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    you are not really helping me in staying away from that camera

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    if it helps you Peter...and I am also interested in the x2...but...



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    My 1st snap at ISO 6400

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    Just got it and really liking the RX100. Thinking about consolidating on OM-D and RX100 and selling Nex 5n/7 and Canon FF. I like small cameras, hate dragging my big Canon dSLR + glass around. Just wish Oly/Panasonic/Sony would do hybrid CDAF/PDAF on mirrorless. So far, DR on the RX100 seems not that great, but otherwise really like IQ.


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    Quote Originally Posted by darrellc View Post
    So far, DR on the RX100 seems not that great, but otherwise really like IQ.

    Yeah, if there is one thing that bothers me about the RX100, it is the DR. Everything else is really impressive. Hopefully we will see a small improvement in RAW.

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    >Yeah, if there is one thing that bothers me about the RX100, it is the DR.

    What are you comparing with? Other P&S should be the benchmark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >Yeah, if there is one thing that bothers me about the RX100, it is the DR.

    What are you comparing with? Other P&S should be the benchmark.
    Did I say I was comparing it to anything? I was confirming a valid observation made by another forum member.

    I'm a big fan of this camera as it sets a benchmark for size vs. performance, with an impressive amount of creative control. But it is simply the latest greatest and will be eclipsed as digital compacts get closer to the DR and shallow DOF capabilities of 35mm film compacts like the Contax T3.

    Until then, I am enjoying it.











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    Just a couple of dinner party shots from last night.
    shot as jpg, converted in Aperture. DR seems great to me (for any kind of point and shoot at least).


    5000 ISO


    6400 ISO


    6400 ISO


    1000 ISO

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Just a couple of dinner party shots from last night.
    shot as jpg, converted in Aperture. DR seems great to me (for any kind of point and shoot at least).
    I wouldn't call it great but I also recognize my bar may be set higher. I still have a collection of film compacts loaded with Portra in regular rotation.

    If you insist on comparing to small sensor compacts like the S100 or S95, then of course it is an improvement.

    Regardless, it is a landmark camera and a great step forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    I wouldn't call it great but I also recognize my bar may be set higher. I still have a collection of film compacts loaded with Portra in regular rotation.

    If you insist on comparing to small sensor compacts like the S100 or S95, then of course it is an improvement.

    Regardless, it is a landmark camera and a great step forward.
    Probably Not a higher bar - maybe I'm being too positive - Great is probably not the right word.
    Still, the DR is okay for a small sensor camera, and I challenge you to get better IQ than that at 6400 ISO pushing your portra! I don't suppose many of your film compacts have a 28-100 f1.8 / f4.9 zoom either - or autofocus as fast and intelligent as this.

    On the other hand, I don't see what it has to do with a Contax T3 - surely you should be comparing that little beauty with the Fuji X100 and the Leica X2?

    These benefits in the RX100 do have some downsides, what seems to me remarkable about this little camera is that the downsides are so minimal compared to the advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Probably Not a higher bar - maybe I'm being too positive - Great is probably not the right word.
    Still, the DR is okay for a small sensor camera, and I challenge you to get better IQ than that at 6400 ISO pushing your portra! I don't suppose many of your film compacts have a 28-100 f1.8 / f4.9 zoom either - or autofocus as fast and intelligent as this.

    On the other hand, I don't see what it has to do with a Contax T3 - surely you should be comparing that little beauty with the Fuji X100 and the Leica X2?

    These benefits in the RX100 do have some downsides, what seems to me remarkable about this little camera is that the downsides are so minimal compared to the advantages.
    Jono - I'd give it a solid "good" but again, we are only talking DR here. My original comment was that this was the ONLY qualm I have with the camera. I can live with the not so shallow DOF because of all the "advantages" as you say. And this was not a digital vs. film argument - I was simply commenting on the DR performance.

    I'm not much of a zoom guy, so wish that the RX100 was a fixed lens but maybe we'll see that in a m4/3 or APS-C version of the Ricoh GRD as rumored.

    And I absolutely do think the RX100 merits comparison to the T3 due to their comparable size and IQ. The RX100 is in the IQ ballpark for less contrasty scenes stopped down a bit. The X100 and X2 are bigger than the T3 and not truly pocketable as the T3 and Ricoh GR are.

    This is the category of camera I am most interested in. FF DSLRs are already amazing and continuing to improve, and we have excellent mid-sized interchangeable systems with decent largish sensors but no compacts that give us that same level of IQ as their film equivalents. The RX100 gets us very close but still does not compare to a T3 shot at 35mm f/2.8 - the shallow DOF creamy rendering and sharpness is just in a different league. I plan on doing a side by side comparison when I get back home from our road trip.

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    A new taqueria opened up near my house and a shot at the camera store.

