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    Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    I have been thinking much about the G series for a while now.
    The G-7/9 was impressive in build and even more so in the controls.
    From what I am reading and seeing the G-10 seems to have been expressly designed to meet most criticisms of the earlier versions.
    My only complaint ever was the lack of a really wide end on the zoom.
    The greater size and weight means that while I cannot slip it unnoticed into a tiny purse like I can with my GRD, it is still far easier to pack than any DSLR, esp given the zoom range.
    And it is still smaller than my Hexar AF, which I've carried and shot with everywhere without complaint.
    If the G9 I shot with briefly was anything to go by, I bet the G10 will be as physically durable as the Hexar.
    Which is always reassuring, any camera I can trust that much is worth its weight
    Yes it does have a small sensor with a lot of pixels, however I seem to recall the same being said of the G7 and 9, yet folks still seem to wring excellent images out of them.
    Having given away my Fuji F31, have I found myself missing the excellent hi ISO performance when left with my 'noisy' GRD first gen as my Carry-Camera?
    No, not at all.
    In the case of the Ricoh I *like* the noise, esp in B&W.
    The G7,9 and now the 10 all have a demonstrably excellent OIS system which should help me keep the ISO (which I can select by that wonderful ISO wheel) low for those times I do not want noise by allowing sharp shots a slower speeds.
    At least in the case of fairly sedate or stationary subjects.
    Also, given the lack of vibration by the leaf type shutter in most small sensor cams and in the Canon's case the extra weight and great amount of grip area it should be very much easier to steady the camera.
    Even the Mico 4/3's still use a focal plane shutter with has more inherent sound and shake than a leaf shutter.
    Unless Sigma (like a DP'x' that is as fast as G9)or Fuji (like a 'digi-Natura') have something Really Cool waiting in the wings, I am VERY likely to "pull the trigger" on a G10
    Durable, a Sharp Zoom (28-140mm efl) covering the ranges I use most with any camera I have had, fast RAW write times, and a Superb Analog User Interface; all these spell winner to me.
    Just my two cents worth.

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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    Lili,

    Good post, and I certainly follow your logic. I've been waiting to see what Canon would do with the G10 and some of it makes good sense to me and some doesn't. The controls are certainly well done, but I can't get behind upping the damn MP count yet again on the same small sensor size. Even if we take it that the Digic IV will have better processing, it seems to me that they're constantly shooting themselves in the foot by cramming more and more pixels in. That whole debacle is thoroughly disappointing.

    Whereas you lament the lack of a lower end zoom, I'd have liked to have seen a longer maximum focal length. I find that 140mm is just way too short for a carry around camera. The best P&S I've yet seen is the Panny TZ3/5 with 28-280mm reach (but, unfortunately, no RAW). If only Canon would give us a range like that, I'd snap one up immediately.

    At the moment I'm being thoroughly spoilt by the Sigma DP1 and although I'm interested to see if Sigma offers anything new, I'm not expecting the kind of zoom range I'd like (and probably no zoom at all if they do offer a successor).

    I was really hoping that Canon would take up the challenge and give us a larger sensor in a small body, but I guess they just don't see the market.

    Ciao,

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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    I looked at the G7, G9 and didn't get them. Granted we haven't seen results from testing but keep Digic IV and ratchet back the MP and I bet it could be awesome. It is hard for me to believe that the tiny sensor has more pixels than the giant D700.

    Canon has said that they didn't do wide angle because of the distortion....since this is a change of lens I would also wait and see how good the lens is.

    While I LOVE small cameras, mine will be a G1. I think when people hold it they will be surprised. I frequently take my lens off the Nikon when I put it in a bag. Do that with the G1 and camera plus 3 lenses (14-45, 45-200, and 20 will be a teeny tiny kit.)

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    Lili, I've had a lot of respect for the G series since way back. They keep refining an extremely good product. I've decided to just work with the DP1, which is quite a special camera in its own right (got prelim ACR support today also ). However, if I were in the market for a small sensor compact, I'd have a hard time choosing between the Panasonic LX3 and Canon G10. I'll be shocked if the G10 lens isn't great. While I doubt that the images will show much more noise relative to the G7/G9, I do think Canon is slowly giving away dynamic range as they increase the pixel counts.

