeling is that the GR2 is hyped. It has inherited the crown of 'the toy camera that serious photographers use and can be used to make serious work' and in truth it's pretty good but after a small number of side by side shots against the LX2, it's not as good.

    I know 'good' covers a multitude of parameters and it is smaller, thinner, lighter and ergonomically nicer than the LX2 but the pictures seem not to be as good at low ISO and it's a toss up even at 400.

    But these are early days, no proper, or even semi-scientific tests yet and no doubt time will make me wiser. But if someone said that Ghandi was dancing a Volta on my lawn with Marilyn Monroe right now and I had to grab one or the other, it would be the Pannie.

    BUT I do really like just having a fixed lens. That's more and more how I use my M8 - nearly always with the 28 cron or sometimes CV15. Daft really since at the last count I have ten M mount lenses! It's just easier to see the world without having to zoom to with my brain...

    Hoping the weather looks up and the hood goes down!

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    Thank you for the information - my history of small sensor cameras is lamentable - so maybe I'll hang fire.
    I'm taking the car to Basildon tomorrow, and I don't think the sun ever shines there . . . still, a trip to Cornwall is planned for February . . . . come to think of it, I'm not sure the sun ever shines there either!

    I have a similar embarrassment of M mount lenses (I got rid of one recently), but, like you, find myself using one at a time (usually the tiny 28mm 2.8).

    Off to bed - those Essex guys don't like sleepy chaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Hi All, I see a few friendly faces here from DPreview and LUF!

    I just got my GRII yesterday, rather liked the B&W JPEG I got in the pub last night and some shots I took on the beach yesterday alongside my trusty M8 but I have to say that a brief comparison against my LX2 at ISO 100 seems to imply that the LX2 has a better lens and finer tonality. Can this be? It doesn't seem to be what others are saying... I read Sean's review (great as ever) and though there's no direct LX2 comparison, the implications are that the GRII IQ and glass should be better - or did I get that wrong Sean?

    Here's a GRII beach shot I liked:

    Best to all

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    Hi Tim,

    Are you looking at converted RAW files? I haven't compared those two cameras side by side so I can't say for sure. The GR II probably has a higher S/N ratio, and so holds up better at high ISO levels, but they both have excellent lenses. In terms of function, ergonomics, speed, finder-compatability, etc. I prefer the GR 2. But the D-Lux 3 is one of my favorites as well.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    My first feeling is that the GR2 is hyped. It has inherited the crown of 'the toy camera that serious photographers use and can be used to make serious work' and in truth it's pretty good but after a small number of side by side shots against the LX2, it's not as good.
    I don't think the camera is hyped, per se, but maybe you're reading things I haven't read. It certainly isn't hyped in my review. I wouldn't call it a toy at all, though, and I think people have to be realistic about the files that small sensor cameras make. I've heard some compare the output to the M8 and I really can't quite see that comparison myself.

    Again, are you working from RAW? What's your workflow?

    My gut sense, and again I haven't compared the two, is that the D-Lux 3 files will appeal to the eye as much as the GR2 files when both are straight from the camera. But I also have a hunch that if one begins pushing both kinds of files, those from the GR2 will hold up better than those from the Leica/Panasonic. I don't know if that's right. The fact that the GR2 files are a bit cleaner than those from other small sensor camera (cleaner as opposed to more smoothed) allows them to have a bit more resilience, a bit more like they came from a camera with a larger sensor.

    The Leica D2 RAW files, for example, were lovely so long as they weren't pushed very hard in post. But push an ISO 400 D2 file, and I made thousands of those, and it can fall apart in a heartbeat. The underlying noise in a small sensor file, which some like so much (under certain circumstances) can eat the picture alive if one isn't careful.

    Cheers,

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    I'll just say that I'm making darn fine looking ISO 800 files with my D-Lux3 and they hold up to quite a lot of PP. Of course, I make sure you wouldn't know that to look at 'em.

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    Hi Tim,
    I have nothing to add to the conversation as I haven't touched a GRD II but I do want to say HI !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    I'll just say that I'm making darn fine looking ISO 800 files with my D-Lux3 and they hold up to quite a lot of PP. Of course, I make sure you wouldn't know that to look at 'em.
    That's just your magic touch Maggie. The camera just wants to do well for you. <G>

    It's a great little camera.

    Cheers,

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    Thanks, Sean!

    (I see we've both kissed the Blarney Stone! )

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    Hi Tim,
    I have nothing to add to the conversation as I haven't touched a GRD II but I do want to say HI !!!!

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    Ditto Terry - how very nice to see you here!

