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    Re: a visit to the rose garden

    Wayne, you´re at it again.... Another new series in a new style

    Beautiful!

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    thanks, per. the result of a great gift to the community.

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    Wayne, I feel this last one lacks some of the dreamy quality that the others in the series have. It´s beautiful too, but a bit too "insistent" (I can´t find a better way to put it, but I think you see what I mean).

    Btw (not that it really matters), are you shooting through some kind of filter, or is it done in post processing?

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    hi per,
    i agree with you on the last one. it was darker in the original than the others. needed to lighten it up at the beginning. glad you caught it. i wasn't happy with it. no, no filter. it's in the processing. the digilux 2 plus the elpro close-up lens was the kit.

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    the d2 is a really fun camera to use, and along with the sony 717, it gives a very distinctive footprint. both have great lenses.
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    ps. this brings up an interesting problem. how do you re-capture the original impulse? the first ones i worked on late in the evening, right in a row, and i had a certain vision. next morning i felt a different mood, bored with the project, yet i tried to force myself. good to do as much as you can while you're on a roll, i guess!

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    Yes, I often find returning to an image I wonder how I made such a mess of it first time round -- and then probably make a different mess !

    I suppose it's how the mood takes you at the time -- there cannot be a 'right' way to do it, only variations.
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    I like the expired flowers and I like the dreamy feeling, they go well together. But I do not like all of the white space. I think a rectangular instead of round vignette would be better. Also crop closer, less white space, and extend the transition.

    Very nice collection you have there. Ok, it's actually inspiring. Gonna grab the camera and head out...

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    is this what you had in mind?
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    i'd like to recommend this book to everyone:

    http://www.amazon.com/Moment-Clicks-...6554758&sr=8-1

    it isn't so much in the specifics but in the general ideas that i find help. for example, if you want to be a better photographer, put something more interesting in front of the camera. such things seem self-evident, but i find myself forgetting them. a good browsing book when you're in a bookstore.

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    still experimenting with the flower pictures.
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    I love this whole thread of images Wayne

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    thanks, lili. i went back this afternoon with the xti and the sigma 50 macro. as i expected, the results totally different. the smooth tonal transitions of the dslr demand a different kind of treatment. the abrupt transition in tone of the small sensor cameras turns out to be their distinctive feature, which can be exploited for a rougher feel. here are some shots from this latter shoot for comparison.

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    I have to say I much prefer this last since, since they are more natural looking as opposed to the overly treated initial series (forgive me for saying so, but some of them looked borderline cartoonish/rotoscoped and overshadowed the true value of the photo imho). The last picture is really amazing. It really captures the flower's sense of organic beauty.

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    thanks, rafa,
    i think photographers appreciate the somber and elegaic. the general public prefers to escape from time into the transcendent. photos that look like photos perhaps have by nature too much detail for this to take place. this is why most folks tend to buy reproductions of paintings and posters or photos that look like paintings.
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    ps. some of the most beautiful flower photography can be found in http://www.amazon.com/Flora-Photogra...6692708&sr=8-2

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    still trying other approaches. this is another couple with the xti. (for some reason i'm enjoying continuing to work with these rather than the ones taken with the d2. i think it has to do with the available transparencies of the original file.)

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    ps. are the files from the dp1 good enough to do this kind of work?
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    Beautiful stuff here, Wayne. I really like the textures that come out with the D2, the details are amazing.
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    thanks, joan. the key is to up the tonal contrast. it really pulls up a lot of detail you wouldn't know is there. also, something like the free version of fdr tools for hdr might do it. here is what someone on the leica forum suggests for updating the d2:http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-...x-2-mk-ii.html i suspect leica may one day do it.

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    i couldn't resist trying again, once with xti and 17-40 L and again with the fuji s6000. the first were too good straight from the camera. in other words, anyone could have taken them. the most remarkable possibilities of all turned out the be the second, with the s6000. the following from the fuji. they could be processed quite differently.


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    it is interesting to compare 100% crops. the first from the xti and 17-40. the second from the s6000. the first obviously has much finer tonal gradations and the possibility of depth and transparency, more like slide film. on the other had the s6000 will take some rough handling, much like the d2. both of these straight from the raw files.

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    pastels from the s6000.

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    pastels from the d2.

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    I bo before the Post Process/image king Wayne
    awesome stuff!

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    thanks, lili. i get so frustrated trying to simply do photos! so many great photographers out there. it's simply overwelming. i keep trying to figure out how to get better. seems like the more i do it like art, the more people like it. here are my art galleries, if you haven't seen them.

    http://www.pbase.com/wwp/art_projects

    thanks again for the appreciation. it buoys my spirits.
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    here's one from the xti files. each camera/lens/sensor brings different results.

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    a few more flowers

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    been trying to figure out if the raw files from the xsi any better than the xti!! returned the latter to costco. then ordered another one from amazon after a lot of reading and comparing. here's a 116% crop from the xsi. (the lens was a good one, the leica r 90 2.8)

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    ps. the dp review says the xsi resolution puts the 40d to shame. and the review of the 50d says it's worse than the 40d. so...
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    oops, meant to say i ordered a new xsi.

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    it's been very educational to go back to the rose garden with different cameras and lenses. in the end i don't know what i prefer. each has more than one potential. today it was the g3's turn. this is a delightful camera to use. they probably can be had for less than a hundred dollars. and can get more than 1000 raw files on a 4 gb card!

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    ps. did some intentional smudging. that's not the camera.
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    now for something different.

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    OOOO
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    strange events in the garden

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    Not too much of a rose left, but this was in memory of Princess Grace of Monaco. Taken at the Rose Garden in Paris.

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    You want roses?

    Come to NornIrland:

    http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/rosegardentour/index.asp
    Sláinte

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    thanks, bertie, very impressive. tried to zero in to see if the same kinds of images being tossed up by the roses like those below. no luck. our garden can't be totally unique in that respect.

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    ps. gather rosebuds while ye may.
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    this seems to be one source of the images. but whose hands are at work?

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    uh, oh! i suspect foul play.

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    those who live on the surface suspect nothing.

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    meanwhile, back at the lab.

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    tumultuous atmospheric conditions.
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    cruel experiments were carried out.

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    attempts were tried to call 911.

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    but. it proved futile. they were victims of their own projections.

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    perhaps the answer lay in the stars?

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    or in subatomic particles?

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    Re: a visit to the rose garden

    Wayne, I have thought of printing a cad drawing on top of a picture (pixel) since the picture has out of focus areas and the cad drawing is very precise and is based in vectors and this way the lines drawn by the printer are much finer and not pixelated. Your pictures show this effect. My problem with all of this is that, between the processing and the printing I would spend all my time fighting with a computer or a printer.

    I don't know if I was made for that and you make it look so easy.

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    ah, it's easier than it looks, though the inhabitants of the rose garden didn't think so. some turned to religion and metaphysical speculation.

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    while others felt only technology could save them from their stupidity.

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    well, I really like the results but you are re-cicleing many hours of monastic detail work that probably made more than one monk loose his sight.

    And I don't mean the drawings but rather the genetists that made the rose.
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    yes, many who have worked among the roses have been blinded by thorns! fortunately, suddenly, unexpectedly, inexplicably, the garden returned to normality (perhaps due to your objective observations?)

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