    Simon, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing larger sensor compacts from Canon and Nikon before too long. They can't possibly have the zoom range of the G10 without increasing size quite a bit, so I think there will continue to be room for cameras like the G10 after the larger sensor compacts are introduced.

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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    Here is a bit on dynamic range on the G9....

    http://www.bythom.com/

    Note: this link may not work after a bit when Thom changes the images on his home page

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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    Simon, Amin, Terry
    Thanks for your input.
    I quite agree that Canon would do far better with the same or fewer MP.
    Sadly their Marketing people don't seem to feel free to risk that.
    Even Fuji, which had success with the F30/31 gave way to the pressure.
    I agree that the LX3 is likely to have better IQ with fewer pixels.
    It is a sweet camera from what I've seen.
    As is the DP-1.
    As lovely a concept as the G-1 is I am right off of even considering interchangeable lensed cameras for now.
    To understand where I am coming from;
    I've just gone through living H*ll with my K100D and Dust.
    And get told by techs that all DSLR's suffer from the this.
    "At least once a month you need to wet-clean the sensor"
    And one-thankfully-small-and-hidden-in-the-corner-dot will NOT clean up.
    My Pentax is retired for now until I calm down a bit or decide to EBay it and I am using the GRD and the Fuji S6000 (and playing with my Impulse Buy Samsung).
    In the meantime I would like a very versatile, relatively compact and fast working camera for those 'non razor' times (those when I need that which the GRD cannot give; longer lens etc).
    Since the DP-1 has the same EFL and very much the same mission as my GRD it is a non-starter.
    I want a decent User Interface, which the Powershot G7-10 ALL have plus the G-9 and presumably the G-10 write RAW very fast.
    The LX-3 writes fast too, but I don't yet about the UI.
    It is smaller, but, as I stated earlier, the Canon falls within my acceptable size and weight range and I know they are built like tanks.
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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Here is a bit on dynamic range on the G9....

    http://www.bythom.com/

    Note: this link may not work after a bit when Thom changes the images on his home page
    Terry, interesting and thanks for the link

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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    hi lili,
    some complaints on the lens barrel of the g9 malfunctioning and easily bent. advice was to keep the adapter on it.
    actually, this is what i'm lusting after today: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkII/
    since photokina comes next week, we'll have to see what else is new.
    wayne
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    ps. the new self-cleaning dslr's work very well. have never had to clean the xti sensor. i would not buy one without one. so the g1 off the list (and the sensor exposed everytime you put on a lens with no mirror to protect it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokysun View Post
    hi lili,
    some complaints on the lens barrel of the g9 malfunctioning and easily bent. advice was to keep the adapter on it.
    actually, this is what i'm lusting after today: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkII/
    since photokina comes next week, we'll have to see what else is new.
    wayne
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    ps. the new self-cleaning dslr's work very well. have never had to clean the xti sensor. i would not buy one without one. so the g1 off the list (and the sensor exposed everytime you put on a lens with no mirror to protect it).
    Wayne, the G-1 does have a very elaborate shaky dust remover BTW, but the sensor is exposed a lot more, albeit behind the focal pane shutter instead of shutter and mirror on a DSLR.
    Maybe I can find a good deal on the K100d Super (same as mine, just has shaky cleaner
    As to the G9 lens barrel thing, any retracting lens camera is vulnerable there.
    I was already planning to get a Lensmate should I go the G-10 route so your advice is well taken
    BTW I do no find the 'mere' 6mp of either my Fuji or Pentax to be lmiting at all.
    In fact my only complaint with the S6000fd is that it looks too serious sometimes, people see it and get all wierd
    edit; the K200d is weather and dust sealed, has elaborate dust removal and avoidance systems and is not that bad body only...

