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    DP2 News from PMA

    I stopped by the Sigma table at the Sneak Peak press event at PMA. I was told by a Sigma rep that the DP2 should be shipping sometime in March. He thought it would take a different lens hood from the DP1, but will be able to use the same close-up lens.

    I asked if there were any plans to put the DP2's faster processor into the DP1. He said he didn't know. It would depend on whether they could just replace the processor versus having to redesign the camera.

    They do plan to sell both. The DP2 doesn't replace the DP1.

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
    I stopped by the Sigma table at the Sneak Peak press event at PMA. I was told by a Sigma rep that the DP2 should be shipping sometime in March.
    Which means that yours truly will be buying one sometime in March.

    Bill

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    Oops, make that Sneak Peek, rather than Sneak Peak.

    I didn't have a chance to spend any hands-on time with the DP2, so I can't report on how much faster the camera operates. The menu system did seem more responsive than with the DP1.

    Hope to give it a spin sometime during the show.

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    Thanks David . I know Terry and i will be going over to check it out Thursday after our leica demo
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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
    I didn't have a chance to spend any hands-on time with the DP2, so I can't report on how much faster the camera operates. The menu system did seem more responsive than with the DP1.

    Hope to give it a spin sometime during the show.
    I hope they have the real deal there at the show. It seems that at the UK show last week they only had a beta version with no memory card. I think a lot of people are going to be rather upset if we have another 1 year delay like we had with the DP1. Looking forward to your report.

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    This is promising, would really like to see one soon
    Bill, Hope you are feeling better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    This is promising, would really like to see one soon
    Your wish is my command

    http://a.img-dpreview.com/articles/p...k/P3020081.jpg

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    I asked Sigma about the DP2 price. No firm price just yet. The rep told me they plan to price it a bit higher than the DP1.

    They gave me a spec sheet on the DP2. It lists ISO settings from 50 to 1600 (the DP1 tops out at ISO 800). I forgot to ask if they might add ISO 1600 to the DP1 via a firmware upgrade.

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    They gave me a spec sheet on the DP2. It lists ISO settings from 50 to 1600 (the DP1 tops out at ISO 800). I forgot to ask if they might add ISO 1600 to the DP1 via a firmware upgrade.
    I'd really like that. How about also add f2.8 while they are at it

    -Thomas

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidE View Post
    They gave me a spec sheet on the DP2. It lists ISO settings from 50 to 1600 (the DP1 tops out at ISO 800).
    It looks like the ISO 3200 setting they had in the menu in the DP2 sample at Focus was not achieavable in the quality they hoped so they took it out.

    You can see some other pictures and my impressions here.


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    I have a long time pal whom works in a photography and print shop. Although they don't do Sigma he was able to tell me that the formal/list price is going to be a tad less than 1K€ here in Germany. This coincides with "a little more" than the SD-1 which was 849€ upon introduction.... but dropped very soon.

    But as mentioned this is not from an official Sigma dealer....

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    I just got an email from Sigma Japan with links to some websites regarding the DP2. Two of them are in Japanese, but here is the link to the DP2 site, where it seems you can see some sample pics and download a brochure.

    Bill

    http://www.sigma-dp.com/DP2/main.html

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    This is the digital leica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post
    This is the digital leica.
    More likely this is the closest we currently have to an affordable digital Leica.

    I fear it will still handle too slowly to be a true classic in the Leicas image

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    Images look great, indeed true DSLR quality, the colour is fantastic.

    Personally the 40mm focal length is not for me, I would of preferred the existing 28.

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    Was reading this site today , which seemed to have some more details...

    "The image processor has also been upgraded to a Sigma TRUE II ("Three-layer Responsive Ultimate Engine") processor with improved processing speed, operation, and performance. The DP2 also has a somewhat revised rear panel control layout as compared to the Sigma DP1."

    rest of article here

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1236050085.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCdeR View Post
    Images look great, indeed true DSLR quality, the colour is fantastic.

    Personally the 40mm focal length is not for me, I would of preferred the existing 28.
    Would it be nice if Sigma made a DP1 Mk II using DP2 internals with a 28mm?

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    charles traub says, 'a digital p&s faster than any leica.' he means a film leica, of course.

    i wonder if we aren't forgetting what the dp1 can do?

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    Quote Originally Posted by smokysun View Post
    i wonder if we aren't forgetting what the dp1 can do?
    I'm not forgetting. It's because of the DP1 that I'll be adding the DP2 as a companion to my DP1. But I'm beginning to wonder if any of my other cameras will ever get any more use.

    Bill

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    ah, bill,
    i understand. it's only for the lowlight we need

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    Last edited by smokysun; 3rd April 2009 at 22:42.

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    I am rather taken by the second sample DP2 photo here, http://www.sigma-dp.com/DP2/sample-photo/ the one with the old book. Its the only 50 ISO sample and it really seems to grab my attention, what are your thoughts on the samples?

