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    The other thing that has pleasantly surprised me about the LX3 is that the dynamic range is much better than I expected (my last compact was a Canon G2; so it's been a while). What I really miss from Lightroom/Adobe Raw is the ability to recapture highlights and use fill light in raw. There may be a way to approach these functionalities in SilkyPix, but I haven't figured it out. That said, just using basic exposure controls and opening up shadows in the CS3, the dynamic range is quite good.

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    I tried silkypix for correcting the CA. For the violet/red CA it works well but cannot get rid of the severe bluish fringing/CA

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    For the widest setting, I have "R Rate" set to +6.0, and "B Rate" set to +5.2. Works consistently well for my camera.

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    I had slightly different settings but still cannot get rid of all of the fringing in the example shot I posted. I tried your setting as well. I think silkypix does a better job than CS3.

    Quote Originally Posted by httivals View Post
    For the widest setting, I have "R Rate" set to +6.0, and "B Rate" set to +5.2. Works consistently well for my camera.

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    reading/seeing this I'm having a tough time pulling the trigger to move from the DLux3. Just doesn't seem to be a significant improvement. The faster lens would be nice, but you lose out on the long end.

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    I read something on another forum and tried it.. it worked. I used the CS3 noise filter and turned the color noise up to close to 100% and the fringing disappeared. The image becomes a tad desaturated but by using a layer you can keep the "unfringed" part of the image clean.

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    I just upgraded from the D-Lux3 and LX2 to the LX3. I haven't had a chance to use the camera for any situation that would show CA. It was raining and overcast and the rain just quit when I took this shot today.
    I'm looking forward to using it more in the next few days.

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    There's a shortish thread over at Fred's that might interest some folk here. I like the LX3 and I have had both siblings. The LX3 is much better than both, and the UI is very good.

    http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/691306

    cheers, KL

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Kit, just a short question: Is the zoom setting among the parameters saved in the custom memories? I´d like to put, say, 35mm (eq) into one of them and 60 mm in the other, to be able to go there directly when powering up. Is that possible?

    I´m very tempted by this camera (will probably get the Dlux4 version). I own the Dlux3, and feel quite a few things seem to be improved.

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    Per, I am not sure, and have posted this Q on some other forums. Note that, on startup, 24mm EFOV is default. 24mm has the lens fully extended.

    It takes ~ 1 second to go from full wide to full tele, if that helps. While we wait for the definitive answer, I would just say that because the 60 setting only takes a half second to reach (with no looking at screen or dials, because is it one end of the zoom) I wouldn't bother saving—quicker to have it set on whatever you want on the wide end, and press the zoom lever over to the right when you want 60.

    I prefer the LX3, simply because it has the grip—the ergonomics are good. Having had the DP-1, which has no grip, I can tell you it is necessary, IMHO. cheers, kl

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    I just upgraded from the D-Lux3 and LX2 to the LX3. I haven't had a chance to use the camera for any situation that would show CA. It was raining and overcast and the rain just quit when I took this shot today.
    Cindy, the shot is lovely, but it looks like the damned camera got the horizon on a tilt . . . give it a slap!

    I seem to be having a clean sweep . . . and am also tempted, and I agree about the grip Kit - slippery has it's place . . but not in cameras!

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Cindy, the shot is lovely, but it looks like the damned camera got the horizon on a tilt . . . give it a slap!

    Actually, I used the ruler tool in Photoshop on the horizon. I think it looks tilted, too. I know for a fact after years of shooting this scene that the lighthouse tilts a little. The roof of the yacht club seems to tilt a little but if I straighten it, the lighthouse gets worse....so I left it at this.

    I have set Custom mode 1 and Custom mode 2-1. I am dismayed to find out that the lens position and the aperture are not saved. Am I missing something? If not, Panasonic has missed the mark here.

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Per, I am not sure, and have posted this Q on some other forums. Note that, on startup, 24mm EFOV is default. 24mm has the lens fully extended.

    It takes ~ 1 second to go from full wide to full tele, if that helps. While we wait for the definitive answer, I would just say that because the 60 setting only takes a half second to reach (with no looking at screen or dials, because is it one end of the zoom) I wouldn't bother saving—quicker to have it set on whatever you want on the wide end, and press the zoom lever over to the right when you want 60.

