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    DP1 Images & Workflow Question

    Having just gotten a Sigma DP1, I'm busy experimenting with it to find the best ways to both use it and then to process the images. So far, I'm using it in both autofocus mode and manual focus/hyperfocal mode. Both seem to have their uses although with AF mode. I'm finding there is almost no half-push on the shutter release so I sometimes end up taking the picture before I realize it. MF seems like the best way to shoot with the minimal lag for more street shooting style. Although the camera write times are relatively slow, I find it works well for my type of shooting. The IQ is nothing less than spectacular for the size of the camera!

    Processing is another kettle of fish! Frankly, the necessity of having to use Sigma Photo Pro (SPP) is a genuine PITA! Compared to CS3 or Aperture it's a primitive, slow piece of software, especially on a Mac. But, since it's the only game in town (at least for now) I am using it to do the initial tweaks on the files and then porting them to CS3 for final processing. In general, here's my workflow:

    1. Open the RAW files in SPP and adjust exposure, contrast, shadow, highlight sliders in a general sense.
    2. Possibly use the X3 Fill Light slider (depends on the image).
    3. Save as a 16-bit tif file (native size).
    4. Open in Camera RAW for final tweaks to exposure, blacks, clarity and sometimes vibrance.
    5. Open in CS3 for final processing which may include conversion to B&W etc. All other manipulation such as dodging and burning etc is done here. I'm finding that I rarely do any sharpening of the files (which is a surprise).

    My questions for those of you using the DP1 are:

    1. Does your workflow differ significantly from mine, and if so, in what way?
    2. If you were going to upsize the image, would you do this in SPP or in CS3?
    3. Does anyone have any specific color corrections they apply in either SPP or CS3 (or equivalent program)?
    4. Any other tips for using the DP1 would be gratefully appreciated.

    Here are some images from this morning. I rode out to Stave Lake in the Fraser Valley of BC. All images were taken handheld at ISO 100.

    Attachment 7363


    Attachment 7364


    Attachment 7365
    My trusty steed! (Piaggio MP3)


    Attachment 7366



    Attachment 7367


    Cheers,
    Last edited by simonclivehughes; 12th July 2009 at 14:37.

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    Re: DP1 Images & Workflow Question

    Bump... anyone... Bueller, Bueller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    Bump... anyone... Bueller, Bueller?
    No help from me, since I don't have the camera. This forum is becoming a little quiet.

    Like the photos a lot though, and the unique look of the camera.

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    Re: DP1 Images & Workflow Question

    I think everyone is on vacation
    Not even handled a DP 1 yet so no answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    I think everyone is on vacation
    Not even handled a DP 1 yet so no answers.
    Yes. Lazy people. I haven't been anywhere.

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    Re: DP1 Images & Workflow Question

    Thanks for the replies... I guess I'll just have to bump this occasionally and see what I get.

    Ciao,

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    Hi Simon,

    my workflow is a little bit easier. I go from SPP to TIFF. And then i import the TIFFs in Lightroom. That's it.

    I hope that someday i can import DP1 Raws directly into lightroom.

    Best regards,
    Claus

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    Re: DP1 Images & Workflow Question

    Claus,

    Thanks for your reply. Sounds like we're doing the same thing except you're using Lightroom and I'm using Photoshop. I do all of my image manipulation such as B&W conversion, dodging & burning, spotting, sharpening and any sizing within PS as I have actions for most of these tasks.

    I'll second the desire to be able to import X3F files directly into ACR too!

    Ciao,

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    I get them as close to what I want as I can then export a jpg to CS3 for the fine tuning. Been using my GRD2 mostly of late though. Planning to just take the DP1 on my next trip to stop me being lazy.

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    Hi Simon, I do the same... exporting at native resolution using "colormatch rgb" colourspace to tiff, and do everything else using LightZone.

    I'm not holding my breath for widespread 3rd party RAW support - DNG would be ideal for me.

    Have you got the latest firmware installed?
    http://www.sigma-dp1.com/software/index.html

    Kind Regards

    Brian

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    Re: DP1 Images & Workflow Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    I get them as close to what I want as I can then export a jpg to CS3 for the fine tuning. Been using my GRD2 mostly of late though. Planning to just take the DP1 on my next trip to stop me being lazy.
    Will,

    A question: jpeg or tif? I guess I'd rather export the highest quality for further manipulation. Yeah the GRD2 is great, but since I got the DP1, the GRD2 and the GX100 have been sitting on the shelf. I just can't see passing up the larger sensor and as I mentioned in my original post, the DP1 suits me fine for my shooting style. I may even end up selling the GRD2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Hi Simon, I do the same... exporting at native resolution using "colormatch rgb" colourspace to tiff, and do everything else using LightZone.

    I'm not holding my breath for widespread 3rd party RAW support - DNG would be ideal for me.

    Have you got the latest firmware installed?
    http://www.sigma-dp1.com/software/index.html

    Kind Regards

    Brian
    Brian,

    I've been exporting in Adobe RGB space so far, any advantage to using the colormatch rgb space? DNG would suit me too although you can convert the tif to a (non-RAW) DNG in either ACR or Lightroom which has certain advantages. Here's a good thread on that:

    http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b59924

    Firmware: If you mean 1.04, yes, that's the first thing I did out of the box.


    BTW, I just got the Franiec grip for the DP1 and it makes a world of difference in holding the camera.

    http://www.lensmateonline.com/newsite/SigmaDP1.html

    I'm just awaiting my hood and then I've got to source a CPL and ND filters.

    Cheers,

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    Taken in Oslo in the new Opera House.


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    Wonderful capture, Will! There's something about the way the Foveon interprets colour that really stands out.

