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    Sigma DP2 Review

    A review by Ken Tanaka at The Online Photographer.

    "Few cameras have faced the great expectations that Sigma’s DP1, and now the DP2, compact cameras have faced. Sigma’s own marketing tag line certainly fuels these expectations: "A Full-Spec Compact Digital Camera With All The Power of DSLR." I never touched a DP1, turned away by widespread stories of poor usability. But I was eager to take a look at its successor, the DP2...."

    Full review here....

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Review

    Goodness! I could be wildly wrong here ... but I don't think the man likes it.

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    "After using the DP2 daily for over a week I found it to be a sluggish, noisy, unreliable, and generally charmless device which I ultimately decided to return for a refund. That’s the bottom line of my opinion."

    Echoes my own experience with the DP1! Good to know that nothing has changed at Sigma.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Review

    If you want a real review.... Check out the many good images from the
    Camera on this forum. The truth lay in the images, not in the camera.
    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    If you want a real review.... Check out the many good images from the
    Camera on this forum. The truth lay in the images, not in the camera.
    Don
    I haven't heard or seen anything to the contrary about the handling of this camera here either. From all accounts its still as unresponsive as DP1 and about the only surprise here is that they didn't even bother to replace the [email protected] battery with anything decent. I doubt that any of us here that didn't care for the dp1 are going to feel any different about dp2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    If you want a real review.... Check out the many good images from the
    Camera on this forum. The truth lay in the images, not in the camera.
    Don
    I totally agree with those sentiments, and not just regards the DP2 pix on this forum.
    I would defy anyone to look at the dozens of superb images on the Flickr Sigma DP2 group pool and not be convinced that they have come from a superb camera.

    http://www.flickr.com/groups/sigma-dp2/pool/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    "After using the DP2 daily for over a week I found it to be a sluggish, noisy, unreliable, and generally charmless device which I ultimately decided to return for a refund. That’s the bottom line of my opinion."

    Echoes my own experience with the DP1! Good to know that nothing has changed at Sigma.
    Oh yes. And your experience with the DP2?

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    Oh yes. And your experience with the DP2?
    I'll pass, thank you!

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    The DP2 needs 3 things to make it a great camera....
    1-A viewfinder
    2-Richards Grip
    3-A piece of rubber washer below the focus
    wheel for tension.
    Hmmm, same for the DP1.
    The DP's are not the only compacts that make
    good images, but in the hands of a good
    photographer, they will deliver superior
    quality to make great images.
    Am I biased... Darn right....

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    I'll pass, thank you!
    Very wise, if I may say so; for one of the things the dyspeptic reviewer omitted to mention is that the DP2, like the DP1, would be especially difficult to use for people wearing blinkers.
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    That was a pretty poor review in my opinion. Not that I disagree with what he writes, he seems to have uncovered some usability problems that exists for the DP1 as well. Nothing new here. He should however have tried a little harder to make use of the defining features of the camera which in my opinion are the sensor and a high quality lens on a pocket sized body. Looking around the web, it doesn’t take long to find some excellent pictures taken with both the DP1 and DP2, so for him not even trying to produce some magic with this camera is disappointing and I expected a lot more from TOP.

    On the other hand, I really wish Sigma would get their act together and improve on the LCD, AF, image processing speed etc. that is preventing this camera from being a greater success.

    -Thomas

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    I moved from the G9 to the Panny G1 because of the VF issue. It would keep me from trying the DP2 also--as well as the LX3 and the probable Oly m4/3rds offering.

    I added a terrific Voigtlander 35mm VF to the G9 but never got on with it (one still has to use LCD for many things)--and of course, it was pretty useless for zoom. I even had a turret VF--but still trying to focus in just normal light is very unpleasant for me.