    I prefer the LX3, simply because it has the grip—the ergonomics are good. Having had the DP-1, which has no grip, I can tell you it is necessary, IMHO. cheers, kl
    OK, thank you, Kit! I´m using my Dlux3 quite a lot, so I sort of know the drill.... As you say, end positions are no real problem, and with the short f. l. range of the LX3/Dlux4, I guess the end positions is what one uses most anyway.

    I´ve marked the barrel of the Dlux3 (see this post in another group: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...tml#post670294 ), but I had hoped I wouldn´t have to with the Dlux4, if I decide to go for it.

    As for the grip, I recently found out that I get the best handling ot the Dlux3 with a wrist strap (tightened with a "bead" that slides on it), plus I put the right thumb on the bottom plate and the index finger on the release, while my longest finger supports the front. Left hand posture is more or less the mirror of that (never use the flash, so that´s no problem). Yhis both steadies the camera when held at arm´s length, solves the problem of accidentally pushed buttons, and does away with the need for a grip (YMMV... ).

    Well, a longwinded explanation, but just might help someone.

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Hi fellas,

    This my first post and (as usual) I'm going to start with a doubt. I've been digging deep into this forum and several other sources of information but whenever I'm about to make up my mind about one camera I bump into an article/photos about the other. this is really hard and I feel that I cannot go wrong with either, but nonetheless I'm having the worst time deciding. I do a lot of street/landscape photography and I want something really fast and reliable. Right now I have the new Nikon P6000 and I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with it. Don't get me wrong. When you have the time to set up the shot carefully you can get great photos, but when you need to "point and shoot" I don't trust this camera at all...the white balance is horrible when it comes to tungsten, the autofocus is slow and not trust worthy, the raw takes about 2,5 secs, the "live view" cannot be trusted (even with time to set up a shot, when it looks absolutely perfect it can come out looking nothing like what you've just seen on the lcd). Anyway, right now I've got a great deal on a GX100 and I really want to go for it, but the LX3's 16/9, f2.0, 1cm macro really has me crazy. Price wise I can get the GX100 100€ cheaper than the LX3. So, any thoughts?

    thanks in advance,

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    Rafa,

    "the white balance is horrible when it comes to tungsten"

    This is true of every camera I've ever used.

    "the autofocus is slow and not trust worthy"

    GX100 AF is probably faster than LX3, but both are fast for small sensor cameras.

    "the raw takes about 2,5 secs"

    GX100 takes longer than that. GX200 and LX3 both buffer RAW allowing successive RAW photos without a pause.

    "the "live view" cannot be trusted (even with time to set up a shot, when it looks absolutely perfect it can come out looking nothing like what you've just seen on the lcd"

    I don't trust the LCD on any of my cameras, but the LX3 is better than average in this respect.

    "Anyway, right now I've got a great deal on a GX100 and I really want to go for it, but the LX3's 16/9, f2.0, 1cm macro really has me crazy. Price wise I can get the GX100 100€ cheaper than the LX3. So, any thoughts?"

    Given your specific concerns with the P6000, I think you should go for the LX3.

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Hi fellas,

    Anyway, right now I've got a great deal on a GX100 and I really want to go for it, but the LX3's 16/9, f2.0, 1cm macro really has me crazy. Price wise I can get the GX100 100€ cheaper than the LX3. So, any thoughts?

    thanks in advance,

    Rafa
    I have a GRD2 and LX3, and to be honest, if you're doing a lot of street shooting, the the Ricoh is probably the better choice. Considering how cheap the GX100 is now, I don't see how you could go wrong with it. In fact, even though I love the GRD2, I'm actually thinking seriously about getting a GX100 now that the price is so low. The LX3 is a great little camera, and the fast lens and close focusing are really nice to have, but it's really not a speed demon in terms of handling. In fact, I'm planning to sell mine (I got a little carried away last week and bought a DP1 and a G1 - now I need to part with other stuff to pay for my addiction). All this is, of course, IMHO.