    The landscape with trees, (13th image from top) is a little fuzzy and lacking detail but the others are exceptional IHMO.

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    I dont normally focus on these things but the background of the single flower shot is attractive.
    Last edited by nei1; 4th March 2009 at 02:21.

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    Yeah...yeah...but they don't show what's important....

    show us iso 800+ handheld in low light and normal light...
    the focal length is a concern to me due to the fact that I use VF's. The shallow DOF could inhibit that use....see below....

    f2.8 32.7'
    f4.0 26.3'
    f5.6 18.6'
    f8.0 13.2'
    f11 9.36'

    The above is the hyperfocal distance for the DP2 at the given f stops. So, the viewfinder for street stuff is well, maybe not so great....even for close in portraits, the screen might have to be used....in which case I would sell the camera...

    any thoughts........don

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    Don,

    what the DP-1 comparison?

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    Yes, I was hoping to see some high ISO shots, too. I pondered long and hard before I made my decision to go with the Ricoh GRDII over the DP-1. But now, the DP-2 looks sooo promising.....

    I like the fact that it has a 40mm lens instead of the 28 and that the lens is also faster. If it can take some really outstanding photos at 800 or higher, that would cement the deal for me. Of course, then I would have to justify the purchase to the wife.... which is never an easy thing. "Honey, just one more camera....."

    I cannot begin to tell you how many times she has heard that line from me the past 35 years.

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    Buy now explain later. Maybe i should put that quote in the Buy and sell forum. LOL
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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    The DP1 Hyperfocal chart...

    f4.0. 12.6'
    f.5.6 8.93'
    f8.0. 6.33'
    f11. 4.49'

    With my Leica's, I always used the rangefinder
    with 50mm and longer. With 35mm never.

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    Don, A question on DOF if you will.
    With 35mm film full frame would not the DOF of a 35 mm lens be far less than that of the 24.2mm (40mm-e) on the DP2?
    Smaller format generally yields greater DOF for same f stop and FOV does it not? Despite the slightly longer EFOV the DP2 ought to still benefit from this
    If so then the DP2 should be as easy to scale focus as the Leica film camera with a 35mm lens.
    Last edited by Lili; 4th March 2009 at 05:48.

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    Lili,
    This is true but on the lens it's very easy
    to calculate the DOF/Hyperfocal distance.
    The DP2 must have a better screen to make
    the lens work as the finder has limited
    applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    Lili,
    This is true but on the lens it's very easy
    to calculate the DOF/Hyperfocal distance.
    The DP2 must have a better screen to make
    the lens work as the finder has limited
    applications.
    Ah no DOF Scale would hurt, as well as the tiny dial versus relatively huge scale on 35 mm lens barrel
    That make it very clear Don

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    Lili
    It's an issue I'm sure they over looked.
    There's a few of us VF shooters here and I'd love to
    know their thoughts.

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    This is a Japanese page, but there are lots of pics of the camera and the menus. Still no word on when it will actually be available.

    Bill

    http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/re.../05/10311.html

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    Bill and others.....

    Firefox has a free add on called Fox Lingo...I just translated the page from Japanese to English Google....very nice info....

    don

    p.s. those stupid zoom buttons are not turning me on....the thumb will hit them both all the time.....
    bummer.....
    Last edited by Streetshooter; 4th March 2009 at 10:09.

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    I just installed the Fox Lingo addon, almost nothing on the web pages Bill posted was translated. Do you also have some language packages installed on your computer?

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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxide Blu View Post
    I just installed the Fox Lingo addon, almost nothing on the web pages Bill posted was translated. Do you also have some language packages installed on your computer?
    Try going to the page in Japanese...then click on webpage under foxlingo...then click on Japanese scroll down to English Google...that there should do it...

    I have a Mac...maybe it's a more telligent puter...dunno...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    Bill and others.....

    Firefox has a free add on called Fox Lingo...I just translated the page from Japanese to English Google....very nice info....

    don
    Thanks for the FoxLingo tip. Handy-dandy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromitspapa View Post
    Thanks for the FoxLingo tip. Handy-dandy!
    Yeah...Mrs Shooter is Russian and that program has been just great for me to communicate with her family and friends....

    and when she gets angry, it helps me too...

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    hi don,
    thanks for the hyperfocal distance info. i'm really enjoying the voightlander vf on the dp1. for one thing it allows a lot steadier holding for lowlight. the 2.8 advantage may actually be lost if you have to use the screen.
    downloaded the 42mb pdf and there certainly are a lot of gorgeous pics. nothing at 800 in lowlight, however.
    when i can find one for three hundred dollars, i'll buy one!
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    Re: DP2 News from PMA

    Here's a link to the DP2 on you tube....from PMA...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_jkDCttuZw

    shooter

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    thanks. very nice. makes me want to buy one, alas!

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