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    hi lili,
    i hate to report it, but it's a good thing i've a backup to s6000. all of a sudden the card would not stay in. seems like the latch-spring broken. the last shot on my smokysun thread taken with the backup, and is more than a hundred percent crop! this pixel business is crazy.
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    ps. an interesting thread on the lx3/d-lux 4 on the leica forum:

    http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...pressions.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokysun View Post
    hi lili,
    i hate to report it, but it's a good thing i've a backup to s6000. all of a sudden the card would not stay in. seems like the latch-spring broken. the last shot on my smokysun thread taken with the backup, and is more than a hundred percent crop! this pixel business is crazy.
    wayne
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    ps. an interesting thread on the lx3/d-lux 4 on the leica forum:

    http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...pressions.html
    Sadly nothing last forever, sorry to hear about your Fuji Wayne
    I will check out the LX3 discussion, thanks

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    I borrowed a friend's G9 for a week and came away thinking that Canon really did a fine job with the controls, with the possible exception of the tedious manual focus. The combination of live histogram and very good exposure controls makes it so easy to make the most of that small sensor. Sigma should take note.

    G10 looks much the same and maybe a bit better. But the Sigma DP1 has spoiled me by raising my expectations of what a small camera can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4season View Post

    G10 looks much the same and maybe a bit better. But the Sigma DP1 has spoiled me by raising my expectations of what a small camera can do.
    Your last paragragh describes my own situation exactly. Since reading about the G-10 I'd more or less decided to go for it, almost sight unseen. And yet, and yet .. there's something about what that pesky DP1 produces that makes me feel that investing further in another small sensor compact seem slightly absurd. So although I would really like to have the zoom/handling/technological benefits the G10 offers, I guess the sensible thing to do is wait and see what the next few weeks brings. I suspect that would really do it for me would news(appearance would be even better) of a DP2 on the horizon.

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    The G10 is appealing in every way except the one thing they can't paper over - Image Quality will only adequate to average, especially when ISO numbers are raised

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    "Tweener" cameras like the Canon G series hold no appeal for me. If I want a truly portable camera, then something the size of Panasonic's LX01 fits the bill. It will literally slide into a pocket. And if I want full manual control, then why not just carry a small DSLR, or an R-D1 with a small lens on it?

    If you can only afford one camera, then it has some appeal, but I've given up trying to find one camera that "does it all."

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    I hear all of you that love the Image Quality of the DP-1; from what I have seen I have to concur.
    However, it covers that same view as my GRD even if it draws quite differently so it difficult for me to justify buying one
    If Sigma announces a new model with improved speed and/or a differing focal length then I would consider one.
    As to the LX3, it is tempting in so many ways, but I am unsure about how well the User Interface and I will get along

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    I hear all of you that love the Image Quality of the DP-1; from what I have seen I have to concur.
    However, it covers that same view as my GRD even if it draws quite differently so it difficult for me to justify buying one
    Lili,

    Perhaps the way to look at it is that it will replace the GRD allowing you to perhaps recoup that cost. Of course, having said that, I still have my GRD II (and GX100) as well as the DP1. It's funny, I remember being so excited about the DP1 when it was announced and then when it finally became reality and the first images were posted, I was non-plussed by what I saw, especially in the higher ISO shots. I had virtually written it off and instead upgraded from the GRD to the GRD II.

    It was only in the last two to three months that I started to look at the Sigma forum again and found some exceptional images, even at high ISO. (Like any digicam, there are right ways and wrong ways to shoot it at higher ISOs.) That started me doing in-depth research on the camera, including Sean Reid's review and I decided that the quirks and shortcomings of the UI etc, were not going to be show stoppers for the way that I would use the camera. I won't go into the list of "complaints" about the DP1 but will say only that it tends to force one into a more contemplative way of shooting. And, yes, as others have commented, it harkens back to the way we used to shoot with film cameras. While it is definitely not a P&S, it can be used in MF mode every bit as quickly as I shot with my hyperfocal-focussed M8s. And the images... stellar! As excited as I initially get about new offerings like the G10, I then think about the IQ I get with the DP1's sensor (for the size of the body) and I know that I will almost certainly never buy another small sensor camera.

    The DP1 has certainly supplanted the GRD II as the (small) camera I reach for. I have the AML-1 "close up" lens for it, and while it doesn't give macro results like the GRDx, it does give some pleasing results. I really have to play with this combination more to see what I can do with it.

