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    Ricoh GRD III is officially revealed

    The UK website Amateur Photographer apparently has an exclusive revelation of the Ricoh GRD III

    http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...ws_286784.html

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    Everything sounds good I'm looking forward to its release, just hoping that they've improved the af system in this model, otherwise I'm passing if its the same as GRD2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddk View Post
    Everything sounds good I'm looking forward to its release, just hoping that they've improved the af system in this model, otherwise I'm passing if its the same as GRD2.
    This reported feature, might help..

    "Also key to the new camera is the ability to set a fixed focusing distance. This feature enables 'zero' shutter lag - ideal for 'candid' photography when fast reactions are required, explained Kazunobu Saiki"

    If you can set the fixed focusing distance based on the hyperfocal distance of f1.9 for infinity, then this would take focusing at all out of the process. All you'd have to do is take photos based on more than the minimum distance and snap away.

    I'll be hoping that IQ is up a bit. Its likely that a GRD III is in my future as I have results that I am quite happy with from my GRD II.

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    This reported feature, might help..

    "Also key to the new camera is the ability to set a fixed focusing distance. This feature enables 'zero' shutter lag - ideal for 'candid' photography when fast reactions are required, explained Kazunobu Saiki"

    If you can set the fixed focusing distance based on the hyperfocal distance of f1.9 for infinity, then this would take focusing at all out of the process. All you'd have to do is take photos based on more than the minimum distance and snap away.

    I'll be hoping that IQ is up a bit. Its likely that a GRD III is in my future as I have results that I am quite happy with from my GRD II.
    Hyperfocal photography is fine for certain times and this feature is a great addition but its not a cure for a poor af system. I know from experience that I want accurate and fast af in these small cameras, hence I still use my GRD1 regularly while the GRD2 is sitting on the shelf collecting dust for the most part.

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    Does this mean its a 28mm or a 35mm lens or is it a typo?
    "'fast' 28mm [35mm viewing angle equivalent] f/1.9 lens. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by nei1 View Post
    Does this mean its a 28mm or a 35mm lens or is it a typo?
    "'fast' 28mm [35mm viewing angle equivalent] f/1.9 lens. "
    Its badly written isn't it, abbreviated for a news item I suspect..

    I read it to mean, its a 6mm lens but due to the sensor size that then equates to the angle of view of a 28mm lens as used on a "35mm film type camera".

    28mm (as in 35mm film) is 75 degrees on the diagonal

    Hope thats as clear as mud

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    Re: Ricoh GRD III is officially revealed

    Only japanese site found.

    - CCD size is just a bit larger. 1/1.75 -> 1/1.7
    - Dimension larger
    - 2.7" LCD -> 3" LCD
    - F2.4 -> F1.9
    - same 640 x 480 AVI movie resoluation, disappointed
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    http://www.ricoh.co.jp/dc/gr/digital3/
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    Trying to go through the Japanese page, but it's slow going.

    They say they've increased the AF speed quite a bit, and they say it's a lot better in low light. AF starts at a half press.

    The fixed focal thing is actually kind of cool. You can set it at 1m, 2.5m, 5m or infinity. If you press the shutter button all at once, it will shoot at that set focal distance immediately. Allowing you to catch the moment so to speak.

    So basically you can shoot using AF with a half button press on the shutter, or shoot prefocused by a quick full button press.
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    It also sounds like they have a mode where AF is active (or at least part of the system) which even a half press on the shutter. Seems like it's some implementation of continous focus for moving subjects. It does say it drains power faster with it on.

    Looks like my settings have been upgraded too. Now you can store 6 my settings and pick which three are assigned to the my settings. Very cool. Love the second function button.
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    Looks like there are some rather nice additions, but the faster lens is the big one for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Its badly written isn't it, abbreviated for a news item I suspect..

    I read it to mean, its a 6mm lens but due to the sensor size that then equates to the angle of view of a 28mm lens as used on a "35mm film type camera".

