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    DP2 REVIEW /w fullsize Shots

    http://www.rytterfalk.com/2009/04/20

    Looks like Sigma might have a Gem....

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    Boy, that looks good!

    Cheers,

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    My only words of caution here is that he totally glossed over any issues with the DP1 some of which were glaring and fixed in that first firmware update. He is VERY tight with Sigma and I highly doubt you will hear about problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    http://www.rytterfalk.com/2009/04/20

    Looks like Sigma might have a Gem....
    There wasn't much wrong with DP1's image quality either, just the camera had idiosyncrasies which turned many, including myself off. The DP1 wasn't my first Sigma, but it would be my last; I never owned a camera that would actually get in my like this one. Between my three Sigma made cameras I don't even have a single image that I can call a keeper... Aside from their horrible bodies I never owned a Sigma lens that I liked either and DP1's was no exception. So now DP2, no, thank you!

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    Have to agree Terry, ryterfalk seems like a very nice person but has most definatly been bought by sigma,or worse is hoping to be bought by sigma.However there are worse things in the world and once Ive saved up my pennies one of these will be my first spiritual digital leica,shame its not weatherproof though............all the best,Neil.

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    Nice images but the DP2 seems to clip overexposed highlight real hard, as seen in the clothesline closeup. Not pretty, especially considering the background was fully blurred. Maybe there was something wrong in postprocessing, it looks too bad to be acceptable by the manufacturer. I'd rather give up two stops of shadow DR to get a smooth transition into blown highlights.

    Update: Apparently this was a preproduction unit, let's hope the final product behaves better.
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    Lars,
    My thought is it happened on quite a few of his shots for him to show an example and note that you need to be careful. Those highlight were badly blown in a situation where it seemed they were pretty controlable.

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    If you look at his work with the DP1,
    he seems to like exposures like that.

    I think it's a style thing and not so much
    a fault of the camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    If you look at his work with the DP1,
    he seems to like exposures like that.

    I think it's a style thing and not so much
    a fault of the camera.
    I have to say that I would strongly disagree. Did you look at the highlights in the clothesline closeup? In the window frame that's a very hard clip to blown white, more like a threshold. Most camera manufacturers try to use the highlight room to avoid clipping like this.

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    I've been noticing the tendency towards clipped highlights recently on the DP1. I tried taking pictures of some yellow tulips in bright sunlight but even exposing -1.0 I had failed to under expose enough to avoid it. My GRD1 had no trouble. I'll upload to flickr and post them here, though they are really bad images so don't judge me by them!

    Still clipped but at least still yellow!
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    I agree. Both SD-14 and DP-1 have insufficient dynamic range, especially in the brighter areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otumay View Post
    I agree. Both SD-14 and DP-1 have insufficient dynamic range, especially in the brighter areas.
    Well, it beats the heck out of Tri-X in any developer.....
    I always compare to my silver prints.....figure them at Zone X or so...
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    Re: DP2 REVIEW /w fullsize Shots

    The obvious fix, of course, is to shoot raw, expose at -2, and do autoexposure in postprocessing. But you can forget Jpeg.
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    Lars, your right on.
    Maybe I'm old but I never understood
    JPEG capture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars Vinberg View Post
    The obvious fix, of course, is to shoot raw, expose at -2, and do autoexposure in postprocessing. But you can forget Jpeg.
    Trouble is that the clipping is there in the RAW file anyway. Taking it back to an even lower exposure would help but then then you have extreme shadows to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    Trouble is that the clipping is there in the RAW file anyway. Taking it back to an even lower exposure would help but then then you have extreme shadows to deal with.
    Sure, but that's true for all sensors - there is a hard ceiling in terms of the highest value that the sensor can read. Unlike film, a sensor is linear in its response. So what some camera makers do is define white as 1-3 stops below what the sensor can handle, and then when creating a Jpeg use a tonemap function to wrap overexposed values into the range limited by the white point, creating a smooth transition into blown highlights. This is very similar to slide film (but not negative film which is approximately logarithmic in its response).

    So if you have a raw developer software that can do the tonemapping trick - it's sometimes called highlight recovery - then you can underexpose in the camera, then overexpose in the raw developer and let the developer map the overexposed tones into a smooth transition.
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