    The DP2 appears to be able to take terrific photos--a lot less noise, the ability to use DOF creatively, very good color--and I'm also surprised Ken Tanaka didn't talk more about that. He's a very good photographer and likes small cams--but I think the Canon G's just have made it difficult for him to like small 'lighter' cameras and not willing to suffer some other things (slow to write, etc.) for the good photo quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hilld View Post
    Very wise, if I may say so; for one of the things the dyspeptic reviewer omitted to mention is that the DP2, like the DP1, would be especially difficult to use for people wearing blinkers.
    (insult removed out of respect for Guy & Jack!), I never understood morons (insult removed for same reason) who turn gear chit chat to personal insults!
    Last edited by ddk; 27th May 2009 at 11:45. Reason: see above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    (insult removed out of respect for Guy & Jack!), I never understood morons (insult removed for same reason) who turn gear chit chat to personal insults!
    And I never understood people who frequent forums related to cameras they don't own and have no actual experience with or interest in for the sole purpose of making constant, repetitive and insulting comments when they don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about. There is a definite difference between chit chat and abuse. We get it that you don't like the camera, over and over and over again. Point taken. So now why not stay out of the Sigma related forums, stop insulting those of us who like the camera, get on with your life and let us do the same!

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Review

    What Bill said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfanjpn View Post
    And I never understood people who frequent forums related to cameras they don't own and have no actual experience with or interest in for the sole purpose of making constant, repetitive and insulting comments when they don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about. There is a definite difference between chit chat and abuse. We get it that you don't like the camera, over and over and over again. Point taken. So now why not stay out of the Sigma related forums, stop insulting those of us who like the camera, get on with your life and let us do the same!

    Didn't know that responding to someone else's post and another's review constitutes personal insults to anyone here...

    A bit touchy today Bill? You might not like what I say but negative opinions have value for people looking for information too?
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    I have to say david that your posts here are putting the spotlight on you and not on the camera.

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    [QUOTE=ddk;103180]Didn't know that responding to someone else's post and another's review constitutes personal insults to anyone here...



    It's a very true saying that "an empty can makes the most noise"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    What Bill said!
    Wayne
    Thanks Wayne. I have to apologize to the other forum members for my little outburst. As much as I hate it when people badmouth (repeatedly) a piece of gear when they have absolutely no experience with it themselves, I hate it even more when I let them pull me down to their level. I'm using the Ignore List now so I can get back to enjoying the forum without the distraction of being constantly reminded of what a moron I am for liking such a horrible camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DP1er View Post
    It's a very true saying that "an empty can makes the most noise"
    Very nicely put, and welcome to the forum. It's always nice to have another DP1 user with us. I hope you'll be posting some pics soon.

    Bill

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    I've read so many negative comments, both here and on the Sigma forum at DPreview, that I'm surprised... surprised that I'm enjoying the DP2 so much. There's really nothing about the camera I don't like...

    Rubbish LCD? I just use it for framing, not reviewing, so I don't have a problem with it.

    Plasticky back buttons? Hadn't noticed.

    Toy-like quality? I think it's amazing that it's smaller than my G9 (which now feels like a DSLR to me) and takes such great photos. Its diminutive size also puts people's photo-fears at ease... making it much more of stealth camera.

    Freezing? My first one did and my second one doesn't and Sigma has released a quick firmware update (what do I care if "they had to" as some people claim?).

    Sluggish? I think contemplative. I have other cameras for faster shots... assuming I want to take them.

    I love the hot button that puts eight features just a press away. And the manual-focus magnification feature that I discovered yesterday.

    Could the camera be better? Sure... so can everything, including me.

    I've just added Richard's grip, a 3M Vikuiti ARMR200 screen protector is in the mail, along with a Markins quick-release plate so I can use it with my Markins ballhead, I'll probably buy a couple more batteries and maybe the VF-21 viewfinder just because it's so cute (and I have to accessorize somehow), and because in blinding light, when even my G9 LCD would be a white sheet, it might help me get a shot or two.

    But I'd like the camera even without these things... because of the images. I'm not being an apologist for the camera, or for my taste. I like it. And people who don't like it can not buy it and can just wait around for something that suits them. It's really that simple.

    Don
    Last edited by Don Ellis; 28th May 2009 at 03:14.