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    Thanks for the words of wisdom, Amin...and congratulations for your wonderful and inspiring photos.

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    Thanks, Bill. Much appreciated.
    Oh and btw, if you're really serious about selling the LX3 let me know. It might help me decide if you're selling for the right price

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Thanks for the words of wisdom, Amin...and congratulations for your wonderful and inspiring photos.
    Very kind Rafa, thanks! I can understand Bill's point about the GX100. Ricoh really does have the best camera controls around. The GX100 remembers zoom length in stored custom settings (LX3 doesn't) and also has a handy "snap focus" mode which the Panasonic lacks. Both of these are really nice to have for "street" photography.

    Your indecision is understandable. Neither camera is the outright winner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Thanks, Bill. Much appreciated.
    Oh and btw, if you're really serious about selling the LX3 let me know. It might help me decide if you're selling for the right price
    Sorry, it's already gone. It was a Japanese only model, so I sold it to a Japanese guy. He doesn't seem to have any problem with the menus.

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Do you guys know if either the LX3 or the GX100 will take a 16gb SD card (or 32 for that matter)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asabet View Post
    Very kind Rafa, thanks! I can understand Bill's point about the GX100. Ricoh really does have the best camera controls around. The GX100 remembers zoom length in stored custom settings (LX3 doesn't) and also has a handy "snap focus" mode which the Panasonic lacks. Both of these are really nice to have for "street" photography.

    Your indecision is understandable. Neither camera is the outright winner!
    It's the stored zoom setting and "snap focus" mode that really appeal to me for street shooting. Add to that the fact that the GX100 is selling for about $350 here now, makes it really hard to resist. If I hadn't just bought the DP1 and G1 ...

    Bill

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    350us$ is a VERY sweet deal. That is more or less the price I can get for a used one here.
    Hey Bill, what is the "snap focus" mode?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    350us$ is a VERY sweet deal. That is more or less the price I can get for a used one here.
    Hey Bill, what is the "snap focus" mode?
    Snap focus is essentially a hyperfocus mode. It locks the focus at 3 meters, so when you shoot, there is zero delay (since there is no auto focus happening). It makes street shooting very fast.

    Bill

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    That is a very cool feature indeed and it scores points on my decision.
    Sadly I still haven't reached any conclusions yet. The lx3's is one stop brighter than the gx100, I love the 16/9 aspect ratio, and from what I've seen it can be easily be used at iso 400...whilst the gx100 can be used at iso 400 but not always.
    Why doesn't Olympus release that beautiful digital rangefinder of theirs at once?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    That is a very cool feature indeed and it scores points on my decision.
    Sadly I still haven't reached any conclusions yet. The lx3's is one stop brighter than the gx100, I love the 16/9 aspect ratio, and from what I've seen it can be easily be used at iso 400...whilst the gx100 can be used at iso 400 but not always.
    Why doesn't Olympus release that beautiful digital rangefinder of theirs at once?!
    I used my LX3 at 400 and 800, and made some very nice B&W conversions. There is a lot to be said for the LX3, but if you want a fast handling camera that you can shoot pretty much without thinking about it, Ricoh really has the advantage there.

    I'm sure a lot of people are anxiously awaiting the Olympus micro 4/3 camera. Me included.

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    Thanks for the tips, Bill. The truth is that for the kind of money I would pay for the LX3 I could almost buy a gx100 with the 19mm wide converter. I might very well go with the gx100...until the Olympus micro 4/3 camera comes by

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    I have had the GX100, D-Lux3 and now have the LX3. There is no doubt that the ergonomics of the GX100 are the best, but once you come to terms with the controls on the LX3, you won't be sorry that you have chosen it. The faster lens and higher iso performance make it the choice for me.
    I love 16:9 and the dynamic b+w film choice for jpeg. I have shot only raw for several years until I got the LX3. My dislike for Silkypix has caused me to give jpegs a try and I think they are rendered very well. I am looking forward to Aperture supporting the LX3 soon, so that I will have more control.

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Ok, this is a good one...how about DOF? Which one is better? The gx has the longer focal lenght but the lx has the brighter lens.
    Laurence Kim and Wouter have made things REALLY hard for me...