    28mm (as in 35mm film) is 75 degrees on the diagonal

    Hope thats as clear as mud
    thanks Tim,I thought as much;...........just a veign hope that it was to be a 35mm lens.

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    From Ricoh's global website: http://www.ricoh.com/r_dc/gr/gr_digital3/

    The manual is not online at Ricoh's website, yet.

    Also, not that it necessary means anything, but Ricoh's corp profits are off by something like 97%.



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    There's already a review on my favorite spanish website. I don't know how they do it but they always get their hands on the new stuff before it hits the market.

    http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/r...s-video,1_5503

    Their review is very positive but they say noise is still a problem after iso 400 :-(

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    I don't know how they do it, either. I'm in Japan, checked the Ricoh website this afternoon -- nothing. Checked it again at 7:30pm -- it's there!

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    It was the same with the D90 and the E-P1. Before it was even availble they had already reviewed it. And I can assure you this website is trust worthy.

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    They are quick responding to the press releases... The ones we dont see of course.
    heres the link to the ricoh global site, you can download a brochure too
    http://www.ricoh.com/r_dc/gr/gr_digital3/
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    Email already off to Tony and Alex at Popflash asking when they will be having then and are they making a list.

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    Re: Ricoh GRD III is officially revealed

    Dpreview News Link Here

    Hi There
    nice additions, but although they say the sensor is larger, the change from 1/1.75" to 1/1.7" isn't going to make that much difference I'd say!

    Faster lens is good though.

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    Uses a DB-65 battery!!! The GRD and GRDII use a DB-60.

    Has pre focus, Ricoh's version of auto tracking, works without depressing the shutter release.

    Also has the ability for the user to preset a focus distance (1.5m, 3m, snapshot, infinity ...) so when you quickly hit the shutter release the camera does not auto focus, instead it immediately takes a pic at the preset distance.

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    Re: Ricoh GRD III is officially revealed

    looks like someone has posted some sample photos and reviews. It's in chinese. Sorry.

    here is the link:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/euyoung/

    http://tw.grfan.net/showthread.php?p=67684#post67684/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxide Blu View Post
    Uses a DB-65 battery!!! The GRD and GRDII use a DB-60.
    It also works with the DB-60 battery and uses the same charger so not a big problem. The DB-65 even fits in the GRD I and II, as far as I can tell it has a higher capacity than the DB-60.

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    Re: Ricoh GRD III is officially revealed

    Popflash expects them to arrive late August and are starting a notification list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirV View Post
    It also works with the DB-60 battery and uses the same charger so not a big problem. The DB-65 even fits in the GRD I and II, as far as I can tell it has a higher capacity than the DB-60.
    Interesting, both the bit about a higher capacity battery working in the GRD and the new model itself......

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    Will that flash work for the GX100 too? Hope so!
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    Email already off to Tony and Alex at Popflash asking when they will be having then and are they making a list.
    John, do you think you'll be buying one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollobarca View Post
    Will that flash work for the GX100 too? Hope so!

    I see no reason why it shouldn't but the GX cameras don't have the TTL connection in the hotshoe.

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    I see no reason why it shouldn't ...

    I am trying to get hands on one now but I am also keeping in the back of my mind that Ricoh is all but bankrupt at this point. Their future is darker than bleak. This may be a camera with little if any future support; or it may be a division of Ricoh that gets bought out; or it may be that Ricoh secures some kind of financing and business continues as usual.

    Ricoh's sales are off by something like 94%. Ricoh's digital camera division is down 14%, starting the new fiscal year (April 1st) with an operating profit of only €2.4-million. Is that even enough to launch a new camera? Everyone I know that does compact camera photography in Japan mentions this. They are not optimistic about Ricoh's future. Ricoh is a multi-$billion corp -- maybe too big to fail?