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    Don,

    Very nicely put. Although how you can defend such a terrible camera is beyond me!

    Sure am glad I bought one though, warts and all. One question, how do you like Richard's grip? I've been using mine in an Artisan&Artist leather case, which I really love both for it's looks and the improved grip it gives me on the camera. However, having to remove it every time I need to access the memory card or battery is starting to get a bit old. It seems like the grip might be a better way to go. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the grip after you've had a chance to use it a while. Thanks.

    Bill

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    Don,

    Very nicely put. Although how you can defend such a terrible camera is beyond me!
    Love responds to aura, not piddly details... because little details "that could be better" exist on all things and all people. I liked this camera from the moment I saw it -- although I was surprised at how small it was, which became another plus for it. Then I held it and liked it even more. The "always smile" photo of the three girls was taken with the camera at waist level with my thumb on the shutter, a technique I've been using since my Canon G1 in 2001 (and the reason I never bought that boxy G6).

    Sure am glad I bought one though, warts and all. One question, how do you like Richard's grip? I've been using mine in an Artisan&Artist leather case, which I really love both for it's looks and the improved grip it gives me on the camera. However, having to remove it every time I need to access the memory card or battery is starting to get a bit old. It seems like the grip might be a better way to go. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the grip after you've had a chance to use it a while. Thanks.
    Bill
    I'm a real fan of Richard's grips. I discovered his grip for the G9 about 18 months ago and liked it so much that I put a message with photos on DPreview:
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...hread=25596817

    So it was natural for me to get his grip for the DP2... and I can answer your questions now, because I had the grip before I had the first DP2 and it went on the day I bought it (and was pried off before I exchanged it for another DP2).

    I love it... I hate cases, no matter how nice they are, because they're fiddly. I want to reach into my camera bag and pull out a camera, ready to shoot. To that end, I've always carried my cameras sitting on the end away from my right hand (and shutter button) in a plastic Lock&Lock box (in a storm or water crossing, I can flip the camera on its back and lock down the lid to create a waterproof case, but that's not the main reason I use them).

    I just reach in and the grip is right there for me to grab. In the bottom of the small box, I have an extra memory card, an extra lens cap, and two extra batteries, all covered up by the DP2 soft pouch folded in half for padding and on top of that a couple of micro-fibre lens cloths for my filter and my own glasses. If I switch bags, I just grab the box and set it in.

    Another nice feature of Richard's DP1/DP2 grip is that it hides the bright white SIGMA logo.

    If I get some time, I'll take a photo of the box and what's in it. If I didn't use the box, however, I would still position the camera in a bag with the grip facing up.

    Also, I use a small tether for safety... I don't like neck or wrist cords.

    I would be surprised if you didn't like the grip. It certainly simplifies the shooting process and makes the camera feel much better.

    Cheers,
    Don
    Last edited by Don Ellis; 28th May 2009 at 06:24.

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    Bill,did you ever try the "thumbs up" on the DP2? For me it would be the ideal solution,thanks..........Neil.

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    I'd love to handle the DP2--I could probably live with everything but no VF is still my problem. The photos coming from it are just lovely--and what I would love from a small camera--and I'm nothing if I'm not a 'contemplative' shooter LOL.

    I followed the DP1 on another forum for a good while--thinking I would buy it to replace my G9. In the meantime, another camera got my attention and purchase because I had decided the DP1 wasn't the camera for me--yet. Perhaps I need to look into that VP-21 VF Don is buying LOL. I had thought the Hoodloupe might be the answer http://www.outbackphoto.com/CONTENT_...der/index.html but now I realize that the DP2 has a 2.5" LCD so don't think this would be a great solution.

    I'll keep on watching here. Later this year I might be interested in a small cam again--as I find myself liking to work with small cams more and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    I'd love to handle the DP2--I could probably live with everything but no VF is still my problem. The photos coming from it are just lovely--and what I would love from a small camera--and I'm nothing if I'm not a 'contemplative' shooter LOL.