    With the recent inclusion (albeit in preliminary form) of the DP1 files in Camera RAW 4.6, that hurdle is finally being jumped. (Using the Sigma SPP software, especially on a Mac, is a painful and unnecessary workflow step.) While the DP1 still has some warts, Sigma has managed to shave a few of them off with firmware updates and I was pleasantly surprised when I finally got and used the camera for the first time that it wasn't anywhere near as bad as I'd feared.

    If there's any way you might be able to use one for a bit I think you might become one of the converted too.

    One can only hope that with the amount of feedback that has no doubt been received at Sigma that they will implement some of that into a next gen DPx product. It will be interesting to see what Photokina brings from Sigma.

    Cheers,

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    if i didn't already have one, i would buy one of these:

    http://www.popflash.com/index.php?p=...=1412&parent=6

    especially with the new sensors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokysun View Post
    if i didn't already have one, i would buy one of these:

    http://www.popflash.com/index.php?p=...=1412&parent=6

    especially with the new sensors.

    wayne
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    Looks a sweet deal Wayne, thanks for the heads-up, checking Sean Reid's review on these

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    Simon,
    Please understand I *really* like my GRD first gen, no matter what I get I will keep it, NOTHING draws images the same way, especially in B&W.
    I am not looking to replace it.
    Actually What I am looking for is something to replace/supplant my Pentax.
    Don't get me wrong, I love the speed and quality a DSLR can give. The maintenance however is driving me mad; dust dust and more dust.
    Also it is huge by my standards and I really have to force myself to take it with me. It also draws a lot of attention both by its looks and the sound of the shutter
    Even my 'lower class' Fuji S6000 Bridge Camera tends to daw some looks.
    However the Fuji is just a bit more portable in volume but far lighter and almost completely silent (by virtue of the leaf shutter and the manual zoom ring; no zoom-motor noise) so I find mself far more willing to take it with, esp since I do not have to tote a 'bag-o-lenses' (it having a remarkably good 28-300mm efl "Barca-Lounger" zoom).
    The Sensor is excellent, having low noise and good Dynamic Range for a small sensor camera.
    The User Interface, while not GRD level is decent and familiar to me. It seems quite well made, but its lightness and plastic construction leave me wondering about its long term durability.
    Thats why I am considering the G-10 as a sturdy, relatively compact and versatile Jack-of-all-trades. The main sticking points for it so far is if it is any faster in manual focus that the G-9 and just how good or bad the OVF is. To a lesser extent I am somewhat concerned about all those pixels and just what the noise will look like. If it is fine-grained like the Ricoh, esp in B&W that would rock. Color blotchies would not.
    Also Terry's link about Dynamic Range on the G-9 was telling tho not directly applicable to the G-10 as yet.
    I have thought much about the quite-sturdy-but-far-more-massive Fuji S100fs with its superb EVF and LCD (the latter is articulating as well), larger 2/3'' sensor and 28-400 zoom. However that camera is heavier than my K100d with any of the lenses I have, as well as being a touch bigger. It does have the virtue, however, of obviating the need to carry extra lenses as well as having the same super quiet leaf shutter as the G-10, GRD and DP-1.
    Like S6000fd, it too has a manual zoom ring with the speed and quiet operation that brings.
    I DO like the concept and size of the Panny G-1, however despite the dust-removal system I am still leary of having the same problem.
    I am very aware of the unique image quality of the DP-1, and would likely grow to love it too. There are times while out with the GRD that I see images that would best be caught with that big-and-ultra-sharp-foevon-sensor and that kick-a** lens. But if I spend that much, as I said earlier, it covers the same FOV as the Ricoh and so is hard to justify
    So far that is
    I am holding off till all the Photokina announcements are made.
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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    I just spent a warm and brilliant day shooting outside of my car
    I know shock and amazement right?

