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    Sony RX100 - getting started

    Camera arrived last night.
    Very small
    Very solid build.
    Menus from the Alpha series with some NEX tidbits thrown in.
    Highly customizable
    Responsive

    Only took a couple of snaps so far. Once jpeg 100% crop to post
    Will try find some time to do some testing this week.

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    Such a lovely, delicate rendering. Look forward to more.

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    see LuLa

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    Thanks fro sharing the link. I hope to check it soon.
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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Sony calls the RX100 "The Professional's Compact Camera". We are on our way to find out. Today we had our first chance to use this "hot" camera (and our own RX100 is on order). Here are our first Field Test Images:







    We also tried video and think that Sony's claim is not that far off.
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    I got mine last Friday and so far I'm pretty impressed. Though I believe its true potential will only show when shooting RAW.

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    I used Raw (with a beta raw converter). THe real issue is getting the lens distortions fixed in Raw. These extreme compact lens designs and a 1" sensor need software corrections.

    Here a bit more about RX100, Raw and distortions: http://www.outbackphoto.net/news/201...stortions.html
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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Just ordered one. It passes the magic 20mp threashold which (for me) is important.

    Lens distortion should not be an issue if, as you say Uwe, raw converters like ACR are able to process RX100 images in due course. In my view, if ACR and Lightroom are good enough for Hasselblad, should be good enough for Sony...
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    Well, I'd like one (oh yes) . . . . but I think I'm going to wait and see whether Aperture support the ARW files soon, rather than rushing in and shooting jpg.

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    Video looks spectacular. Only I don't shoot video

    Jono, I hear your words of sanity and wisdom, but I would expect ACR to support decoding of the Sony raw files from the RX100 pretty soon. I have no intention of shooting jpeg while sober...

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    yup, I'm following this one too. Looks pretty good.
    There is supposedly an announcement in a couple of days re a new Panasonic LX7.

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    Terry, does the RX100 have step-zoom?

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    No step zoom. Two ways to zoom, point and shoot style around shutter button, or the ring around the lens.

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    The ring is slower but also mor precise I would say.
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    I'll wait till one shows up on the B&S Board from a disenchanted member, LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecsh View Post
    I'll wait till one shows up on the B&S Board from a disenchanted member, LOL.
    Probably this weekend if history is any guide.....


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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    I know everybody's all excited about this "big" sensor compact camera, but just a reminder...
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    This is a P&S camera and thats it. But the quality is nice for a P&S and the video is quite capable. Even pro video cameras have often a smaller sensor.

    Just compared a D800 with a RX100 shot. The main diff is the dynamic range. Hardly noise in the shadows with the D800 compared to the RX100. Video would be a more interesting comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    I know everybody's all excited about this "big" sensor compact camera, but just a reminder...
    I have both sensor sizes. But the last time I tried to squeze the M9 with a 35m mounted into my shirt pocket I was in trouble
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    >my shirt pocket I was in trouble

    Easy solution: Bigger pocket and bigger shirt.
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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    >my shirt pocket I was in trouble

    Easy solution: Bigger pocket and bigger shirt.
    That may not fit all. I would need grow the body as well to have an XXXXL shirt.

    Impressive as it may be, it remains to be seen if it is worth 650 Euros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    I know everybody's all excited about this "big" sensor compact camera, but just a reminder...
    I agree - why I started this thread in the snall sensor arena and not the Sony forum. However 1" is big for a camera this size. It is a really remarkable achievement.

    Now, I think it depends on what your you are comparing it to. In the P&S arena, it is a leap forward.
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    12x deeper pocket for an m9.

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    RX100 as movie machine

    The RX100 can do nice videos.

    https://vimeo.com/46069332
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    Is the AF fast and accurate?

    I am very interested in the rx100.
    I would see this as a replacement for the xz1 as an allmost allways with me camera.
    Just wonder how a gx3 with the compact small zoom and the rx100 would compare.
    And considering the 20MP vs the Oly xz1 lower MP meaning not so different pixel density but faster lens of the xz1 - could I expect a better IQ of the rx100 over the xz1 (if we ignore the higher MP advantage for big prints)?

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    The DR seems quite nice. How does it fare when it comes to high iso in low light? I hate reviews who are like "Look how well it does at iso 1600" and then they show a perfectly well lit scene where nobody would ever use iso 1600.
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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    And what was my first shot with my new RX100?



    Looking good so far (both the award and the camera )
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    Congrats on the award.
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    >The DR seems quite nice.

    It is ok. Not quite a D800 :-). I want it actually more for video than stills. But snapping nice stills while doing video is nice.
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    Handled the camera today for 15min and I must say I am kind of sold! Really very nice. If IQ holds up to that (almost) I will get one .....

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    I would be curious as to anyone's thoughts on the RX100 compared to the FujiX10 as an only camera for now? I would likely add a larger sensor camera in a year or two.