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    I'm more worried , at this time, about my possibilty to earn any money to buy a camera...
    For sure Ricoh or the trade name purchaser , will be around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirV View Post
    I see no reason why it shouldn't but the GX cameras don't have the TTL connection in the hotshoe.
    Well that means I keep on using my Oly FL40 flash in manual.
    But surely they could run a cable into the usb port and with some firmware make a TTL flash? Maybe it would cost more to develop than sales would justify. After all a flash on the gx100 wouldnt get much use.Its not that sort of camera. But a dedicated flash like the Fl40 with my c5050z can be really handy at times. At the company Xmas party over 400 photos taken and the fl40 was going great (one battery change), camera ,c5050,got a bit hot too (one battery change). I wouldnt like to try that with the little GX100 internal flash, mainly because of the batteries. But the camera also gets hot and the internal flash too.
    They are small pieces of gear compared to the Oly flash and camera.
    In fact the oly flash ,with my Gx100 , I connect up with a cable and bracket.
    Its too big to put directly on the hot shoe safely.
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    Re: Ricoh GRD III is officially revealed

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    John, do you think you'll be buying one?
    Yes, I have the GR-DII and the 1.9 lens makes it a winner for me. I'm on the list...

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    It also has a 960,000 dot LCD!

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    I wonder if they have dumped the piggy backed JPEG with the DNR and just delivery the DNR only.

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    I think it looks great.

    There is a video on that excellent spanish site quesabesde.com .

    http://www.quesabesde.com/camaras-di...deos,4383.html

    One thing I noticed is the lens protrudes a little bit more than on the old GRDs. Shouldn't really make a difference though.

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    Is the GRD2 (and hence maybe GRD3) totally silent? One thing I like about the DLux4 is that you can turn off beeps and shutter and it is basically silent while shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    Is the GRD2 (and hence maybe GRD3) totally silent? One thing I like about the DLux4 is that you can turn off beeps and shutter and it is basically silent while shooting.
    Very silent I'd say - it's made on purpose to look inconspicuous (you can even switch off the light on the ON button). AF and turning on the camera makes some noise (more in GRDI), but you can shoot snap, or MF - and the GRDIII solution with AF + 3 distances seems like a great idea.

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    I wonder if they have dumped the piggy backed JPEG with the DNR and just delivery the DNR only.
    No, this is still there but I don't quite understand the cals for RAW only, I would not want it and don't see the point in throwing away the JPG data. If nothing else I wat to see how the image looks in b&w or with a certain white balance or other adjustments I make. RAW is nice for backup and for developing if quality is necessary but otherwise the JPGs should be used (and should be good enough to be used) in my opinion.
    RAW only makes one too sloppy and means you don't need to care about exposure, white balance or even composition because all can be fixed in RAW. A good JPG is not far behind a RAW file in my opinion but a RAW file can be easier salvaged if one is sloppy (as I am when using the GRD II with the useless JPGs).

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    No, this is still there but I don't quite understand the cals for RAW only, I would not want it and don't see the point in throwing away the JPG data. If nothing else I wat to see how the image looks in b&w or with a certain white balance or other adjustments I make. RAW is nice for backup and for developing if quality is necessary but otherwise the JPGs should be used (and should be good enough to be used) in my opinion.
    RAW only makes one too sloppy and means you don't need to care about exposure, white balance or even composition because all can be fixed in RAW. A good JPG is not far behind a RAW file in my opinion but a RAW file can be easier salvaged if one is sloppy (as I am when using the GRD II with the useless JPGs).
    While I agree with the first two sentences, I think the rest of what you say depends very much on what you want to do. E.g. recently I'm finding it pleasing to re-map the grey levels of the standard raw conversion - taking 60% grey to 40% grey (rougly), and so on. I'm finding a non-linear interpretation more pleasing. Doing this with jpeg would degrade the quality a lot more than with raw.

    Regardless, in my personal opinion getting acquainted with raw conversion is a good thing, because you can get a feeling as to the information that the camera ACTUALLY records (or as close as possible to that).