    Anyway several thing impressed them selves on me.
    1-I HAVE to have an eye level finder in bright Sun. It really doesn't matter if its an OVF or EVF.
    Unlike shooting from a Car or in a Bar, the LCD thing simply doesn't work.
    I knew this already which is why my CV 28mm brightline finder is always with me and now lives on my GRD.
    Today was just extra bright and the Sun was low and LCD were Unuseable.
    2-Shutter lag has to be as short as possible. My otherwise adimarable Samsung L85 has it bad, esp at longer EFL. Even with a half-press tolock prefocus. Slow enough that I have some unintentional shots of my toes! Slow enough that a Racing Shell moved out of frame before the shutter fired.
    Great for stationary shots, not much else
    My Fuji S6000 (32 RAW shots; trying to post process now) and my GRD (jpeg, 40 shots) worked a charm. Sadly, for the Rowboat shot the Fuji was in the trunk of my car
    If the G-10 has terrible lag, it simply will not do.
    (Simon, does the DP-1 have lag at all?Too tired and irritated to look it up )
    If the G-10 has lag like that its a non-started, leaving only the Fuji S100fs, the K200d ( and trust to dust sealing and cleaning system to keep it at least manageable).
    Just sayin'
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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    (Simon, does the DP-1 have lag at all?Too tired and irritated to look it up )
    Lili,

    It depends on how you use it. In normal AF mode, the AF is slow, but if you do the "half-press" method, then no lag, but most of the time I use the DP1 in MF mode, set for hyperfocal and using it this way, there's no lag at all.

    Ciao,

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    Simo9n, thanks.
    AF speed is important but I suspect I would be using DP-1 more in manual focus
    The lag from 1/2 to full press is the one that kills the Samsung.
    The Ricoh and the S6000fd are VERY quick in that regard, and the reviews on the DP-1 show it to especially fast in that regard using manual focus.
    Reviews of G-9 say its fast enough (except in manual focus, whats up with that?).
    No telling about G-10.
    I looked at the Mass and Size of the Fuji S100fs, way over my limit
    Of the current fixed lens cameras that leaves the DP-1, LX-3, GX200 or the G-10.
    Photokina started today!!!

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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    May have to wait a while but this looks very interesting!

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08...our_thirds.asp

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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    Circuit City is showing the G-10 to be in stock, should I wish, I could pick one up on my way home

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    Take a wheelbarrow with you.

    As far as compact cameras go, it isn't one

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    The two little critters laying around her are the GRDII and G9. I almost never reach for the G9 unless I am anticipating the need of a zooming lens.

    The biggest drawback of the G9 is the grip, or lack there of. It just doesn't feel good in the hand. The camera is too heavy for the irrelevant grip it has. I would not buy the G10 unless/until Lensmate has a custom grip for it. With the grip you can shoot one-handed.

    For the G9 I purchased the aftermarket custom grip and Lensmate adapter from here: http://www.lensmateonline.com/newsite/order_G7_1.html

    The Lensmate adapter protects the lens when extended but the camera is nothing close to being compact with it on. And it allows the use of a pol filter.

    Both the grip and the Lensmate adapter are extremely well made, quality product made of anodized aluminum, less expensive than the plastic Canon alternative. Together they make the G9 very comfortable to hold two-handed, if you choose.

    I wish there was an aluminum Lensmate for the GRD.

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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    I say go for it ... it is compact enough to ride shotgun ; )

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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    Hi, I appreciate all the input. I am aware the G9 (having shot with one) and the G10 are "Tanks". I am hoping the slightly bigger grip is better than that on the G10, if not hopefully there will a grip for the G-10.
    If I get one I plan on getting a Lensmate adapter as well

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    Re: Canon Power Shot G-10 Reflections

    An observation . . . I have the G7, the grip, and the adaptor/filter.
    They're all good, but they bulk up the camera, leaving me wanting something smaller again.

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    Overall, I'm hearing that the G10 is significantly larger than the G9. I'm with Lili though, in that it's probably still compact enough for me.

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    Amin, I have heard the same. I am waiting to hear relaible reports on IQ and speed of perfomance before deciding.
    As for it being a Tank, in part that is what I am looking for.
    Someplaces I shoot or want to shoot in having camera/club would be useful

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    An observation . . . I have the G7, the grip, and the adaptor/filter.
    They're all good, but they bulk up the camera, leaving me wanting something smaller again.
    That is why I said I grad the GRDII unless I know I am going to need a zoom lens. The G9 is ok to lug around for a little while, but I have experienced the lighter, more compact cameras. Compact cameras are like air conditioning or sex; once you try it, you ain't going without it.