    I followed the DP1 on another forum for a good while--thinking I would buy it to replace my G9. In the meantime, another camera got my attention and purchase because I had decided the DP1 wasn't the camera for me--yet. Perhaps I need to look into that VP-21 VF Don is buying LOL. I had thought the Hoodloupe might be the answer http://www.outbackphoto.com/CONTENT_...der/index.html but now I realize that the DP2 has a 2.5" LCD so don't think this would be a great solution.

    I'll keep on watching here. Later this year I might be interested in a small cam again--as I find myself liking to work with small cams more and more.

    Diane
    Hi Diane... I looked at the HoodLoupe and decided that it would be a gigantic nuisance for me, even if there were one for 2.5-inch viewfinders. Having that thing swinging around my neck and having to bring it up every time...despite its obvious benefits once it was in place... made me dismiss it (without ever trying it, of course). But as you said... it's for 3-inch LCDs.

    A week after I got my DP2, a camera enthusiast at work picked up his... and bought the VF-21 the same evening. It is brilliant... as you know, I'm used to shooting with the LCD, but this thing is too cool. Bright, beautiful frame lines, and tiny. It really does go with the look of the camera and until you see it in person, you have no idea how small it is. Also works with my glasses, so no problem there.

    I have no doubt that I'll buy it... and let you know after I use it for awhile.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post
    Bill,did you ever try the "thumbs up" on the DP2? For me it would be the ideal solution,thanks..........Neil.
    Neil, I seem to have misplaced the darn thing! I thought I knew right where it was, but when I went to get it out, it wasn't there. I'm afraid this is not at all unusual for me, but hopefully it will surface sooner or later. Thanks for reminding me about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Ellis View Post
    I would be surprised if you didn't like the grip. It certainly simplifies the shooting process and makes the camera feel much better.
    Don, you have talked me into it. Now all I have to do is figure where to get one.

    By the way, I only just now realized that you are THE Don Ellis, of Kleptography fame! It's an honor to be sharing a forum with you. I'll be looking forward to seeing a DP2 section on your website.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Review

    Mike Johnston has written a follow-up post to Ken Tanaka's DP2 review that cuts straight to the core of all the controversy about the camera:
    So which would you rather have: a beautifully built, ergonomically perfect camera that gives you so-so image quality at best, or a hunk of antediluvian junk held together with baling wire and chewing gum that yields image quality that's really outstanding? Given that choice—putting it that way—in my view it's not even a question; the conclusion's foregone.

    The DP2 seems to do some things wrong, but the really important things right. As I read more and more about it, and see more results from it, the more the feeling sneaks up on me that I could do good things with it.
    His entire post provides a truly effective counter-argument to the kind of pointless negativity that we've seen in this thread.
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    DP1 & DP2
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Review

    retow,
    welcome aboard...your safe here with the DP cameras....
    nice images by the way....the 2nd one is funny but her skin tone is great....oh that's right....DP cameras.......forgot...
    shooter...aka Don

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    Don, you have talked me into it. Now all I have to do is figure where to get one.
    Remember the old ad about Remington, where Victor Kiam said: "I liked it so much, I bought the company." Well, I didn't go that far, but I liked Richard's grip so much that I put up a webpage for him. You can only buy direct from him, or through Lensmate, and I didn't post the address because I didn't want to advertise it in this forum... but since you asked: www.kleptography.com/rf

    By the way, I only just now realized that you are THE Don Ellis, of Kleptography fame! It's an honor to be sharing a forum with you. I'll be looking forward to seeing a DP2 section on your website.
    Bill
    Oh, "THE" is so much nicer than "Mr."... and helps to differentiate me from the other five thousand Don Ellises out there. (It took me ten years to rise to near the top of Google listings because of Don Ellis the jazz trumpeter... but he's gone and I'm still around and that helps a little.)

    Thank you for the kind words. I'll see what I can do about updating... that's been an ongoing challenge, but I'll try. One of the reasons it's been good to find GetDPI is that I can easily post something, rather than going through the coding of posting on my own site.