    >>RAW only makes one too sloppy and means you don't need to care about >>exposure, white balance or even composition because all can be fixed in >>RAW

    I've found going back to medium format film a very rewarding exercise, and here you make a good case for doing this.

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    Raw let's me control the image not some in camera algorhytm. Shooting JPEG's is like have film processed at the drugstore.

    I want the image to look like what my vision of it is not an in camera shooting style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    Shooting JPEG's is like have film processed at the drugstore.
    That is probably preferable to having drugs processed at the film store though.

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    Raw let's me control the image not some in camera algorhytm.
    It is infinitely more difficult and would require a crap load of user input and choices to display a RAW file on the camera's playback LCD, hence the creation a JPEG, be it as an embedded thumb nail or as an associated file with the flexibility of additional uses, like printing directly from the camera to a printer without a computer between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollobarca View Post
    Will that flash work for the GX100 too? Hope so!

    Probably not. Ricoh's website is saying the GF-1 flash is only supported on the GRDiii, and for flash units for the GRDii and GX200 see the recommendations in the manuals (Sigma is recommended).

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    This is interesting, the GRD3 has 4-times the shutter lag of the GRD2:

    Shutter release time lag (from the focus lock):

    GX200 -- Approx. 0.011 sec.

    .GRDII -- Approx. 0.007 sec.

    GRDIII -- Approx. 0.030 sec.

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    Raw let's me control the image not some in camera algorhytm. Shooting JPEG's is like have film processed at the drugstore.

    I want the image to look like what my vision of it is not an in camera shooting style.
    This is true and you are right but what I wanted to say is that not every picture will be worth spending time to process it so having good JPGs is important and having JPGs to see how a picture would look in b&w, sepia or with a different color filter is a helpful starting point for any RAW processing (IMO). You don't have to use the JPG but you can use it if you want, the RAW file will always be there in case you want to process it and get more out of it.

    This is why I don't understand why people would choose to shoot only RAW, especially if there is really no gain by doing it.

    If I shoot only to develop a RAW file I am more sloppy and don't care too much about the WB, getting the exposure right because it can be done in photoshop later. This is fine but I tend to get better results if I shoot to get the image right in the JPGs instead of relying on RAW to fix things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirV View Post
    RAW only makes one too sloppy and means you don't need to care about exposure, white balance or even composition because all can be fixed in RAW. A good JPG is not far behind a RAW file in my opinion but a RAW file can be easier salvaged if one is sloppy (as I am when using the GRD II with the useless JPGs).
    I agree here. If you are interested in IQ, which I think we all are, then you get the best out of a RAW buy exposing it as best you can from the start within the parameters of the camera.

    I generally use the out of camera jpg IF its good enough, but this is quite subjective - each to their own judgement I believe, there is no right or wrong answer I think, if you have the time to process all RAWs, and want to, go for it I say, but I don't have time so often the jpg suffices.

    Often my image is for postcard print only, and the jpg will suffice and I can spend time taking images. I do always record RAW as well though (space is cheap), because you never know when you might get a cracker of an image and wish to PP for best and biggest - this has happened often lately. My GRD II and LX3 have yielded some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnastovall View Post
    Yes, I have the GR-DII and the 1.9 lens makes it a winner for me. I'm on the list...
    John, I agree 100%, that 1.9 lens makes it too hard to pass up - its what 1/2 stop brighter? There are so many incremental improvements but keeping the same winning formula that I will be in for one too. My GRD II has yielded too many good images. I will however be keeping my GRD II.

    I'm keen to see some RAW files - or some other full size sample jpgs other than Ricoh's own samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    John, I agree 100%, that 1.9 lens makes it too hard to pass up - its what 1/2 stop brighter? There are so many incremental improvements but keeping the same winning formula that I will be in for one too. My GRD II has yielded too many good images. I will however be keeping my GRD II.

    I'm keen to see some RAW files - or some other full size sample jpgs other than Ricoh's own samples.
    Same here, I'll be keeping the GR-DII.

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