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    Lilli.a couple of videos,just for you.One of the G10 and one of the Nikon p6000
    http://www.quesabesde.com/camaras-di...deos,3945.html
    http://www.quesabesde.com/camaras-di...deos,4031.html
    They look very similar to me,maybe one will have the better viewfinderall the best,Neil.

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    I've had a GRD, GRD 2, GX100, Canon G7 and two G9s (which I still own and use). A lot of cameras, but most have been used for work in one way or another. For me the bottom line is this:-
    The GRDs were nice but the 28mm too limiting. The GX100 was great to use (especially the EVF) but lens quality at longer focal lengths and stopped down a bit left much to be desired (= soft). The DP1 has too low resolution, slow operation, colours that are all over the place even in good light and it's damn expensive.
    Whatever their defects (sucking up dust for a start), the Canons have been far better picture-making tools. They are fragile - every one I have owned has gone for repair - the OVFs are rubbish, but they are extremely versatile and can be used with the Canon wireless flash system. When I want to travel light, I sometimes take my G9 as an emergency backup camera on jobs, along with my 5D. That I could never do with any of the others.
    Plus the G9 makes wonderful videos.
    The G10 won't be perfect and something better will be on its way in six or twelve or eighteen month's time but I'm willing to bet that for a while it will be the best all-round, sensible and useful, value-for-money picture taking deal out there.

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    The G10 is the same size as the G9 but about 1/4" taller...that's it...no noticable lag and it processes fast as the G9....here's a link to some photos with it....the lens is better than the 9 and as good if not better than the D-Lux 3....

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Paul Carr View Post
    Whatever their defects (sucking up dust for a start), the Canons have been far better picture-making tools. They are fragile - every one I have owned has gone for repair - the OVFs are rubbish, but they are extremely versatile and can be used with the Canon wireless flash system. When I want to travel light, I sometimes take my G9 as an emergency backup camera on jobs, along with my 5D. That I could never do with any of the others.
    Plus the G9 makes wonderful videos.
    The G10 won't be perfect and something better will be on its way in six or twelve or eighteen month's time but I'm willing to bet that for a while it will be the best all-round, sensible and useful, value-for-money picture taking deal out there.
    David, I came to the same conclusion as you. However you do have experience with the G9 sucking up dust then? Was that what they were in for repair for?
    I ask because of my disgust over dust issues with my K100D (and the bulk and weight of the whole kit) were one of the things leading me to look at the G10. The other being that I very much like the Small Sensor look; great DOF, etc.
    While my Pentax was off being repaired the first time I got a Fuji S6000fd on close-out from Wolf camera (I'd gone in there to look at a G9, go figure) and after using it for a while concluded for most of my work, it sufficed nicely and rather wished I'd gone with it to start with!
    I was looking at the G10 as a sturdier alternative, it covers the focal length ranges I use most, is far more compact than either the Pentax or the Fuji, and, if the G9 is anything to judge by, looked to built like a rock.
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    I suspect all compact digicams suck in dust when they have zoom lenses. Even DSLRs do. The difference is that, the smaller the sensor, the greater the impact of the same sized speck of dust. And DSLRs spend less time at the bottom of lint-filled pockets.
    My Canons went back because of dust or lens assembly problems.
    The only solution I have found (on Canons or Ricohs or Sigmas) is to put on a Lensmate and protective filter (or similar) from day 1 and gaffer tape any place where dust might enter. Not pretty, but effective.
    A little perspective: these cameras have plenty of defects and, in my experience, aren't particularly well made or robust. I would never use one seriously without some sort of backup. I also believe that to get decent results you need better processing skills than if you use an entry level DSLR.
    That said, I recently went to see an exhibition of medium format black and white photojournalistic work by a famous war photographer. I reckon I can get better, bigger, black and white prints out of my G9. You really need to remember what even an expensive scan from film looks like (and how difficult and time-consuming they are to make), to appreciate what excellent value for money a camera like the G9 represents.

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    I suspect all compact digicams suck in dust when they have zoom lenses. Even DSLRs do. The difference is that, the smaller the sensor, the greater the impact of the same sized speck of dust. And DSLRs spend less time at the bottom of lint-filled pockets.

