Site Sponsors
Results 1 to 27 of 27

Thread: When even the RX100 is too big...

  1. #1
    Senior Member bradhusick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    2,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    53

    When even the RX100 is too big...

    What's a shooter to use when even the RX100 is too big and the iPhone 5S image quality is not enough (and there's no zoom)?

    Is there anything that could fit in loose-fitting jeans pockets that has decent IQ without massive JPEG compression smearing?

    Thanks...
    Brad Husick

  2. #2
    Senior Member bradhusick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    2,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    53

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    nothing huh?
    Brad Husick

  3. #3
    Subscriber and Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    2,803
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Maybe the Canon...

    High-end pocketable compacts 2013 roundup: page 7: Digital Photography Review

    http://www.the.me/no-doubt-whatsoeve...ombo-possible/

    Or the Ricoh GR

    http://blog.mingthein.com/2013/05/06...-gr-digital-v/

    I tend to carry a Fuji F100 when nothing else is small enough....or just put a small case on my belt.


    Bob
    Last edited by docmoore; 20th May 2014 at 08:54.

  4. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    133
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Have a look at the Pentax Q7 It is tiny and has a tiny prime lens.
    Robert

  5. #5
    Senior Member bradhusick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    2,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    53

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    I am going to give the Fuji XQ1 a try...
    Brad Husick

  6. #6
    Senior Member bradhusick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    2,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    53

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Quote Originally Posted by OlderThenDirt View Post
    Have a look at the Pentax Q7 It is tiny and has a tiny prime lens.
    Robert
    Q7 is tiny, but with prime lens it's 57mm thick. The XQ1 is 33mm.
    Brad Husick

  7. #7
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    Terry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    6,955
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1145

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Edit....missed your post that you were going to try it.

    Fuji X-Q1? 33mm

    from DP Review first impressions....
    It's difficult to talk about the XQ1 without referencing the 'shirt pocket' enthusiast compacts it so closely resembles, most notably the Canon S-series PowerShots and the Sony RX100. There are plenty of other interesting cameras in this sector too, but it's pretty clear that Fujifilm has taken a look the market and decided exactly where it's targeting its new baby. The XQ1 looks like an interesting in-between option for users who want a larger sensor than the one in the S120 (and most of its peers), but can't stretch to buying the RX100.

    The XQ1, therefore, takes the larger-than-usual 2/3" sensor that we found offered very good image quality in the Fujifilm X20, and places it in a genuinely pocketable body. That X-Trans CMOS II sensor also enables exceptionally fast autofocus - even the pre-production XQ1 we used for this article has to count as one of the quickest compacts we've seen. For fans of manual focus, the XQ1 also offers a 'Peaking' display to help get the sharpest results.

    The XQ1's design may not be as adventurous (or as pretty) as the XF1 before it, but instead it adopts a control paradigm that's proven to be extremely popular for this type of enthusiast compact. Central to this are the lens control dial, and the E-Fn button which places a wide range of functions at your fingertips. It adds a screen that's essentially as good as anything else in its class (although it's not touch-sensitive), and built-in Wi-Fi for image sharing. In short, it ticks all the right boxes.

    What this all means is that the XQ1 looks like it should be a really strong contender in this section of the market. Not everyone needs a 20MP sensor in a small compact camera, and not everyone can justify its price. But the XQ1 looks like it could well offer the next best thing - and that's in no way a bad place to be.
    terry
    www.terrybanet.com
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  8. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Northumbria
    Posts
    78
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Too big?
    Too thick you surely mean.
    The i-phone is bigger than the RX100, but thinner.

    My solution : different trousers.
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,446
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    MY nokia 808 may be obsolete, but it is a very capable stand alone connected camera. The pureview zoom works a treat, and there is alot less smearing than on the iPhone.

    On saying that though there is an app for iPhone called "cortex cam" which does an amazing job by capturing multiple exposures and using a combining technique to render a single cleaner not so smeared image.

  10. #10
    Member Arjuna's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Calgary, Alberta
    Posts
    203
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    What about a Sony QX10 or QX100 to pair with the iPhone?

  11. #11
    Senior Member bradhusick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    2,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    53

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    I read the reviews of the QX10 and QX100 - they are clever ideas and clunky implementations. Worst feature? It takes quite some time from when you decide you want to shoot a photo until you actually can shoot.

    I just picked up a used-like-new Fuji XQ1 from Amazon for $285 - that's a steal compared with the Sony RX100 cameras- and yes, it's the thickness that counts here.

    I like the idea of different trousers! Actually, I just ordered some kydex and I am going to see if I can make my own belt holster for the XQ1 that protects the camera and is not much bigger than the camera itself.
    Brad Husick

  12. #12
    Senior Member bradhusick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    2,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    53

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    There's also an app for the iphone called ClearCam that attempts to make higher res photos. It works fairly well but is not a magic wand.
    Brad Husick

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,446
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    XQ1 is a very smart camera. good choice you are going to have to start a new thread showing some of the images captured with this camera.

  14. #14
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    Terry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    6,955
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1145

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Waiting on initial verdict....