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    Re: Leica d-lux 3

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    I don't think the camera is hyped, per se, but maybe you're reading things I haven't read. It certainly isn't hyped in my review. I wouldn't call it a toy at all, though, and I think people have to be realistic about the files that small sensor cameras make. I've heard some compare the output to the M8 and I really can't quite see that comparison myself.

    Again, are you working from RAW? What's your workflow?

    My gut sense, and again I haven't compared the two, is that the D-Lux 3 files will appeal to the eye as much as the GR2 files when both are straight from the camera. But I also have a hunch that if one begins pushing both kinds of files, those from the GR2 will hold up better than those from the Leica/Panasonic. I don't know if that's right. The fact that the GR2 files are a bit cleaner than those from other small sensor camera (cleaner as opposed to more smoothed) allows them to have a bit more resilience, a bit more like they came from a camera with a larger sensor.

    Cheers,

    Sean
    Hi Sean1

    Certainly not hyped by you - you don't do hype, as we all well understand. What I meant was that there's a general buzz around the GR and GX cameras that somehow they are the clever choice for the pro looking for a P&S, whether it's for glovebox use or because they like small sensor drawing. But I do think that the Ricohs feel more toy-like than the Leicasonics: lighter, less metal and more plastic and feel, even though the ergnomics are mildly more pro in feel.

    I haven't done a lot of PP on the files yet but here's my thoughts and some examples.

    The GR2 and the LX2 expose about a stop apart at the same ISO with the Ricoh giving about a stop less. That accounts for a stop's worth of missing IS, which is handy. I personally find that the Ricoh underexposes a tad, which I prefer to the mild over-exposing tendency of the LX2. In my sample shots here I followed the Ricoh's exposure cos it agreed more with my M8's opinion. I used the same F stop (f4) and shutter speed on both cameras in manual mode. I used AF and a tripod on both. I shot RAW and so I had to adjust the files from both camera so as to have about the same EV.

    Also the LX2 has a slightly narrower FOV when set at 28mm focal length, so the crops show the centre portion slightly larger. All processed in Lightroom on Mac using default settings in all respects other than boosting exposure on the LX2 shots to achieve similar EV.

    First is the scene (and This Is Not Art!) as captured by both cameras at ISO 100. Then centre crops at 100 and then in the subsequent post at 400 ISO:


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    GR2 ISO 100


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    LX2 ISO 100


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    GR2 ISO 100 crop


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    LX2 ISO 100 crop

    Please see next post for ISO 400 crops and attempt at conclusion!

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    Re: Leica d-lux 3

    Now for the ISO 400 crops:


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    GR2 at ISO 400


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    LX2 at ISO 400

    So it seems to me that at ISO 100 the LX2 is the clear winner. At ISO 400 it's harder to be categorical: the GR2 looks a little better but that's because it's less clear and has less micro contrast. It might also be because the LX2 was, by it's own meter, underexposed and had to have its exposure boosted by 3/4 stop in LR whereas the GR2 had its exposure reduced by 1/3rd stop.

    (For reference the ISO 100 examples had LX2 boosted by a stop and GR2 left as shot)

    Now here's the rub: I don't often shoot or compare JPEGS because they may not, on any camera, represent the best it can do BUT there's not real way to be 'fair' in RAW development either. LR may not be the best developer for either or both files and its default settings may favour one file over another. One could of course work on a 'best efforts' basis with both RAW files and see what is the absolute best that can be achieved but there are too many variables for that to be anything other than highly subjective.

    So we have to be subjective and my subjective view is that at 100 ISO the LX2 is an easy winner and at ISO 400 I'd trust myself to get results on it that were pretty much as 'good' if maybe a little different. Probably a bit more noise in the Pannie but also better micro contrast and a sharper lens, on centre at least and I think possibly at the edges too.

    I haven't tried ISO 800. I also think that at first sight the Ricoh jpegs are better than I can do with the RAW files in LR other than when given a lot of time.

    The GR2 allows the use of an eternal finder and is a little smaller, thinner and lighter. As a true pocket camera it has better form factor and more 'pro' style ergonomics. But the LX2 gives better files at ISO 100 and pretty much as good at 400, though they may be less tolerant to PP as Sean suggests.

    In other words, if you want a small sensor camera for its drawing, choose the one that draws as you prefer. If you want one that has files as close to your DSLR as you can get, and you work mainly at ISO 400 and below, choose the LX2. You can't fit a finder as easily and it's a bit bigger but its files are less compromised, it has a great lens, which zooms, and it has IS. It also has full manual controls that are the match in function for the GR2 if not quite as well designed ergonomically.

    Phew!


    Tim

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    Great post, Tim! Thank you!

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    M8 by D-Lux 3:



    ISO800, processed in LightZone.

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