    Cheers,
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    retow,
    welcome aboard...your safe here with the DP cameras....
    nice images by the way....the 2nd one is funny but her skin tone is great....oh that's right....DP cameras.......forgot...
    shooter...aka Don
    Don,
    Thanks for the nice welcome. My first trys with silver efex pro. In the second one, I believe they just had an argument. Capturing the moment with a sluggish DP....
    Reto

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Ellis View Post
    ...A week after I got my DP2, a camera enthusiast at work picked up his... and bought the VF-21 the same evening. It is brilliant... as you know, I'm used to shooting with the LCD, but this thing is too cool. Bright, beautiful frame lines, and tiny. It really does go with the look of the camera and until you see it in person, you have no idea how small it is. Also works with my glasses, so no problem there...
    Please excuse my ignorance but is there some sort of focusing device with this viewfinder? Just curious.

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    Please excuse my ignorance but is there some sort of focusing device with this viewfinder? Just curious.
    Definitely no focusing device... it's simply a small window on the world, with frame lines.

    My friend was complaining about the wrong things being in focus. After chatting, we figure out it because he thought that evaluative light metering was somehow evaluative focusing.

    Once I mentioned that he simply needed to put whatever he wanted in focus in the middle of the viewfinder, half-depress the shutter to lock focus, and then reframe before pressing the shutter, he was fine. In fact, he sent me a few photos this morning that were very precise focus -- all taken with the viewfinder.

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    ...Once I mentioned that he simply needed to put whatever he wanted in focus in the middle of the viewfinder, half-depress the shutter to lock focus, and then reframe before pressing the shutter, he was fine. In fact, he sent me a few photos this morning that were very precise focus -- all taken with the viewfinder.
    OK i wondered if using the LCD is mandatory to focus accurately with this little beast. So i take it that there are no focusing problems for non-chimping photogs thanks.

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    OK i wondered if using the LCD is mandatory to focus accurately with this little beast. So i take it that there are no focusing problems for non-chimping photogs thanks.
    I'll do some more testing for you in the next few days... I just bought the VF-21 this evening.

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    Sticking my nose in here again, but first of all, I like the look of it on the DP2--as I did the Voigtlander on my G9. One thing comes to mind as Don mentions framing and focusing. Had i used my G9 at only 35mm, I think the external VF would have been just fine. Since the DP2 is a fixed FL--I would think this would be just very good. The Voigtlander has lines that help in correcting for parallax error--that was helpful too. The one thing I would imagine that is better with the dedicated Sigma is that the frame lines will correlate with the actual composition--whereas my Voigtlander's framelines were for 3:2 and the G9 is a 4:3 format so I had to take that into consideration as well as parallax error when composing.

    Waiting to see how Don likes the VF and for some photos of it on the DP2.

    Diane

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    I'll do some more testing for you in the next few days... I just bought the VF-21 this evening.

    Don
    Congrats on getting the finder. Looking forward to hearing what you think of it.

    Bill

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    Diane and Bill,

    I got everything today:

    Markins P26U Universal Quick-Release Plate -- it may not be an L-bracket, but it's as great as it gets at the moment. Very small, adjustable enough that you can fix it so that the battery door opens without having to remove it (while still remaining centered on the lens barrel), and the logo is small and now hidden underneath to the side.

    Sigma VF-21: It's a jewel... very tiny and quite beautiful and the frame lines are very bright and quite accurate at first glance (and why wouldn't they be; it was designed for the camera). As I said, I'll do some testing over the weekend.

    Extra Battery: bringing my total to four. I had planned on having five but after paying for everything else, and realizing that the VF-21 may cause me to turn off the LCD occasionally, I settled for four for the moment (the batteries really do run down quickly).

    46mm Hoya UV Filter: I had been testing an old 49mm from my Canon G1/G2 with a step-up ring and like it... so I bought the right size, plus two lens caps.

    Vikuiti ARMR200 Screen Protector from 3M: Went on well, even with me doing the affixing, and is a matte finish. Looks good and feels good.