    Ciao,

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    Will, that is gorgeous.
    Whatever else can be said about the DP-1, the images have a unique look, a depth, that is awesome.

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    Thanks Simon and Lilly. Sometimes I find the DP1 images very reminiscent of slide film, they have that rich coloured warmth and depth to them.
    Sorry I took a while to respond but I've been in bed with the flu the past few days

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    Re: DP1 Images & Workflow Question

    I'm not a huge fan of DP1 colour, but I think it has massive potential for B&W photography - the dynamic range and sharpness make B&W conversions really rich in tonality, sharp and noise free.

    I think the DP1 will be my camera of choice for B&W photography for the foreseeable future, a hell of a lot more compact than a D700

    Kind Regards

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    Brian,

    I'd have to agree, even with the small amount that I've used the DP1 to date, the B&W conversions really stand out. As you say, there's a richness to them that pleases the eye.

    Ciao,

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    Simon and Brian.
    The work I have seen, esp in B&W from the DP-1 is superlative.
    The speed is not so huge a concern to me.
    Thinking of the DP-1 like I would folding medium format camera like an Ikonta or Perkeo.
    Tiny, light, quiet and contemplative. Capable of superb IQ.
    The GRD is more like a fast compact 35mm film camera; GR1, or even sorta like a hexar; tiny, fast, quiet and sharp

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    Hi Simon, Lili

    I've just noticed that Phil Douglis has started using a DP1, he has a wonderful teaching resource here :

    Expressive Travel Photography : communicating with pictures

    Kind Regards

    Brian

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    Are there specific examples of Phil's images with the DP1? A quick browse could not find any.

    I briefly had the DP1 and was impressed with the images, and became really impressed when I saw them in BW. I may go back to it again soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonclivehughes View Post
    I'd have to agree, even with the small amount that I've used the DP1 to date, the B&W conversions really stand out. As you say, there's a richness to them that pleases the eye.
    I absolutely acknowledge that. For the short moment I tried the DP1 in July I loved the B&W photographs I made. But I really disliked SPP. Just used auto mode in SPP, saved as TIFF, and than used Lightroom instead.




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    Andrew,

    Looks like Phil started to use the DP1 back in May. Try this thread:

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ca+vlux+1&qf=m

    Cheers,

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    Wouter,

    Yes, I'm using a similar workflow with all of the conversions & manipulations being done in CS3. I'm still using Jeff Ascough's excellent \actions for my B&W conversions.

    Cheers,

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    Re: DP1 Images & Workflow Question

    Here's a new B&W image from the DP1, taken last weekend at the local car show. Processed to tif in SPP then into ACR and CS3 for final conversion.

    Attachment 7535

    Cheers,
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    Here's another aspect of the car show... a bunch of bored looking car bunnies (no offense intended). This one shows off the Foveon colour.

    Attachment 7536

    Ciao,
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    Simon, great shots, Love the B&W best.
    Nice Color shot too

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    Thanks Lili, the B&W images just shine out of this camera.

    Ciao,

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    Re: DP1 Images & Workflow Question

    Simon:
    Fantastic Shots w/the DP!
    The B&W is truly Superb

    mind you the 'go-go' girls in Color are Fun too

    Will:
    What a COOOOL looking Opera House ....the dp1 rendered such Beautiful 'Texture' of the exterior, Love it

    Brian:
    Thanx for the turn on to Phil Douglas.....His work is Divine

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    Thanks Helen, it really is an amazing building. The whole roof is covered in Italian marble and you can walk all over it. Not a safety sign anywhere, which is what I love about Norway not being part of the EU (long may that last!)

    Really great B&W work simon and wouter!!!

    The roof of the Opera House




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    OMIGOD, those shots on the Roof of the Opera....
    Superb composition, exposure and crazy sharp!!!
    Bravo!!!!

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    Well thank you Lili

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    Here's a new one from the Friday evening. This is a sunset from the Tsawwassen ferry terminal in Vancouver.

    Attachment 7620

    Shot at ISO 100 on a small beanbag for stability.

    Ciao,
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    ooh thats beautiful!

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    Here are a few from this morning's ramble.

    Attachment 7759


    Attachment 7760


    Attachment 7761


    These were all processed by ACR 4.6 & CS3 with no SPP finally. The only thing yet to be fixed is that I don't see the thumbnails in Bridge yet. It's curious because I was seeing them before ACR 4.6 with the use of X3F Utilities (for Mac), but now, even with reloading the X3F Utilities, I still don't see the thumbnails, just the X3F icons. I guess it'll all get worked out in time.

    One observation with ACR 4.6 is that I need to add a bit of sharpening (about 50% USM) whereas coming from SPP, it was not necessary.

    Cheers,
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    I love the one with the three yellow leaves Simon.

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    Thanks Will!

    Ciao,

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    The workflow has changed for many people now that ACR/LR offers preliminary support for DP1 RAW files. For low ISO work, I may use ACR/LR. For high ISO, I don't like the DP1 results in ACR/LR and prefer instead to process using the monotone WB setting in SPP. I gave some examples of SPP vs ACR/LR for high ISO B&W here. The basic idea is that ACR/LR apples quite a bit of mandatory luminance NR to high ISO DP1 files, whereas SPP does not do so in the monotone WB setting.

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    Interesting results, Amin, I tend to agree with you for the high ISO B&W results. It will be interesting to see if things improve with ACR /LR as this type of feedback gets out on the web.

    Thanks for your testing.

    Cheers,

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    Thanks Simon. I'm hoping that Raw Developer will support the DP1. RD is an excellent tool for B&W conversions of Sigma SD14 files, regardless of ISO setting.

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    Here's a version of one of my images from above processed with the demo version of Nik Silver Efex. The more I play around with this software, the more I like it.

    Attachment 7902

    Ciao,
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