    I do agree with you about the effects of dust on smaller sensors. As to Pockets and lint, I carry my GRD and/or L85 in lowepro case in a thoughroughly cleaned zipper pocket in a Purse, not in a pocket. Besides for Gals, most of our pockets a decorative, not useful. My dust issues with the Pentax came while changing lenses too near trees that were emitting sap droplets, these flew to the sensor desptie the short exposure time and the camera being held face down SO FAR I've had no dust issues with either the Samsung or the Ricoh. The Fuji, which has a fixed lens with a manual zoom ring, it lives in a little Tamrac messenger bag and, knock wood, as been Dust Free and Sober through almost 3000 shots

    My Canons went back because of dust or lens assembly problems.
    The only solution I have found (on Canons or Ricohs or Sigmas) is to put on a Lensmate and protective filter (or similar) from day 1 and gaffer tape any place where dust might enter. Not pretty, but effective.
    A little perspective: these cameras have plenty of defects and, in my experience, aren't particularly well made or robust. I would never use one seriously without some sort of backup. I also believe that to get decent results you need better processing skills than if you use an entry level DSLR.

    I can see where you are coming from on this, I really like the IQ one can get from a DSLR, I have Debated getting the dust/weather sealed Pentax K200d (which also has a dust removal system). However, even before the "Dust Blues" hit, I had to really force myself to take the Pentax with me. It is bulky and draws much attention. The smaller cameras do not attract the eye so much nor do they screem "please rob and steal" or "Hai, I is Pro and must be harrassed to for taking fotos here, kthxbai" so loudly. Well, mostly, the Fuji can attract such attention with its "DSLR" look. Hence my primary usage of the GRD and, lately, the Samsung. In the former case especially, while the overall IQ may not be DSLR level, the look and qualities are unique and I enjoy them. Even more so, the fact that it takes very little space and weight, it has the virute of always being at hand. And even the mediocre (which the GRD most assuredly is not) camera in Hand ALWAYS beats the Excellent Camera you had to leave at home when a good shot presents itself

    That said, I recently went to see an exhibition of medium format black and white photojournalistic work by a famous war photographer. I reckon I can get better, bigger, black and white prints out of my G9. You really need to remember what even an expensive scan from film looks like (and how difficult and time-consuming they are to make), to appreciate what excellent value for money a camera like the G9 represents.

    Oops, missed this part. Indeed, I am VERY aware of issues in scanning film, thats why I use my GRD now instead of my otherwise-much-beloved Hexar AF. And am looking so hard at the more versatile G9/G-10 Or even the intriguing Little Oly E420



    GRD; jpeg straight from camera, no post processing
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    Well, after phoning many stores today I found probably the last G9 in Western Canada. I snapped it up as I had started to have second thoughts about the G10 I had on order... not enough upper zoom range and too many megapixels. So, at this point I have:

    1. LX3 (24 to 60mm)
    2. Sigma DP1 (28mm)
    3. G9 (35 to 210mm)

    I also have a GRD II and a GX100 that I'm going to have to find homes for, as well as an old D-LUX 2 and a TZ3!

    From just playing around with the G9 so far, I'm impressed. I've already ordered Richard Franiec's grip and thumb rest as well as the Lensmate for the G9 and some extra batteries (from BatteryBarn).

    I'm looking forward to giving the G9 a thorough testing and will report back with pictures.

    Cheers,

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    I've already ordered Richard Franiec's grip and thumb rest as well as the Lensmate for the G9 ...

    Just a reminder to follow the directions and "clean" the area you will put the grip on. Once on, it won't be coming off.

    I got the thumb pad thing, never put it on. I thought it would add something but just adding that grip was enough for me.

    I was recently playing with a Nikon P6000, thought the grip would be comfy. It's not, too narrow. Nice rubberizing, especially on the back where the thumb goes, no slip at all, but the grip in front is too narrow. Your G9 with that accessory grip will fill like it belongs in your hand.

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    Thanks for the tips... I have the Franiec grip on my DP1 so I agree on your advice for installation. His grip for the DP1 makes a tremendous difference in the usability of the camera.

    I'm not sure if I'll use the thumb pad either but for the low cost, I thought I'd pick it up at the same time.

    Cheers,

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