    Lens Hood and Adapter: I didn't need the extra lens hood, but I did want the adapter to screw onto my macro filter so I can just bayonet it on, rather than having to remove my 46mm UV filter and screw on the 46-49mm step-up ring plus macro filter.

    All of the this caused me to break out the table-top tripod and the monopod this evening just for the pleasure of snapping my new Markins plate to my old Markins ballhead (on the tripod) and Markins QR clamp (on the monopod). Very nice... I was getting tired of screwing the camera on and off a normal ballhead.

    And that's it for the moment, except to say good night. Testing of everything in the next few days. Sorry for the wait. Weather is still grim, by the way.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    The one thing I would imagine that is better with the dedicated Sigma is that the frame lines will correlate with the actual composition--whereas my Voigtlander's framelines were for 3:2 and the G9 is a 4:3 format so I had to take that into consideration as well as parallax error when composing.
    FYI, Ricoh makes finders with 21/28mm framelines in the 4:3 format.

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    Thanks, Audii-Dudii--but the G9 is 35mm (35-210mm). I really like the Voigtlander--beautifully big and bright--and I just adjusted my thinking to using the top frame line for composition and getting used to where it ended below the bottom frame line--worked pretty well. The issue, again, was that the G9 isn't a fixed FL so it really inhibited the use unless you chose to make it fixed. I also found with a WA converter that I could use the full view outside the frame lines and compose pretty well.

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    From the other Don,
    The VF21 is a good finder. Bright, contrasty and small.
    The framelines are easy to see in any light.
    The accuracy is, it sees somewhat more on the sides than the
    top to bottom. Very easy to adjust your vision.
    The parallax is mor accurate than any of my
    Leica finders.
    I could never use the camera without it.
    Shooter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Ellis View Post
    Diane and Bill,

    I got everything today:

    Markins P26U Universal Quick-Release Plate -- it may not be an L-bracket, but it's as great as it gets at the moment. Very small, adjustable enough that you can fix it so that the battery door opens without having to remove it (while still remaining centered on the lens barrel), and the logo is small and now hidden underneath to the side.

    Sigma VF-21: It's a jewel... very tiny and quite beautiful and the frame lines are very bright and quite accurate at first glance (and why wouldn't they be; it was designed for the camera). As I said, I'll do some testing over the weekend.

    Extra Battery: bringing my total to four. I had planned on having five but after paying for everything else, and realizing that the VF-21 may cause me to turn off the LCD occasionally, I settled for four for the moment (the batteries really do run down quickly).

    46mm Hoya UV Filter: I had been testing an old 49mm from my Canon G1/G2 with a step-up ring and like it... so I bought the right size, plus two lens caps.

    Vikuiti ARMR200 Screen Protector from 3M: Went on well, even with me doing the affixing, and is a matte finish. Looks good and feels good.

    Lens Hood and Adapter: I didn't need the extra lens hood, but I did want the adapter to screw onto my macro filter so I can just bayonet it on, rather than having to remove my 46mm UV filter and screw on the 46-49mm step-up ring plus macro filter.

    All of the this caused me to break out the table-top tripod and the monopod this evening just for the pleasure of snapping my new Markins plate to my old Markins ballhead (on the tripod) and Markins QR clamp (on the monopod). Very nice... I was getting tired of screwing the camera on and off a normal ballhead.

    And that's it for the moment, except to say good night. Testing of everything in the next few days. Sorry for the wait. Weather is still grim, by the way.

    Don
    Don,

    It sounds like you made a salesman somewhere very happy. And you seem to be having a good time with that new camera too.

    I'm afraid you have now got me interested in the VF-21. I've been using a Voigtlander 40mm finder, and it works quite well, but it is really big. It's easy to see through, and gets the job done, but I would like something that doesn't stand out so much from the camera. If I make it out of the house this weekend, I'll go take a look at it. And I'll thank you in advance for making me spend even more money in the camera store!