    Also, Ming Thien, just posted a 'review': Ming Thein | Photographer

    RX100; 37.1mm; 1/80s @ f/4.9; ISO 3200


    RX100; 37.1mm; 1/125s @ f/4.9; ISO 2000


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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    .. The X100 and X2 are bigger than the T3 and not truly pocketable as the T3 and Ricoh GR are. ..
    I don't know about the X100, but the X2 slips nicely into my pants pocket without a problem and fits in my jacket pocket easily. What distinguishes "truly pocketable" from "pocketable"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    ... What distinguishes "truly pocketable" from "pocketable"?
    Heheh, that's easy, the size of your pockets.

    I've spent a few weeks with the X1 and did a review of it for Robert (Monza) when he was at Precision. I find it to be much too big for my pockets compared to the T3 and the pocket champ - Ricoh GR.

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    IQ wise, the X1 and X100 are definitely closest to the T3, with the RX100 not far behind. I'm sure in some scenes and settings the output would be nearly indistinguishable between all of them.

    Good stuff.

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    The RX is 70% of the X2 in the critical 'thickness' dimension, so it's compatible with a greater number of pockets. The X2 is really in a different market however.


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    That "critical thickness" category is where the Ricoh shines. I hope that they stick a bigger sensor in the next GRD.

    But back to the RX, it really is a killer little cam isn't it!? Did you get yours yet Robert? I've decided to keep mine in the rotation.

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    No mine has not yet arrived...really looking forward to it. Planning to just tweak settings for JPG and not mess with shooting raw...

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    Sorry, no pets or flowers: From last weekends eventful road trip with hail storm, adventorous mountain roads and a car accident (not mine).
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    RX100 meets JU52



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    Out the car window shots - driving through Utah and Wyoming...





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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by m_driscoll View Post
    A new taqueria opened up near my house and a shot at the camera store.
    Oh man, I have lusted after a C330 for a while now. Does that shop have a nice used section?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    The RX is 70% of the X2 in the critical 'thickness' dimension, so it's compatible with a greater number of pockets. The X2 is really in a different market however. ...
    the X2 is just slightly thicker than my Rollei 35S (about 5mm) as I carry them, and a bit longer. Smaller than the 35S doesn't appeal to me as I can't hold the camera steadily enough. (The iPhone is a PITA to hold still, but I wouldn't want my phone to be much bigger.)

    I do agree that the X2 is a different class of camera. Big sensor, trim body, pocketable when needed .. Works well for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    The RX is 70% of the X2 in the critical 'thickness' dimension, so it's compatible with a greater number of pockets. The X2 is really in a different market however.

    Sometimes too small is also not good! Too small for my hands giving me no real grip on the camera! Similar actually to the XZ-1 which is a great camera, but I seldom use it because it is far to fiddly to handle for me.

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    Any opinion on which one to prefer, the RX100 or the Ricoh GR IV ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    Any opinion on which one to prefer, the RX100 or the Ricoh GR IV ?

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    I was referring to the original film GR1. I have not had a GRD since the GRD II but I can tell you that the RX100 is a much better camera than that model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Show Performance View Post
    Heheh, that's easy, the size of your pockets.

    I've spent a few weeks with the X1 and did a review of it for Robert (Monza) when he was at Precision. I find it to be much too big for my pockets compared to the T3 and the pocket champ - Ricoh GR.

    http://blog.precision-camera.com/201...he-future.html




    IQ wise, the X1 and X100 are definitely closest to the T3, with the RX100 not far behind. I'm sure in some scenes and settings the output would be nearly indistinguishable between all of them.

    Good stuff.
    Hi There - Why don't you pop the RX100 in to the group and do that interesting size comparison again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi There - Why don't you pop the RX100 in to the group and do that interesting size comparison again?

    all the best
    Jono,

    Would love to but I don't have the X1 anymore. I will see if I can get ahold of one. At the least, I'll put a shot together with the RX and a T3, a GR1 and maybe an Olympus XA for kicks.

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    So people would actually pick a RX100 over an X2? The IQ is that similar?
    I'm confused...

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    Hello All,

    I just bought one of these miniature cameras-seems good fun to me.

    A little more difficult than my P&S LX3- I'm having to learn to focus!

    It is operable with 1 hand-with the wrist strap I never feel as if I'm about to drop it.

    Results not too bad so far-shooting Jpeg.

    All these just tickled a bit in iPhoto.

    A ceiling, 2 artworks, and a radiator at the Royal West Academy in Bristol + a couple in a shop and a Bar.

    Would appreciate a bit of feedback to persuade me to keep this camera.

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    .. and a few more which have obviously been Nik'd with silver efex..
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    .. a couple HDR'd in camera, a couple of watercolours, and a bonus miniature'd in camera.

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    So people would actually pick a RX100 over an X2? The IQ is that similar?
    I'm confused...
    Hmmm. I don't think the IQ is very similar, but the RX does a very respectable job in the X2 territory (35mm equivalent, f2.8). The difference is that the RX has it's own territory (28-34 and 36-100 for example).