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by pjmsj21 View Post
    I would be curious as to anyone's thoughts on the RX100 compared to the FujiX10 as an only camera for now? I would likely add a larger sensor camera in a year or two.
    I like the handling of the X10 better. Better ergonomics and button positions for me. But definitely larger.

    Video will be infinitely better on the Sony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjmsj21 View Post
    I would be curious as to anyone's thoughts on the RX100 compared to the FujiX10 as an only camera for now? I would likely add a larger sensor camera in a year or two.
    I owned the X10 and was in the end pretty much disappointed. Main reason was the - at least for me - absolutely unusable OVF, it was completely out of range towards the bottom. So finally I think it is better to not have any OVF (or EVF) than having one which just is almost useless.

    What I also disliked on the X10 was the handling and the menus, but this is definitely something very subjective, so others may see this differently.

    IQ wise I cannot talk because I have not tested the RX100 for this, but I was pretty happy with the output from the X10 in most cases. But again, as the RX100 covers a much larger sensor than the X10, I assume IQ will be even better. Plus it is 20MP, so you always can down-sample and increase IQ performance this way.

    Finally size, the X10 for me is NOT pocketable, the RX100 is, so this is the ultimate advantage I think for a pocketable camera.

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    X10 handles better when its in your hand, as its a more traditional, or "old school" as many call it design, with dedicated dials and buttons rather than multi function "soft" keys etc as many of todays modern cameras are going to. I personally enjoy having a physical manual zoom ring for example, EC dial etc.

    HOWEVER, the X10 is just not a pocket camera in the slighest, while the RX100 slips easily into any pocket and also offers better performance in almost every way.

    Much better video, faster frame rates, higher resolution, lower noise, more subject isolation, better pano sweep and other perhaps gimmicky processing modes, faster AF, you name it really.

    X10 though is fun to shoot when its actually in hand, but question is what to do with it when your not actually shooting.

    Also at $599 for the X10, given its performance, is also sort of steep for what your getting compared to the SOny for $50 more.

    All and all though rather different cameras so kind of hard to compare them directly

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    Here is how I use the RX100:

    http://www.outbackphoto.net/news/201...ony-rx100.html

    The RX100 maybe the first P&S I will actually use. Always there as a nice video cam.
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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Photographed a car show today. Light was very demanding (normal in our place).

    - LCD as sunlight no problem at all with the sunlight LCD Setting
    - Very light in my hands
    - we use a grip



    - All from Raw with an early beta raw converter









    More RX100 images can be found here:

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Uwe,

    All very nice. Thanks for posting.
    I may have a go with one of these and hope I enjoy it as much as I do my LX3.

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    Never had a LX3. But I like it better than the X10 and XZ1. Although I think these other cameras may have better lenses. But larger sensors render a bit smoother. In video the RX100 is a class better than these other models.
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    It's 2:00 in the morning and there's not a lot to photograph. Here's two shots converted from RAW with RPP. IDC 4.1 crashed at 69% complete while batch processing. The RX100 is so small, and well-made, and, well...cool, that I'll go without the viewfinder. The metadata disappeared when importing to Lightroom. Maybe there's a way to import it, also?





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    Looking good, hope to see some more samples specially at ISO 800 & 1600 and FL at midpoint.

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    Monterey:

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Uwe,
    What kind of grip do you use?
    I am also interested in this camera for video also. Thanks
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    Photographed a car show today. Light was very demanding (normal in our place).

    - LCD as sunlight no problem at all with the sunlight LCD Setting
    - Very light in my hands
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    A mixed lot from today. The first four were RAW processed in RPP (IDC crashed after 28 of 32 images). The rest were jpegs from the camera.

    RX100; 36.28mm; 1/100s @ f/4.9; ISO 800


    RX100; 30.5mm; 1/2000s @ f/4.5; ISO 200


    RX100; 37.1mm; 1/125s @ f/4.9; ISO 2500


    RX100; 24.4mm; 1/80s @ f/4; ISO 800


    RX100; 10.4.mm; 1/800s @ f/6.3; ISO 125


    RX100; 10.4mm; 1/1000s @ f/1.8; ISO 125


    RX100; 10.4mm; 1/800s @ f/1.8; ISO 125


    RX100; 10.4mm; 1/320s @ f/5.6; ISO 125


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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    A quick question . . .
    can you take it out of your pocket with one hand and shoot - without using the other hand . . . . . .
    It may sound like an odd question . . .

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    I suspect the key to the complete one-hand operation will be if you can turn it on with one hand. By the look of the pictures, the on/off button is just next to the shutter button, so I think it's very possible to take it out in one hand, press the on/off button, then begin shooting. Grip may be another issue, but dependent on the operator's hand and preference. I hope to get one soon
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    I would not see any issue holding the camera in one hand while turning it on, especially the RX100.

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    Re: Sony RX100 - getting started

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    A quick question . . .
    can you take it out of your pocket with one hand and shoot - without using the other hand . . . . . .
    It may sound like an odd question . . .
    yes....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I would not see any issue holding the camera in one hand while turning it on, especially the RX100.
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