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    Well i am selling my Gx200 if anyone is interested. decided to stay with the LX3

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    Just dropped the dime on a DMC-LX3...courtesy of our own Cindy Flood. I'm really looking forward to having this baby on my hands...the LX3, not Cindy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Do you guys know if either the LX3 or the GX100 will take a 16gb SD card (or 32 for that matter)?
    Does anyone know this? I will spend 10 days visiting China and I would like to buy a 16gb SD Card, but I've read that not all cameras take that much memory. Did anyone here ever try the LX3 and/or the GX100 with a 16gb sd card? There's some great deals on ebay for a 16gb with a usb adapter (which is also very useful to copy/upload the photos on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Do you guys know if either the LX3 or the GX100 will take a 16gb SD card (or 32 for that matter)?
    Take 2 x 8GB [or 4 x 8GB for that matter] and swap during the holiday.

    That way, all is not lost if an SD card corrupts for any reason.......................

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    Excellent point, Simon! I will do so.

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Over the years, I have had 2 or 3 SD cards fail (on M8 and D-Lux3). One had really important photos on it and I was never able to rescue the photos. I would stick to 4GB and buy 4 as opposed to one 16GB. Make sure that you always format in the camera before use and if they go bad, toss them!

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    Thanks for the tip, Cindy. I have recently lost 1gb worth of irreplaceable photos from a trip to Florence/Italy. It's heartbreaking.

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    Ok, this is a good one...how about DOF? Which one is better? The gx has the longer focal lenght but the lx has the brighter lens.
    Laurence Kim and Wouter have made things REALLY hard for me...
    Had no intentions too, and congrats with you LX3

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawfa View Post
    Just dropped the dime on a DMC-LX3...courtesy of our own Cindy Flood. I'm really looking forward to having this baby on my hands...the LX3, not Cindy


    I'm probably going to regret this move.

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    For the love of God, don't get cold feet on me now. I've already started buying LX3 accesories and I had to say to no to a VERy tempting offer on a GX100.

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Not to worry, LX3 is on its way to Barcelona today!...but I will miss it.

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    With my luck tomorrow Panasonic will announce the LX4 with interchangeable lenses...

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Over the years, I have had 2 or 3 SD cards fail (on M8 and D-Lux3). One had really important photos on it and I was never able to rescue the photos. I would stick to 4GB and buy 4 as opposed to one 16GB. Make sure that you always format in the camera before use and if they go bad, toss them!
    I'd also be careful of the source you purchase cards. There are fake cards out there. Check this article from ebay AU

    http://reviews.ebay.com/FAKE-SanDisk...00000001254879

    I have heard of fake cards that pretend to be 2Gb, however if you copy 2Gb of data to them, the data is lost as they are actually less than 2Gb in there.

    I'd also suggest taking some pics and testing the cards before relying on them on a big holiday.

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    Has anyone seen a Dlux4 and an LX3 side by side. Is the Dlux4 built with better materials and a better construction?

    The LX3's built in hand grip is appealing but I am wondering if the Dlux 4 is better built using better materials?

    Thanks

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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    I don't know that, but I do know that I'm totally impressed with the low light performance on the DLux4








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    Re: GX200 or LX3

    my buddy has the Leica and it's the same build quality.
    I'm fact, he's going to sell it and get the LX3 cause
    it has a built in grip....IQ is the same in each....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    my buddy has the Leica and it's the same build quality.
    I'm fact, he's going to sell it and get the LX3 cause
    it has a built in grip....IQ is the same in each....
    Shooter
    Well, I was going for the Dlux4, mainly because of the additional Capture 1 software that was bundled, but when I heard that the LX3 comes with Silkypix, I figured that Silkypix will do me. I don't have any RAW software at the moment and it will probably be easy to learn as I dont have many pre-conceptions.

    I have ordered a LX3 from my local photo dealer. Here in AU the LX3 is close to half the price of a Dlux4 and the price saving difference will enable me to buy a GX200 as well.

    I just want to try both for myself and which ever one I don't use, I can always give to my wife to use.

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