    There are certainly circumstances when I'd pick an RX100 over an X2, and there are also other circumstances where I'd pick the X2

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    how is the RX100 IQ at the end of zoom? And does the aperture stay at 2.8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    how is the RX100 IQ at the end of zoom? And does the aperture stay at 2.8?
    The RX100 lens is a Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 10.4-37.1mm f/1.8-4.9 T*, the aperture is f/4.9 max at the long end of the zoom range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonshine View Post
    So people would actually pick a RX100 over an X2? The IQ is that similar?
    I'm confused...
    I don't know whether it is or not, I doubt it is. However, I am delighted with the X2 and the RX100 doesn't do much for me, simply on the basis of its size and control layout. There's also the fact that I am no big fan of slow zoom lenses.
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    For me the RX100 is an iPhone camera replacement. Far higher quality, features I've needed that the phone doesn't offer (zoom and much faster operation, among others) and nearly the same size except in thickness. Small enough I will carry both.

    115 x 58 x 9 - iphone
    101 x 58 x 36 - RX100

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    >For me the RX100 is an iPhone camera replacement.

    Same here. The iPhone is amazing but quite limited as camera. Some compensate with the lovely effects but still no good camera.

    Can you do great photos with the iPhone? Yes, so can the Holga. The RX100 zoom makes a big difference for me.
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    I'm really happy with my X2 but the RX100 is quite tempting as its so small

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    For me the RX100 is an iPhone camera replacement. Far higher quality, features I've needed that the phone doesn't offer (zoom and much faster operation, among others) and nearly the same size except in thickness. Small enough I will carry both.

    115 x 58 x 9 - iphone
    101 x 58 x 36 - RX100
    I carry my iPhone all the time. And now I'm carrying the X2 or GXR as well. So if the RX100 is an 'iPhone replacement' ... uh ... it can't call my brother or play music in the car for me, can it?

    I'm not going to carry two cameras in addition to the iPhone all the time. The idea is to carry less, not more. One camera, one iPhone. Sometimes just one iPhone, and in that case, it won't be replaced by the RX100. ;-)

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    >One camera, one iPhone.

    Same here: iPhone + RX100 :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    So if the RX100 is an 'iPhone replacement' ... uh ... it can't call my brother or play music in the car for me, can it?
    As stated: 'iPhone camera replacement.'

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    If I would find a cheap phone that could tether and would be out of contract I would even use a smaller phone. The iPhone is not the problem but the expensive contracts that go with it.
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    ..almost an Elliott Erwitt moment..
    Think I'm going to enjoy this camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrellc View Post
    Sony would do hybrid CDAF/PDAF on mirrorless
    Wait for Photokina.

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    The obligatory picture modes
    And one high-ISO (in this case 1600) shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    If I would find a cheap phone that could tether and would be out of contract I would even use a smaller phone. The iPhone is not the problem but the expensive contracts that go with it.
    Uwe,

    I bought my iPhone 4S outright and unlocked from Apple (costs $750). So I have no contract, I just buy service from AT&T or Verizon ... or anyone else I want with a little hacking ... on a month to month basis. Given the use I find for it, the service price I'm paying seems well warranted.

    Anyone can do the same.

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Uwe,

    I bought my iPhone 4S outright and unlocked from Apple (costs $750). So I have no contract, I just buy service from AT&T or Verizon ... or anyone else I want with a little hacking ... on a month to month basis. Given the use I find for it, the service price I'm paying seems well warranted.

    Anyone can do the same.
    Or wait until the iPhone5 comes out....a bunch of 4S's will go off contract and AT&T is now unlocking them.

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Uwe,

    I bought my iPhone 4S outright and unlocked from Apple (costs $750). So I have no contract, I just buy service from AT&T or Verizon ... or anyone else I want with a little hacking ... on a month to month basis. Given the use I find for it, the service price I'm paying seems well warranted.

    Anyone can do the same.
    Hi Godfrey
    I quite agree
    We've been doing this for years too - except there's no hacking to do over here, simply buy a month by month iphone 'contract' which is not connected to a phone, and grab a phone from the apple store . . . . when the next phone comes out it's off to ebay with the old one. Simple as that (and much cheaper than paying for it on contract).

    all the best

    Just this guy you know

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Although this is off topic: How much is service off-contract (in the USA)? Looking at AT&T as far as I can tell service costs the same whether one buys the phone for cash ($750) or buys it for the subsidized price ($200.)

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    >Given the use I find for it, the service price I'm paying seems well warranted.

    This is just not the case for me.
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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    I'm a photographer not a telephonist

    Did a few hand held close ups all at f1.8.

    Was impressed.

    Lightroom3 and a little bit of Nik Col Efex.

    Cheers,

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