    As good as the DP2 is, it does seem to move up to an even higher level when used on a tripod. I rarely use a tripod myself, even though I probably need one more than most people, but I did just buy a new Benro A-350EX tripod and I have a Manfotto head on it (I forgot the model number - have to look that up). I really got it to use with the Hasselblad, but so far it has been sitting here with the G1 on it, and neither of them are getting any use. One of these days though!

    I will be looking forward to hearing more about the VF-21. Hopefully you'll hate it and I won't have to go out and get one. Or you can send me yours to save room in your bag.

    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetshooter View Post
    From the other Don,
    The VF21 is a good finder. Bright, contrasty and small.
    The framelines are easy to see in any light.
    The accuracy is, it sees somewhat more on the sides than the
    top to bottom. Very easy to adjust your vision.
    The parallax is mor accurate than any of my
    Leica finders.
    I could never use the camera without it.
    Shooter
    You guys are really not helping here! One more glowing comment and I'm not going to have any choice but to go out and buy that darn finder! Good thing it's raining today, or I'd probably be heading out the door right now (oh wait, it's only 6 AM, OK as soon as the stores open). Oh well, I do need to buy myself a BD present, as if two new cameras wasn't enough.

    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon Delacour View Post
    Mike Johnston has written a follow-up post to Ken Tanaka's DP2 review that cuts straight to the core of all the controversy about the camera:
    So which would you rather have: a beautifully built, ergonomically perfect camera that gives you so-so image quality at best, or a hunk of antediluvian junk held together with baling wire and chewing gum that yields image quality that's really outstanding? Given that choice—putting it that way—in my view it's not even a question; the conclusion's foregone.

    The DP2 seems to do some things wrong, but the really important things right. As I read more and more about it, and see more results from it, the more the feeling sneaks up on me that I could do good things with it.
    His entire post provides a truly effective counter-argument to the kind of pointless negativity that we've seen in this thread.
    Bravo! The images I am seeing from this 'beast' are awesome.
    Enough so that I am very much tempted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    Bravo! The images I am seeing from this 'beast' are awesome.
    Enough so that I am very much tempted
    Lili, remember what Oscar Wilde said, the only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it.

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    Lili, remember what Oscar Wilde said, the only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it.

    Bill
    Or, to quote Mae West;
    "I can resist anything but temptation"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    Or, to quote Mae West;
    "I can resist anything but temptation"
    Sounds like a done deal to me. Get out there and spend some money!

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    Don,

    It sounds like you made a salesman somewhere very happy. And you seem to be having a good time with that new camera too.
    That would be the Poonster with the big smile (and I don’t know why adding “-ster” to names makes them so amusing).

    So goes another US$250 on this little camera, bringing the total to US$1150. And I don’t mind… especially since I don’t have to buy a ballhead, tripod, tabletop tripod, monopod, and half a dozen macro filters for it. Oh, and Richard sent me a prototype remote cable release and I have the coolest cable release on the planet, so I’m set for that, as well. I may actually be done buying for this camera… is that possible?

    I'm afraid you have now got me interested in the VF-21. And I'll thank you in advance for making me spend even more money in the camera store!
    So says the man whose photos helped start my ball rolling.

    As good as the DP2 is, it does seem to move up to an even higher level when used on a tripod.
    I think so (although I haven’t done much with it yet). Of course, that’s probably true of any camera, but the contemplative nature of DP2 shots makes it an even more likely candidate. I must say, though, that “contemplate” can too often be used as a synonym for “slow” – and when the camera is set up right, that’s not true. So I’m more inclined to link “contemplative” with “color depth” and “image results” than speed of the camera.

    I did do a thread on my small tabletop tripod on DPreview in November 2007 which still holds true. The next-to-the-last photo is probably the most useful way to use it (against a wall or tree or stable friend):
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...8&changemode=1

    I will be looking forward to hearing more about the VF-21. Hopefully you'll hate it and I won't have to go out and get one. Or you can send me yours to save room in your bag.
    Now you just know that’s the first thing I thought of… it might even make up for making you buy Richard’s grip. You do have it installed now, right?

    Don

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