  15. #15
    Senior Member bradhusick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    2,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    53

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Well it arrived from Amazon and the lens ring was defective
    Now I am having second thoughts about it. Considering a Ricoh GR instead. The GR isn't that much bigger and the sensor is an APS-C size rather than just under 1".I had one of the fist gen GR digitals and it was built like a tank but deadly slow. I hear they have fixed that in the latest gen. Yes, I give up zoom, but gain IQ.
    Brad Husick

  16. #16
    Subscriber and Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    2,803
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    GR or the Merrill DP1 or DP2 will be very nice....may pick up a GR next week...am taking a Fuji F600EXR as a non-camera this weekend. May suffice for a few family shots.

    Bob

  17. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,446
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    sorry to hear about the defective ring on the XQ1. I too have heard good things about the GR. Like you said APS-C sensor excellent IQ combined with excellent camera controls makes the GR an excellent backup compact camera.

  18. #18
    Senior Member bradhusick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    2,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    53

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Ricoh GR on the way from Popflash. Excited.

    Also picked up a used RX100 (first gen) for cheap to compare. The first gen is thinner than the rest and I can live without the EVF for the sake of pocketability.
    Brad Husick

  19. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    1,446
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    The Rx100 first gen has the traditional FSI cmos sensor as opposed to the later BSI cmos found in the RX100ii and RX100iii. From what I have seen from sample comparisons, the first gen has slightly better IQ and color than the later 2nd gen. The second and third gen has better light sensitivity.

  20. #20
    Senior Member bradhusick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    2,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    53

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    After one day I am coming to the conclusion that I should keep both the RX100 and the GR. The RX100 has a nice zoom lens and does great video, and the GR image quality is shockingly great.

    Do two belt pouches make me more of a nerd?
    Last edited by bradhusick; 17th July 2014 at 09:05.
    Brad Husick

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Devon, UK
    Posts
    286
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    After one day I am coming to the conclusion that I should keep both the RX100 and the GR. The RX100 has a nice zoom lens and does great video, and the GR image quality is shockingly great.

    Do two belt pouches make me more of a nerd?
    Of course! However, I guess that we're all nerds to some extent...

    I've had the RX100 for around 18months, and I'm still impressed. It really does pack a huge amount of punch into an easily-pocketable item. Ergonomically, it's not to everyone's liking (too slippery), but I've learned to live with it by always using the wrist-strap.

    Is the GR's IQ much better than the RX100? I'm not sure that I really want to know the answer to that question, because I've had a kind of 'detached interest' in the GR for some time, but I've successfully managed (so far) to ignore it. So... if you would just confirm how completely USELESS the GR is, my bank balance would be very grateful.
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  22. #22
    Senior Member bradhusick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    2,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    53

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    I will try to do a side-by-side shot with both and show you the difference. You may not like what you're going to see.
    Brad Husick
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Devon, UK
    Posts
    286
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    I will try to do a side-by-side shot with both and show you the difference. You may not like what you're going to see.
    Thanks... I'll try not to read it!

  24. #24
    Senior Member bradhusick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA USA
    Posts
    2,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    53

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Okay, here is a side-by-side shot with the Sony and the Ricoh taken at base ISO, lens wide open, no corrections in Lightroom. The first one is the full frame, the rest are 100% crops. Auto white balance.

    comparison | husick

    Try to guess which shot is from which camera. I kept the left-right pairs the same. Post your guess here!

    Here's the full frame, but use the link to see the full size photos.
    Last edited by bradhusick; 17th July 2014 at 09:05.
    Brad Husick
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  25. #25
    Senior Member JMaher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Sarasota
    Posts
    942
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    16

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    If the right hand side isn't the Ricoh I would be greatly surprised.

  26. #26
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Devon, UK
    Posts
    286
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    Okay, here is a side-by-side shot with the Sony and the Ricoh taken at base ISO, lens wide open, no corrections in Lightroom. The first one is the full frame, the rest are 100% crops. Auto white balance.

    comparison | husick

    Try to guess which shot is from which camera. I kept the left-right pairs the same. Post your guess here!

    Here's the full frame, but use the link to see the full size photos.
    Hmmmmm... I don't have a GR, and I don't use Lightroom. This means that I'm not familiar with the nuances of two out of three components of the test, so I'm finding this difficult!

    The right-hand image is more saturated in each pair, but to my eyes, the left-hand images appears slightly (and only slightly) sharper. So, from what I've read about the GR (and your comments above), the GR is the sharper of the two cameras... therefore the L/H images should be the GR. On the other hand, the colours in the L/H images appear similar to those which I expect from my RX100 - but, of course, that could be something to do with the fact that you've used LR.

    Logic tells me that L/H image = GR, but something more abstract makes me think the opposite. All in all, I would comment that there doesn't seem to be a great deal to choose between them in IQ terms, and I'd guess that the real differences are probably to be found when using each camera.

    You can probably discern from my ramblings that I really have no idea. I've failed the test... but then, I said that I wasn't even going to look at it in the first place! Thanks for taking the time to do this - it was interesting, even if I've flunked it. I'm now looking forward to the answer.
    Likes 1 Member(s) liked this post

  27. #27
    Subscriber Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1,429
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: When even the RX100 is too big...

    The right hand side is the better looking image so I guess that is the Ricoh!

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •